What's the big deal about Conroe processors?

[adz]

i had 386
p1 mmx 200
p2 400
p3 450(laptop)
p4 1500
amd 64 3200+
p4 3200 (laptop)
amd64 3500+
core duo 1.66 (laptop)

[The Stilt]

That's insane . What...a few friggin caps needed? Same socket for god sakes...geeeze that really eeks me.

The problem doesn´t have anything to do with capacitors.
Asus P5WD2 / Prem. , P5WD2-E Prem and P5WD2G-WS motherboards all use ADP3181 PWM buck controller made by Analog Devices.

ADP3181 supports VR10 specification instead of required VR11.
Thats why these boards cannot support Conroe or any upcoming chips that require VR11 specification.

Asus should release P5WDxxx 1.03 revision that supports Conroe pretty soon.

[Fuji]

um... actually... athlonXP was K7, and athlon 64 is K8. they're completely different cores, with probably nothing in common other than what K8 has in common with P7 (willy/northwood/prescott/whatever the crap).

where to you get the idea that they aren't that different?

What i meant is that they are not all that different. They are not groundbreakingly different. That's not to say that they are the same, but it's not that different from Pentium 4 and Pentium 3. It's been said that the K8 is based on K7.

[Skyline GT-R]

Mine:

AMD K7 450MHz
P3 800MHz Coppermine
P4 2.4B
AMD Athlon 3400+
Conroe E6600 (my 3th 2.4GHz CPU in a row :P)

[JoeBar]

Asus should release P5WDxxx 1.03 revision that supports Conroe pretty soon.

I'm anxiously waiting for it!

[Think]

The problem doesn´t have anything to do with capacitors.
Asus P5WD2 / Prem. , P5WD2-E Prem and P5WD2G-WS motherboards all use ADP3181 PWM buck controller made by Analog Devices.

ADP3181 supports VR10 specification instead of required VR11.
Thats why these boards cannot support Conroe or any upcoming chips that require VR11 specification.

Asus should release P5WDxxx 1.03 revision that supports Conroe pretty soon.

Still eeks me. I had no idea that such a change in design was occurring so quickly. Oh well, I've been meaning to build a server in my home. I'll just use what I got for that and move on.

What a waste of money if you ask me. With such a significant change, my system has become a Dodo bird in less then 3 months.

[Smurfy]

Still eeks me. I had no idea that such a change in design was occurring so quickly. Oh well, I've been meaning to build a server in my home. I'll just use what I got for that and move on.

What a waste of money if you ask me. With such a significant change, my system has become a Dodo bird in less then 3 months.

Only in your head, it still does exacly the same as it did when you bought it.

[ahmad]

nope. they are completely different architectures. like going from AthlonXP to Athlon64.

Is that right. Could you please tell me the differences between A64 and AXP?

Last I checked it was the "64bit"ness with an ondie memory controller and a die shrink (later on) that made the A64 so great.

[Think]

Only in your head, it still does exacly the same as it did when you bought it.

My understanding is that the new Conroe can make me a caffe late throught the Marvel USB ports

[Qba73]

My understanding is that the new Conroe can make me a caffe late throught the Marvel USB ports

and it can give you big mac's out of the CD drive..

Seriously i know how you feel think, im in the same boat your in. sucks doesnt it, socket stays the same, chipset supports it but we are @ss out by a controller.

how refreshing would it be if they came out with a socket adaptor like the ct-479 for these conroe's and the 975's that dont have the vr11
oh well i'll have to wait and see how the cards stack up and be ready for ebay for the 1.02 WS for the 1.03 WS.

Wonder if asus would honor a rma exchange being we paid top dollar for this board. to miss out on a new cpu by 5 months or so, then again 5 months in technology world is a lifetime..lol

[Thorburn]

Wonder if asus would honor a rma exchange being we paid top dollar for this board. to miss out on a new cpu by 5 months or so, then again 5 months in technology world is a lifetime..lol

They never claimed the board would support Core 2, unless the board is actually faulty they have no reason to replace it.

[Kjaks]

Intel has went from a cpu with long pipelines and netburst to a shorter pipelined one that is more like P3 or Dothan/Core Duo, but with a wider bus, higher speed and other improvements. Just google for Conroe specs..

[iterations]

Is it just a matter of price difference and less vcore implementation or are there any SIGNIFICANT architectural differences versus the Presler 955EE?

