Official Phenom Reviews Thread

[sdsdv10]

Or not getting anytime soon if what KTE says is true... May have to get the everything but the cpu for now =(

Jethro, may I suggest if really you want to stay with AMD now, look at buying either a Windsor X2 6400+ (@$180 for stock speeds) or a Brisbane X2 5000+ (@$130 for OCing). Both would be faster in common desktop programs and games than the higher priced aned lower clocked Phenom units. You can use the CPU with an AM2+ board (when available) and upgrade to Phenom when AMD gets higher clocks out of them. Remember, the next generation of Phenom processors (when they switch to 45nm manufacturing) will use DDR3 memory and will equire a new motherboard see link http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+45nm+DD...rticle7132.htm . Buying Phenom now (except for experimenting as JumpingJack noted) just doesn't make any sense at this time, as there are faster (per Tom's hardware review http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/...eb/page21.html) and lower priced options for even AMD itself. Just an idea.

[DoubleZero]

Not only can Phenom not equal it, it can't even overlap any part of C2Q's performance range. Even Prescott NEVER did so badly. Phenom is even worse than Prescott, and everyone knows what pure crap Prescott was.

That's pretty damn idiotic... So if AMD had released the 2.2 and 2.3 versions only when they had the faster versions available, and when Intel had already the slower C2Q versions, so that there was plenty overlapping, then phenom woudn't be worse then prescott,

K10 will end up being 15% slower then penryn, Prescott was a lot more slower then that.

[Donnie27]

Wizard's Tenth Rule:



Good way to think of it.

Just saved a link to your post, nice going.

[Boschwanza]

No. It is not even close to C2Q. It's 10% slower clock for clock, and its top speed is only 2.3GHz. Overall the FASTEST Phenom is slower than the SLOWEST C2Q.

Realy ? lets take a look at some multicore affected Benchmarks

Well there is

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and here
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here again
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oh here is another on
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next one here
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hell there a alot
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Want more?

Well, for another example, if you took all the multicore optimized benches in the THG Benchmark together , there is a gap of 1 % between GP-9600 and Q6600.

Again i don't consider any benches which takes no benefit of the mutlticore Design.

[Periander6]

That's pretty damn idiotic... So if AMD had released the 2.2 and 2.3 versions only when they had the faster versions available, and when Intel had already the slower C2Q versions, so that there was plenty overlapping, then phenom woudn't be worse then prescott,

K10 will end up being 15% slower then penryn, Prescott was a lot more slower then that.

On Anand's charts even a 2.6 Phenom, which will be out God knows when, loses to the Q6600 on 11 of 15 benchmarks, and we are only weeks away from the full Yorkfield lineup. Then AMD is going to need at least 2.8GHz, and more like a 3.0 to even try to match the bottom York quad. There isn't even a roadmap now with that on it.

Right now it's not clear when, or if, there will ever be an overlap.

[GoThr3k]

does anyone know what the future 45nm wil bring?
i now it will have 6MB L3 cache,but what else?

[KeZzZu]

Best thing what amd could do just now is : unlock all models to get decent cash boost, at stock amd provides 2.2ghz warranty on that, above that god bless you, warranty expired and you get... something between 2.2ghz-x.xxghz
with decent price ofc 150 euros anyone? should be reasonable priced thought...

Well i did my order today: 9500&msi cf-f mobo 314 euros, not bad at all

[Ubermann]

Wow! OC to 2.6 stable now thats really hardcore! (anand)
Maybe they should compete with VIA instead.
Intel is far ahead this time..

6 month ago i would feel sorry for them and defend AMD but why feel sorry for a company that cant do anything right ?
Maybe they think they can survive as long as they have "dedicated costumers" buying every failure they produce.

[DoubleZero]

On Anand's charts even a 2.6 Phenom, which will be out God knows when, loses to the Q6600 on 11 of 15 benchmarks, and we are only weeks away from the full Yorkfield lineup.

heh, and there are others reviews that show something completely diferent, this is 2900xt all over again, where the diferences between reviews were... let's just say amusing, and it will happen the same thing, someone will buy phenom as they bought 2900xt, and the conclusion will be the same, it's not as bad as painted by some reviews.

[OBR]

After AMD Warsaw talking ... is situation very bad for whole company ... AMD dont have all money they will need to make a B3 revisons of their processors ... They are in END of their Days ... AMD needs big help from new investors, last money injection from Abu Dabbi keep AMD live for some months, but after that AMD will die!

[PetNorth]

Lol

[informal]

After AMD Warsaw talking ... is situation very bad for whole company ... AMD dont have all money they will need to make a B3 revisons of their processors ... They are in END of their Days ... AMD needs big help from new investors, last money injection from Abu Dabbi keep AMD live for some months, but after that AMD will die!

