Geforce GTX460: Overclocking and 3DMark results

[Johnny87au]

we need SLI results.. 460 1gb's in SLI.. see how it compares with the 5970 and its big brother the 470

[Ket]

Where is the price like that. Thats an abnormally low cost for a 5970 and an abnormally high cost for a gtx 460.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/produc...=56&subid=1830

Here a 1gb gtx cost 180 or 360 pounds for two vs 520 pounds for a 5970.

With only a ten percent performance delta, it doesn't justify anything greater than 100 pounds in price difference.

Google shopping;

Cheapest respectable brand 460 1GB; £187x2 = £374

Cheapest respectable brand 5970; £476

Remember, its TWO 460 1GB cards that come close to matching the performance of one 5970. In this scenario I'd much rather spend +£100, get the 5970 and OC that.

[Krizby87]

what the heck, a hd 5970 is just two 5870 slapped together therefore subjected to any weakness inherent to sli/crossfire so what is wrong with 2x 460 GTX sli (if your motherboard supports sli) that offer the same performance, but if you have plenty money though whichever floats your boat is fine i guess, for others though the 100 quid difference could afford another improvement to your system such as an intel SSD or better sound card

[Ket]

FPS is king. You go look at a 5970 review where they OC it then compare it to your precious 460s your trying desperately hard to defend. Raw numbers speak volumes, the 460s are good performers at their price, but a 5970 they are not.

[cowie]

i guess some of you guys are right the 460's did lead to price drops.....on the 470's lol
299-330 will get you one now before the weekend they were $330-350.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127501

only if the 480's would lower to around $430 or so.
*edit checking the 480 prices they are dropping too!!
$460ish before $20 mir(alot of brands)

looks like nv has tightened up the $200ish and $300ish market.

[cegras]

I think there is also the issue of comparing graphics CARDS, not # of GPUs. I know a ton of people will jump on this so-called logical fallacy, but I see nothing wrong with comparing the performance of a graphics card that fits into ONE PCI-E slot. This is why the 5970 is still the best graphics CARD.

[GoldenTiger]

I think there is also the issue of comparing graphics CARDS, not # of GPUs. I know a ton of people will jump on this so-called logical fallacy, but I see nothing wrong with comparing the performance of a graphics card that fits into ONE PCI-E slot. This is why the 5970 is still the best graphics CARD.

Best???? It's about as fast as a pair of GTX 460 1GB's which are two GPU's still just like the 5970 (2x GPU), yet costs 50% more. Where's the good in that?

[Manicdan]

Best???? It's about as fast as a pair of GTX 460 1GB's which are two GPU's still just like the 5970 (2x GPU), yet costs 50% more. Where's the good in that?

it comes in one box, thus marketing says "we have the most powerful PCIe card"

[Krizby87]

well I own neither of the card so i'm not defending anything, just stating my opinion, and don't assume that i'm a fanboy just because you are.

if you are talking about oc performance then 2x460gtx 1GB oced would still match hd 5970 oced. of course the 5970 is skill the king of single card but as an perf/price solution it is not.

[xdan]

I think there is also the issue of comparing graphics CARDS, not # of GPUs. I know a ton of people will jump
on this so-called logical fallacy,
but I see nothing wrong with comparing the performance of a graphics card that fits into ONE PCI-E slot.
This is why the 5970 is still the best graphics CARD.

And i see nothing better than a videocard that fit in every case. 5970 don't fit or barely fit in many cases.
And for 250$ you can buy a good case, a good cooler, a good Psu and may be even a HDD.
You people don't learn anything from the economic crysis, why to spend so much more money for almost nothing more ?
( two Palit Platinium at 800/1600/4000 are i think equal to 5970 ).
More to this Nvidia will launch dual GF 104 card in this summer so buying now a 5970 is like throwing to garbage 250$.
Also 2 GTX 460 are easy to sell everytime you want, one by time, 5970 is more expensive is harder to sell again.
From two GTX 460 will be more easy to upgrade in the future.
And look at this, GTX 460's can do 950 core, 4600memory> with a little voltage posiible to done on the majority of GTX 460s.

[GoldenTiger]

Impressive picture Xdan, I'll be happy as a pig if I can get my 1GB SLI GTX 460 setup to run at those speeds .

[Manicdan]

And i see nothing better than a videocard that fit in every case. 5970 don't fit or barely fit in many cases.
And for 250$ you can buy a good case, a good cooler, a good Psu and may be even a HDD. You people don't learn anything from the economic crysis, why to spend so much more money for almost nothing more ?( two Palit Platinium at 800/1600/4000 are i think equal to 5970 ). More to this Nvidia will launch dual GF 104 card in this summer so buying now a 5970 is like throwing to garbage. 250$. Also 2 GTX 460 are easy to sell everytime you want, one by time, 5970 is more expensive is harder to sell gain. From two GTX 460 will be more easy to upgrade in the future.
And look at this, GTX 460's can do 950 core, 4600memory> with a little voltage posiible to done on the majority of GTX 460s.

your right, thats why im happy with my 4850 xfire, less than 200$ and i play every game i own at 1920x1200, high details, 16xAF and 2-4xAA

no point upgrading, dx11 only applies to a few titles sofar and not worth getting new hardware for.

however, what about 5850xfire vs 460sli? both OCed using stock cooling should provide very similar price/perf ratios

[SoF]

hmmmm still not sure my 465 or 460 is the real price/performance king. need to team them up for F@H after summer and compare

[xVeinx]

hmmmm still not sure my 465 or 460 is the real price/performance king. need to team them up for F@H after summer and compare

The 465 will not win in power consumption, but will likely win in terms of PPD due to a more efficient architecture. It depends on the implementation of course, but I'd wager the current WU's aren't optimized well enough for the 460's slightly different arch.

