Shanghai can now be purchased!

[informal]

CIne10 and PovRay are toy benchmarks and have zero importance(name me one accepted and widely used app based on povray and cine10 engine).
The rest is OK and a healthy bump in both perf. and lower power draw.

thanks for posting this

[accord99]

ok so single shanghai at 2.7ghz is about equal to 3.3ghz agena? + 50w idle, 98.5w load?

It's 7.3% faster clock for clock versus the 2.3GHz Opteron 2356 and Cinebench scales almost perfectly with clockspeed. Is your Agena score with 64-bit Cinebench?

[gallag]

AMD Opteron 2384 2.7ghz 45nm
AMD Opteron 2356 2.3ghz 65nm

Is this correct? Also what speed does the Xeon L540 run at?

[Trunks]

AMD Opteron 2384 2.7ghz 45nm
AMD Opteron 2356 2.3ghz 65nm

Is this correct? Also what speed does the Xeon L540 run at?

2.66ghz 45nm

[Titan7171]

CIne10 and PovRay are toy benchmarks and have zero importance(name me one accepted and widely used app based on povray and cine10 engine).
The rest is OK and a healthy bump in both perf. and lower power draw.

thanks for posting this

you can still compare your own systems performance. I dont have alot of those benchmarks so this is the one Im using for my own reference, thats why Im comparing my score.

[roofsniper]

ok so single shanghai at 2.7ghz is about equal to 3.3ghz agena? + 50w idle, 98.5w load?

shanghai and barcelona are server. agena and deneb are desktop.

[informal]

It's 7.3% faster clock for clock versus the 2.3GHz Opteron 2356 and Cinebench scales almost perfectly with clockspeed. Is your Agena score with 64-bit Cinebench?

That's with an app that showed nearly no improvement going from K8 to K10(single core scores).It uses scalar SSE to benchmark the CPU and is intel "tuned"(they even use it to show off 45nm Penryn and Nehalem gen if chips)

[Titan7171]

shanghai and barcelona are server. agena and deneb are desktop.

I know this but are the clocks/test results comparable between desktop and server?

[roofsniper]

I know this but are the clocks/test results comparable between desktop and server?

im not sure but i wouldn't say so because of different ram and because the opteron chips are better than phenoms. but really i have no idea.

[Titan7171]

im not sure but i wouldn't say so because of different ram and because the opteron chips are better than phenoms. but really i have no idea.

ok cool I guess someone who knows will chime in.......off to play some left4dead

[Particle]

Opteron systems use slower memory. They top out with DDR2-667 ECC Registered.

[Oliverda]

Opteron systems use slower memory. They top out with DDR2-667 ECC Registered.

The Shanghai core Opterons will support the DDR2-800 ECC Registered standard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...C%20registered

[demonkevy666]

The Shanghai core Opterons will support the DDR2-800 ECC Registered standard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...C%20registered

ECC registered is slow compared to desktop. at 800mhz the timings are like 5-5-5-18 and 6-6-6-24.

error correcting check < thats what ECC (I think)

[roofsniper]

ECC registered is slow compared to desktop. at 800mhz the timings are like 5-5-5-18 and 6-6-6-24.

error correcting check < thats what ECC (I think)

yea ecc registered ram is built for stability.

[Macadamia]

CIne10 and PovRay are toy benchmarks and have zero importance(name me one accepted and widely used app based on povray and cine10 engine).
The rest is OK and a healthy bump in both perf. and lower power draw.

thanks for posting this

I am using Cinema 4D as of now. But I'm using the vRay renderer so it doesn't count

[Oese]

opteron will be clocked slower as well, or deneb will be clocked higher then shanghai the other way round. remember the thermal stress in server racks and the much higher need for reliability in the server section..

[Aussie FX]

Nehalem gen if chips)

That's the best one I've seen yet.

[Titan7171]

Opteron systems use slower memory. They top out with DDR2-667 ECC Registered.

The Shanghai core Opterons will support the DDR2-800 ECC Registered standard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...C%20registered

ECC registered is slow compared to desktop. at 800mhz the timings are like 5-5-5-18 and 6-6-6-24.

error correcting check < thats what ECC (I think)

yea ecc registered ram is built for stability.

opteron will be clocked slower as well, or deneb will be clocked higher then shanghai the other way round. remember the thermal stress in server racks and the much higher need for reliability in the server section..

so because of all these reasons you could say that Opterons are kinda krippled just to be server stable.

well between the memory increase going from 667/800 to 1066 for Deneb, the clock for clock increase, the increase in total clocks (2.7 vs 3.0ghz) + overclocking we should see very nice increases overall

[demonkevy666]

so because of all these reasons you could say that Opterons are kinda krippled just to be server stable.

well between the memory increase going from 667/800 to 1066 for Deneb, the clock for clock increase, the increase in total clocks (2.7 vs 3.0ghz) + overclocking we should see very nice increases overall

there where benchmarks done with Barcelona and 8800 GTX on a sever with 677mhz ECC.

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3092

it us to have a 3dmark numbers too. :/

I think it scored around 9,00 points and a phenom scored around 9,800 10,250.

[knopflerbruce]

The TDP is only 75w I wonder what stock vcore is for these CPUs

Wonder what kind of speeds they would get out of a 140w Deneb

[Calmatory]

ECC registered is slow compared to desktop. at 800mhz the timings are like 5-5-5-18 and 6-6-6-24.

error correcting check < thats what ECC (I think)

Just to let people know that memory isn't that crucial with bigger CPU caches. And with wider memory controller the timings become more important rather than the frequency. Also, 800 MHz CAS 4 is slower(only due to the lower bandwidth available, actual CAS latency stays the same) than 1200MHz with CAS 6 or 1600 MHz with CAS 8.

The TDP is only 75w I wonder what stock vcore is for these CPUs

Wonder what kind of speeds they would get out of a 140w Deneb

Yet this is their first launched 45nm batch, thus I assume they have room to improve, quite a bit.

[Particle]

Of course, a dual-socket system also has the benefit of running two memory controllers. One bank for each CPU generally.

[EvilBlitz]

informal, I agree povray is a bit of a toy benchmark, but CineBench?
I thought Cinebench was from one of the most popular rendering programmes?
If so I wouldn't call it minor. Optimising for SSE isnt just optimising for intel either, the Opterons do run certains subsets of of SSE faster than their intel equivalents(or they definitely did vs P4 even though intel came up with them, not sure about Conroe etc)AFAIK.

[qurious63ss]

The TDP is only 75w I wonder what stock vcore is for these CPUs

Wonder what kind of speeds they would get out of a 140w Deneb

I believe that the 75W number is actually for ACP so true TDP is something like 110W or something like that.

[Oliverda]

I believe that the 75W number is actually for ACP so true TDP is something like 110W or something like that.

105W ACP = 125W TDP
75W ACP = 95W TDP
55W ACP = 68W TDP