My thoughts are pretty much in line of what PetNorth said:

Lol

[Donnie27]

That's pretty damn idiotic... So if AMD had released the 2.2 and 2.3 versions only when they had the faster versions available, and when Intel had already the slower C2Q versions, so that there was plenty overlapping, then phenom woudn't be worse then prescott,

K10 will end up being 15% slower then penryn, Prescott was a lot more slower then that.

Not in every benchmark. Hotscott still ruled the Streaming apps until X2 shipped. Until then, most folks saw it as Multimedia vs Games where Intel and AMD did respectively. Phenom ain't bad, not bad at all. Its just NOT as good as the competition. There Nothing wrong with buying the 2nd best. The problem is trying to convince others it's not the 2nd best to justify your decision.

To: mongoled

Pointing out the obvious is not trolling LOL! Dispariging comments about any Company shouldn't upset anyone here. That is unless you're an AMD employee, stock holder or etc.........

[Ubermann]

I wished it was faster clock for clock or at least the same.
Then Intel cpus would drop a little bit more.
I just hope we dont get those sick high prices we had when AMD was topdog.

[Donnie27]

After AMD Warsaw talking ... is situation very bad for whole company ... AMD dont have all money they will need to make a B3 revisons of their processors ... They are in END of their Days ... AMD needs big help from new investors, last money injection from Abu Dabbi keep AMD live for some months, but after that AMD will die!

I hope like hell not! The market desperately needs healthy AMD.

[Donnie27]

I wished it was faster clock for clock or at least the same.
Then Intel cpus would drop a little bit more.
I just hope we dont get those sick high prices we had when AMD was topdog.

QFT!

[Donnie27]

heh, and there are others reviews that show something completely diferent, this is 2900xt all over again, where the diferences between reviews were... let's just say amusing, and it will happen the same thing, someone will buy phenom as they bought 2900xt, and the conclusion will be the same, it's not as bad as painted by some reviews.

So if the reviewers aren't showing Phenom as being 40% faster, AMD still lied their @$$es off, right?

[PetNorth]

After AMD Warsaw talking ... is situation very bad for whole company ... AMD dont have all money they will need to make a B3 revisons of their processors ... They are in END of their Days ... AMD needs big help from new investors, last money injection from Abu Dabbi keep AMD live for some months, but after that AMD will die!

Lol

My thoughts are pretty much in line of what PetNorth said:

hehe...

I guess I'll buy my Phenom quickly, before AMD dies

[informal]

Since OBR has at least some sort of "prophetic" ability(check my sig ),let's hope it was just some wishful thinking this time

PS I will get one Phenom and label it as " the last CPU AMD made" /pure sarcasm

[naokaji]

PS I will get one Phenom and label it as " the last CPU AMD made" /pure sarcasm

now if just everyone would do that

phenom is not some miracle chip that will save the world, but if amd gets lucky retailers decide to advertise the native quad core part aggressively... you know, best buy and co where the in regards to computers uneducated ones buy their stuff. that way amd might still sell enough to survive.

*goes back into hiding till Q9450 comes*

[LowRun]

Since OBR has at least some sort of "prophetic" ability(check my sig ),let's hope it was just some wishful thinking this time

PS I will get one Phenom and label it as " the last CPU AMD made" /pure sarcasm

Dude, i wouldn't bet the farm on his predictions

Someone talks about Phenoms in november ... Phenoms will launch in mid of December *I KNOW*! 15.11 will appears only new Radeons and chipset ...

[GoThr3k]

So if the reviewers aren't showing Phenom as being 40% faster, AMD still lied their @$$es off, right?

amd never said that it would be 40% faster overall................

[informal]

Dude, i wouldn't bet the farm on his predictions

Good find
Anyway,my whole previous post was written in a sarcastic way ,i thought to bring some fun in this doom&gloom thread .The funniest thing is that there will be no doom and gloom,Phenom will sell quite well.The problem will be the supply,not demand.

[JargonGR]

The truth in all this situation is that during the times of the Athlon CPU it was not AMD that had a really stron product. Instead it was Intel that had a weak product allowing AMD to just survive (would be dead otherwise). Add some tolerance on this from Intel since it suited them in order to avoid investigations (aka MS) and you get the picture. It just happened and lets face it that numbers talk on their own (Intel vs AMD), the small guy can not competed with the huge behemoth Intel is. The are always on the red while Intel even during the Athlon days was still making money (save for one Q or two if I remember right).

[Periander6]

amd never said that it would be 40% faster overall................

The exact quote, from Randy Allen was:

"Barcelona is going to be able to deliver performance levels for many workloads in excess of 40% beyond what Clovertown can."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_n3wvsfq4Y

A pretty comical video in hindsight.