FUD - No Bulldozer til H2 2011

**haylui** · 10-13-2009, 03:17 PM

i don't think AMD would be dragging and wandering this time round. Since they've learn a very good lesson in K10 chip

**shawmanus** · 10-13-2009, 03:35 PM

I would not be surprised if FUD is right for once. Bulldozer seems way too big a change to launch a cpu shrink. AMD would probably shrink phenom.

**~~terrace215~~** · 10-13-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

now all of their money can be focused on architecture.

Um, no. Now they pay GloFo to make each wafer for them. The costs didn't magically go away, it's just that instead of process R&D and equipment capital, they now pay per part, like they pay TMSC to fab GPUs.

12-18 months would be typical from first silicon to production launch for a new CPU architecture. We've yet to see first silicon... has AMD said when they expect to have it back?

**G0ldBr1ck** · 10-13-2009, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Sly Fox

It should honestly be against the rules to post FUD.

The fact that these fabricators of news get hits as a result of being linked here is sickening. They deserve to go out of business is what they deserve.

I dont think so, usualy after reading a few of these things you can usualy paint somewhat of a picture of whats going on.

**>HyperlogiK<** · 10-13-2009, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sly Fox

It should honestly be against the rules to post FUD.

The fact that these fabricators of news get hits as a result of being linked here is sickening. They deserve to go out of business is what they deserve.

Recently Fuad and Charlie have been posting some pretty accurate leaks. Their sensationalistic analysis leaves a great deal to be desired, but the news element of their reporting has been fairly reliable.

**SEA** · 10-13-2009, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by shawmanus

I would not be surprised if FUD is right for once. Bulldozer seems way too big a change to launch a cpu shrink. AMD would probably shrink phenom.

We know that for years already.

As well as we know that Bulldozer 32nm is going to be due in 2011.
No. I put it this way:
As well as we know that Bulldozer 32nm is going to be due in 2011.

Why, WHY to talk about that much!?

We talked about AMD roadmaps here. we know that it is going to be phenom 6 cores shrink, it is going to be bulldozer 45hm production start in the end of 2010, It is going to be bulldozer 32nm after.
A while ago here was talk about this news:

At the most recent conference call with financial analysts AMD’s president and chief operating officer Dirk Meyer said that the next-generation micro-architecture and processors on its base code-named Bulldozer were in development with first samples due in 2009. What Mr. Meyer did not say is when the final central processing units (CPUs) were scheduled to arrive, a piece of information that both analysts and investors are curious to know.

PS
Ooops, forgot to paste important piece:

“The Bulldozer core is in development in 45nm [process] technology and we will be sampling that in 2009,” Mr. Meyer told the audience.

**RiverRicer** · 10-13-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by shawmanus

I would not be surprised if FUD is right for once. Bulldozer seems way too big a change to launch a cpu shrink. AMD would probably shrink phenom.

I think this is exactly right. The latest AMD desktop roadmap (Sept 2009) introduces a processor 'Zambezi' at 32nm, ≥4 cores, DDR3, and AM3r2. I believe that 'Zambezi' is the 32nm HKMG shrink of Deneb, not the Orochi cored monster that various sites have reported. The Orochi core is too important for AMD to botch it on a new, untested process.

**JumpingJack** · 10-13-2009, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sly Fox

It should honestly be against the rules to post FUD.

The fact that these fabricators of news get hits as a result of being linked here is sickening. They deserve to go out of business is what they deserve.

Fuad is the computer hardware journalistic equivalent of a tabloid magazine. Makes sense, he was cultivated at The Inquirer.

**FlanK3r** · 10-13-2009, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Fuad is the computer hardware journalistic equivalent of a tabloid magazine. Makes sense, he was cultivated at The Inquirer.

exactly!

Fudzilla is only a boulvare magazine

I know this: Phenom from 1Q/2Q 2010 is revision D --> name Phenom III (rev B was Phenom, revison C are Phenoms II).

I think, Zambezzi is project Bulldozer and first chip core from family. K10 are stars, Zambezzi is not 100% a star

**Oliverda** · 10-14-2009, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

exactly!

Fudzilla is only a boulvare magazine

I know this: Phenom from 1Q/2Q 2010 is revision D --> name Phenom III (rev B was Phenom, revison C are Phenoms II).

The revision doesn't have any direct influence to the naming. So the rev. D will be Phenom II as the rev. C.

rev. B - K10 (Phenom)
rev. C - K10.5 (Phenom II)
rev. D - K10.5 (Phenom II)

**Tomasis** · 10-14-2009, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Sly Fox

It should honestly be against the rules to post FUD.

The fact that these fabricators of news get hits as a result of being linked here is sickening. They deserve to go out of business is what they deserve.

+1

do they earn money on ads with "crap info"?

**FlanK3r** · 10-14-2009, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Oliverda

The revision doesn't have any direct influence to the naming. So the rev. D will be Phenom II as the rev. C.

rev. B - K10 (Phenom)
rev. C - K10.5 (Phenom II)
rev. D - K10.5 (Phenom II)

Phenom III is D, u will see

(it will not only small change)

**RiverRicer** · 10-14-2009, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

I think, Zambezzi is project Bulldozer and first chip core from family. K10 are stars, Zambezzi is not 100% a star

No, Zambezi is not a star. However, Llano is not a star either and it's known to be a 32nm shrink of Deneb. Zambezi and Llano are both names of rivers, one in Africa and one in Texas, US.

**FlanK3r** · 10-14-2009, 09:01 AM

Llano is 100% Deneb core with graphics, but Zambezi is new architecture

**informal** · 10-14-2009, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by RiverRicer

No, Zambezi is not a star. However, Llano is not a star either and it's known to be a 32nm shrink of Deneb. Zambezi and Llano are both names of rivers, one in Africa and one in Texas, US.

Llano is 10h,Zambezi is an "Orochi" until AMD say otherwise(should be soon-at Analyst Day in November).

**Oliverda** · 10-14-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

Phenom III is D, u will see

(it will not only small change)

Sorry but I don't believe it.

Revision D is already exists and called Istanbul (rev. D0). Istanbul is Deneb + 2 cores nothing more nothing less. Thuban will be the same die as Istanbul with some minor changes (like C2->C3) and maybe it will be the revision D2. Some erratas will be fixed and better scaling. So I think that the Phenom III naming would be so stupid and illogical for only three or four six-core modell.

**Manicdan** · 10-14-2009, 11:18 AM

for marketing reasons i could see the calling int PIII. nothing wrong with making sure people know its the newest, since most still translate newer as faster, more commonly than higher number meaning faster