[xdan]

Impressive picture Xdan, I'll be happy as a pig if I can get my 1GB SLI GTX 460 setup to run at those speeds .

That model is Sparkle reference (not mine pic from lab501). Also it might be that Palit/Gainward custom cards are a little warm than reference( short PCB, lower fin surface), but hey there is anycard at 800/1600/4000 stock.
Also Gigabyte it's not better than reference. Reference cooler is very good, so you can buy without any regrets reference cards.
Now, Gigabyte GTX 460OC 1gb, custom cooler.

[GoldenTiger]

Was there any info on the galaxy being any better or worse with its custom cooler? Thanks again for reposting those shots.

[revogamer]

Why are people comparing GTX460 to HD5850s? they are alot cheaper ???

[tajoh111]

FPS is king. You go look at a 5970 review where they OC it then compare it to your precious 460s your trying desperately hard to defend. Raw numbers speak volumes, the 460s are good performers at their price, but a 5970 they are not.

Your not fooling anyone. Your just trying to crap on this launch as much as possible. The press is almost universally praising the release of this card. No one needs to defend their purchase of a gtx 460 because the press has already done so. Alot of reputable websites are saying the exact same thing in that SLI performance of the gtx 460 is impressive.

Additionally, not having to buy a displayport capable monitor or buy a 100 dollar active displayport to dvi converter to use 3 monitor gaming(which I personally am not a fan of really). As also mentioned, the 5970 is the longest graphics card ever. There are alot of cases that it does not fit.

I don't think your fooling anyone changing your sig, I am pretty much everyone that have seen your posts knew you had 5830 in xfire in your sig prior to the release of the gtx 460. You sound really really bitter honestly.

Its no doubt that the 5970 is the fastest graphics card that takes up one slot, for certain people that don't have a SLI capable MB, this means alot. But for people that do have boards capable of SLI, gtx 460 in SLI provides much better bang for the buck.

[GoldenTiger]

Why are people comparing GTX460 to HD5850s? they are alot cheaper ???

Yep... priced like 5770 on newegg if you count the just cause 2 freebie now, yet beats 5850 easily when comparing overclock to overclock. One hell of a card!

[Sodapopjones]

i guess some of you guys are right the 460's did lead to price drops.....on the 470's lol
299-330 will get you one now before the weekend they were $330-350.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127501

only if the 480's would lower to around $430 or so.
*edit checking the 480 prices they are dropping too!!
$460ish before $20 mir(alot of brands)

looks like nv has tightened up the $200ish and $300ish market.

Its actually $279 for the MSI 470, last month, I got mine for $290 around the same time,

[Frag Maniac]

That doesn't look real good honestly. 800Mhz just to pull even with a default clocked GTX470? I can overclock both my GTX470's to 800Mhz and out run a stock GTX480 for $150 less. To me really the only card that makes sense in the Fermi line up is the GTX470. It's the only reasonably priced card for the performance it offers.

That's not true at all. The 460 is the value leader of the Fermi line in performance per dollar and it also runs WAY more thermally efficient than the 470, which by comparison is about the worst at thermal efficiency, running over 10c hotter than it's ATI counterpart the 5850.

It should be an obvious clue that two 460s beating a 480 at $100 less is quite a value.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Z...0_1_GB/33.html

Add OCing to the equation and it's a no brainer. The 460 leads the Fermi line in value AND thermal efficiency. Reviewers are commonly hitting 850MHz+ core speed without even raising the paltry 40% fan speed or core voltage.

[GoldenTiger]

Wonder if we'll see 1ghz cores with a little added voltage + fan speed in software .

[Piggy1918]

Wonder if we'll see 1ghz cores with a little added voltage + fan speed in software .

Will the 470 water block fit the 460? I wonder if these will have a higher ceiling under water...

And I cracked up when people were comparing the $290 5850 to the $230 GTX 460 1gb

[GoldenTiger]

Will the 470 water block fit the 460? I wonder if these will have a higher ceiling under water...

And I cracked up when people were comparing the $290 5850 to the $230 GTX 460 1gb

Doubtful, I think the mounting holes are different but not sure.

Was there any info on the galaxy being any better or worse with its custom cooler? Thanks again for reposting those shots.

Anyone see anything on this? HardOCP claims it's a lot louder than their reference GTX460 which has me concerned.

Does MSI Afterburner 1.6.1 work for voltage adjustment on the PALIT non-reference GTX 460 1GB cards?

[xdan]

It works on Gainward GTX 460 1GB GLH wich have same shorther PCB, cage cooler is a little diferent as Palit GTX 460 1GB SONIC & PLATINIUM.
It's annoyng that reviewers don't put pictures with the GPU voltage controller of every card( lab501 team do that).
From what is known all GTX 460 cards use as controller of GPU voltage NCP5388 fabricated by ON Semiconductor ,
used also on GTX 470, GTX 480 and GTX 465 cards on wich voltage adjustment worked even on custom pcb cards from Palit/Gainward/Galaxy.
So, relax voltage adjustment work 99% sure on every GTX 460.
But not be so entuziast there are raports than at 1.1v the GPU VRM enters in protection(or the GPU itself?) and lower the frecuency and voltage.
For more than 1.1v(max alowed by Msi Afterburner) you need to do an hardware mod.
But is is possible that 1.08v to be enough to reach 1000Mhz. Heat isn't a problem with fan at 70% on reference you will not reach more than 75-78C
The question is how good the GF 104 scales with voltage.


Also a picture of Gigabyte GTX 460OC cutom VRM, may be better than reference?