This is the big deal:



Cheers!

[pik-ard v1.1]

Is that right. Could you please tell me the differences between A64 and AXP?

Last I checked it was the "64bit"ness with an ondie memory controller and a die shrink (later on) that made the A64 so great.

all that was already brought to my attention, and i realized my error. nice try though.

[Qba73]

They never claimed the board would support Core 2, unless the board is actually faulty they have no reason to replace it.

Kinda figured that but can't blame me for wishful thinking..lol

[Qba73]

Intel has went from a cpu with long pipelines and netburst to a shorter pipelined one that is more like P3 or Dothan/Core Duo, but with a wider bus, higher speed and other improvements. Just google for Conroe specs..

yeah the ol' p3 has gotten its revenge..i remember when the tualatin was whuppin the willamette's arse and then they went and killed the p3 and more importantly its architecture shelved. luckly it was revived for the mobile well its descendant at least, and now has come back to haunt the now defunct p4 and siblings. intel should of stayed with this approach rather than go speed crazy back then and who knows how the amd-intel back and forth would look like today, maybe intel would not have to play catch-up now...hopefully conroe will level they playing field if not tip it in its favor again.

[mzs_biteme]

OT but had to post my CPU legacy:

P 60@66
P 75@90
P 100@133
P 133@150
Cyrix 166+ (133MHz)
P 166MMX@200
P 233MMX@290 (I kid you not)
AMD K2 166@220
AMD K2 300@333
AMD K3 450@470
Celeron 266@400
Celeron 300@450
P3 550
Celeron 566@800
Duron 600@900
Duron 800@1050
Athlon 1200@1450
P4 1.6@2.1
P4 1.8@2.4
P4 2.6@2.9
P4 2.8@3.6
P4 3.0@3.9

Works for me...

[Maelstrom2160]

rm 80186, dos3
P60
386SX 16, co-processorless
P233 MMX
K6-3 450
1.2Ghz Thunderbird
XP2600
XP2500-M
Opteron 165

conroe


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[Qba73]

my best overclocker of all chips i ever owned was a p4 sl6z3 30 cap 2.4 northwood that did 3.6 on air (1200mhz oc, 300fsb 1200mhz effective fsb)

ahh i still remember that chip maybe because i retired her to my work pc that i am typing from now..

[charlie]

What's the big deal about CONROE?

Hmmm.... looks at my Celeron M notebook and then looks over at my FX-60/SLI rig...

Yeah, it's "different" from what's currently available.

[R101]

My PC machines - only good oc's noted

Intel 286-16MHz
AMD 386sx-40Mhz
Intel 486sx25MHz oc'd to 50Mhz
AMD 486DX133@180MHz (modded mobo, 4x45 )
Intel Pentium 90
Intel Pentium 166
Intel Celeron 300A
Intel Celeron 433@612MHz, 2.1V
Intel Celeron 566
Intel Coppermine 650@993 (ss only, kingmax ram was so cool back then)
AMD Duron 600@1100 (ss only)
AMD T-Bird 900
AMD XP1600
P4 NW 1600
P4 NW 2000
P4 NW 2.4@3.4 (oc that took most effort )
A64 s754 2800
P4 NW 2.4D@3.0
Laptop - Intel Celeron M 1.6 (still runnin' )

[R101]

OT but had to post my CPU legacy:

P 233MMX@290 (I kid you not)
AMD K2 166@220


Works for me...

Haha, just seen these.. A friend of mine first bought K2@233 which couldn't work at that frequency (225 was most it could go and be stable) and then he threw in a P166MMX which went to 270+.. Unbelievable speed for that time .

[JoeBar]

Wonder if asus would honor a rma exchange being we paid top dollar for this board. to miss out on a new cpu by 5 months or so, then again 5 months in technology world is a lifetime..lol

The best after sales support...

[Kaiser_Sose]

What are we going to have to spend to get a conroe? Are these cpus going to start out around $700+ or will we be able to get a $300 cpu and OC to a $1G cpu

Frpm the wiki ' Unfortunately, the FSB is the weak link in the new architecture, as it uses the infrastructure installed in the Pentium 4 era which cannot handle the full bandwidth of dual-channel DDR2 SDRAM, or the new memory architecture FB-DIMM. ' - anyone care to explain this and how it will hinder performance

[thunderstruck!]

My history is short. PIII, 2.4C, XP-M, A64, Conroe.