They would not hold the new show-offs for people and let them actually OC the CPU's themselves if they were not confident with what they have got under their belts.
...obviously Macci is there as well... :drool:Originally Posted by Sampsa
I will be in Chicago event together with SF3D. Kingpin's F1 EE + LN2 + Phenom II X4 940 BE
See you there
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Inq reports PhII will reach US and Europe stores before the 21st of Dec.
Phenom II available ‘fore Yule
The real thing
By Paul Taylor: Friday, 05 December 2008, 6:12 PM
DISTRIBUTORS IN EUROPE and North America will begin shipping both OEM and retail boxes of the Phenom II 920 and Phenom II 940 starting December 18th (Europe), according to one distributor, and December 20th (North America).
The Phenom II X4 920 SKU will sell at about $235 to retailers, while the overclocking whiz-kid, the Phenom II X4 940 will ship at $275. At least one distributor says December 20th is the ETA for the shipment.
As far as we can tell, pricing in Europe will be around €220 for the 920 but will become available from the 18th. We couldn’t get a pricing on the 940, though, but we’d expect it to be in the €250-265 range. Add tax to these numbers, if you will.
This puts the Phenom II X4 940 just under the Core 2 Quad 9550, while the Phenom II X4 920 will undercut the Q9400. Expect Intel to slash prices just before Christmas.
So those of you who wrote letters to Saint Nick asking for Phenom II, might get your wishes after all.
We couldn’t get hold of AMD for a comment, but there isn’t much to comment, is there? Wonder how that January 8 NDA will hold up when these things reach the market? µ
LOL, Retail Phenom II gonna come packaged with NDA inside.
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Wow. One surprise after another...however it's the Inq. I'd like to hear confirmation from a non-Inq. source about that. Also how's the mobo situation? Are Asus/Gigabyte/DFI ready with solutions already?
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Didn't Rammsteiner mention in another thread that he received a email or something which stated that his pre-ordered 940 ships the18th?
Though, I wouldn't be surprised if FUDzilla used his post as a base for that "news".
I think it was Rammsteiner (correct me if I am wrong) who said he received a letter saying his preorder would be filled on Dec. 18th.
EDIT: Doh! beat me to it Calmatory
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
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Wow
Well this throws my plans into the wind, I was going to get i7, but if they are that close I might aswell wait till after December to buy.
Damn it, my builds been on hold so long
I am quite sure Deneb is no match for i7. I mean, 4 GHz Deneb gets outperformed by some 3.4 GHz i7.Well this throws my plans into the wind, I was going to get i7, but if they are that close I might aswell wait till after December to buy.
Damn it, my builds been on hold so long
Depending on what you are using it for. THat isn't across the board. Games for example, i7 really isn't much better than previous gen stuff IIRC, so if that is what you are building your PC for I'd not get i7 and save all that money.I am quite sure Deneb is no match for i7. I mean, 4 GHz Deneb gets outperformed by some 3.4 GHz i7.
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Yeah, but even still i7 is faster than a Deneb. Especially in future when more and more threads can be utilized for certain tasks. E.g. games like SupCom could have nice gains with i7 over Deneb/C2Q.
Then again, for games, Deneb @ 4.2 GHz(Be it high-end air or wc, besides anything from 3,6 GHz is enough) = cool, cheap and fast enough when compared to performance-wise equivalent i7 platform.
I only game here and there, mostly I want a small rendering monster, so far it looks that i7 might be best then.
However, it all depends on price/performance. I'll try and wait for Deneb, "try" :P
Im preodering 940 from Germany as soon as it's available and throwing my MF2 and E8500 out in to the snow. But what is the best board for it,? The DFI GX or FX with SB750? Or Should I just get the DFI junior for the time being until something new and interresting arrives?
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No one else calling BS on this? Remember when Phenom was supposed to be capable of 4 Ghz on air in Q107.
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this time it's different, back then it was only few sources and almost no press events by amd, this time they made huge efforts to promote the overclockability and ALOT of reliable users on this forum agree that deneb will be FAR more impressive than agenaNo one else calling BS on this? Remember when Phenom was supposed to be capable of 4 Ghz on air in Q107.
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OMG, Yes AMD created a Hacked CPUZ then invited all the well know press to come view this new hacked CPUZ. Then they threatend harm to there families if they did not report on this being real. Then they shipped out some ES CPU's and a copy of there hacked CPUZ along with$100,000 usd to well know review sites to make up fake CPUZ Screen shots and tell us how great PHII is. Now after all that they are going to show there hacked fake OC's to tons of Techies in SF, Chicago, and Boston and send them home to tell us all piles of lies...................................and they are doing all this because It will help them as a company. Yep thats it.No one else calling BS on this? Remember when Phenom was supposed to be capable of 4 Ghz on air in Q107.
PS. that was not realy directed at you frankR tho I quoted you. It was just in general to all the skepticism. so please take no offense
PSS. I hear now that this super hacked CPUZ is now being held in a High security vault somewhere deep below Area51.
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As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
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Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
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For real tho, AMD did fall short with PHI but this time there are just to many reliable sources out there telling us the same things.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
So honestly, what's the reason for the secrecy? Why hide when you have nothing to hide? The last 3 times the they hid, the results sucked. So please don't act as if folks aren't justified in being just a little skeptical.The reasons you gave didn't stop AMD from doing just that the last 3 times
AM2 (will give advantages to AMD over Intel with DDR2)
4X4 (unmatched by anything Intel has or will have for the next 3 years)
Phenom (3GHz Native Quadcore that will be faster than Intel's MCM)
All touted as Intel killers
Bud's in Germany are the ones who got me looking at buying a Phenom II. It would be kind of Lame to buy from Intel or AMD according to their PR and etc...
Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.qft!
agreed but we are talking about Clock speed and not so much about IPC. The clock speeds have been confirmed by many many sources. and the few that have there own PHII to test have been confirming the air cooling capabilities right inline with what AMD told us. I dont trust any company on there word of there product but I do trust those who have confirmed it.It would be kind of Lame to buy from Intel or AMD according to their PR and etc...
Its quite different this time around.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
well having a longer time on DDR2 sure helps make a northerbirdge
4x4 became unsupported buy Asus so AMD had to scrap it it suppose to be able to use 2 opteron 2350. MSI was going to go with it in fanst8 but Amd scraped that one too.
never said it would be a killer at all, they all said MAYBE an intel killer, that was speculation anyways.
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You didn't get the memo? 1 hour 'Fugger time' is equal to 12 hours of regular time.
If they are hiding, why are they showing the tech for the chosen few? E.g. Another event today. Then yet another event in Monday.So honestly, what's the reason for the secrecy? Why hide when you have nothing to hide? The last 3 times the they hid, the results sucked. So please don't act as if folks aren't justified in being just a little skeptical.
My guess: They want to keep the hype up. Instead of blasting it all out right now, they want people to talk about their upcoming product line as much as possible before the release. If they blasted it all out right now, people would forget all of it in few weeks, resulting in less hype during the launch and possibly less sales. Now, if they keep leaking info, it will keep people interested and to speculate about it and more people will be aware. Possibly higher sales for same product.
Actually, I'd expect the bomb to fall down before the launch. What would it be, I have no clue. Possibly about the air OC, the temperatures and voltages. Possibly about the speed with some AMD records broken and coming right behind Intel records.
Actually, people are possibly getting the CPU's before the 24th, so Christmas sales are not no-no either. Conspiracy theory: AMD silently told the resellers to start ship Denebs to get piece of the Christmas cake, falling the bomb before the 18th.
At least it is interesting to see how Deneb turns out to be. Looking good so far.
The last thing they hid was the 4800 series. So that kinda blows your little theory up.The last 3 times the they hid, the results sucked. So please don't act as if folks aren't justified in being just a little skeptical.
I would love it if this was true (seems to be). All this does is lower prices on i7 chips which inturn lowers prices on amd chips. Then I come in and upgrade without spending a buttload
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