x1600pro 512mb cards in crossfire

[Welz]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102657


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Welz]

let the price gouging begin

[althes]

You know something I just tried to oc and it worked OC at all, I used overdrive, ati tool and oc tool.
I think I may reinstall windows
Any ideas.

[saaya]

Trust me Sayaa, with all do respect that is not GDDR3.

easiest way to be sure is have althes read us the marking on the chips

i never said that its gddr3...
i just said it looks like gddr3 and could be gddr3, wich would be nice
and yeah, the 6600 non gts with ddr2 also have those rectangular chips, looks like all new gddr is rectangular, gddr3 and gddr2.

i checked again and i think x1600pros in cf arent worth it...
even with the reduced prices...
they scale best in 2k3 and 2k5 with crossfire and scale worse in games, and so far the scaling in cf in 2k3 and 2k5 has been very dissapointing.
lets see how they perform oced, but i dont think they are worth the money they cost...

it makes more sense to get a single x1600xt or 6600gt, and if you want more performence then spend more money and get a gt gto or 6800gs or if you want even more get a 7800gt or 1800xl, and the 6800gs and 7800gt and 1800xl can still be upgraded to sli/cf later on.

well lets see how they perform first, but im almost certain i will send the 1600s back, i think i will plug em in and run benches and see how they perform, but then i will send them back again. :/

[althes]

It is ddr2

[althes]

So any ideas on how to overclock these buggers

[STEvil]

definately ddr2

system still has a lot of leg room left, wouldnt count them out yet. Pair of X1600XT 256's in crossfire would be much faster though, and $20-60 cheaper than the pro 512's according to ncix.com

[saaya]

well the xts cost a lot more here, they start at 200$ here... thats only 50$ more than a 1600pro here, but for a set thats 100$... and thats a totally different league of cards again.

for that price i can get a 1800xl...

it looks like the 1600pros are held back by the low memory speed, i didnt expect that... i thougt their memory bandwidth was sagurated because of the ring bus controller, so all thats needed is a high core clock, and thats no problem with mods. no real difference between pro and xt there, only the memory is what matters.

it seems the memory does matter, so its 1600xt or nothing, and id say nothing. 2 1600xts beat a 1800xl, but the xl ocs much better and higher, and its much faster in games, remember its only in 2k3 and 2k5 where sli and crossfire scale that nicely!

[sabrewolf732]

man idk, doesnt look like crossfire is on at all. They look like single card scores to me in 03. I would reinstall windows

[saaya]

man idk, doesnt look like crossfire is on at all. They look like single card scores to me in 03. I would reinstall windows

im praying that cf isnt working here

[althes]

man idk, doesnt look like crossfire is on at all. They look like single card scores to me in 03. I would reinstall windows

I will do that tomorrow.
I cant get overdrive to hold the overclock, when I ran the ati overdrive utility it tells me the core is good 557 and mem 464 but it wont hold the oc.
So I will reinstall tomorrow and hopefully that works.
These cards run pretty hot when you use the oc utility running about 72c.
Ok boys of to bed, I will get this thing worked out.

[althes]

im praying that cf isnt working here

You and me both.

[saaya]

I will do that tomorrow.
I cant get overdrive to hold the overclock, when I ran the ati overdrive utility it tells me the core is good 557 and mem 464 but it wont hold the oc.
So I will reinstall tomorrow and hopefully that works.
These cards run pretty hot when you use the oc utility running about 72c.
Ok boys of to bed, I will get this thing worked out.

72... wow... i ordered the msi cards first because the cooler on the msi looks way more efficient than the sapphire thing, but then i thougt screw it, msi cards sucked in my expirience and sapphire was good
so i changed my order to sapphire, i thougt those cards dont run hot anyways, so whop dee who cares about the heatsink ... hmmm
looking worse and worse today, lets hope things look better tomorrow!

althes, try to mod the bios file to the speeds overdrive says are ok, maybe a lil lower to be sure, and then flash those bioses, should work.
650/900 stock are nice though considering they run so hot!
at least some good news...

[Cybercat]

gddr3 isnt square, the chips on the 1600xt have the same shape and its gddr3! 1800xt 1800xl 7800gtx 512mb also have rectangular chips and its gddr3...

well, it can be either.

[perkam]

128-bit mem controller + gddr2 means x1300 mem bandwith...If you want to do mainstream crossfire that can begin to touch the GS, you'll certainly need the XT.

Why dont you guys check out some games ?? To see if there's a bigger diff there ?

Perkam

[Athens[2004]]

So any ideas on how to overclock these buggers

Mine x1600xt with ddr2 , has core 600 and mems at 400 , , Core tops at 625 ~ 630 , and mems 490~ , maybe was a bug but at 499 the mems passed 3d mark 05 at 501 crashes.

Dammit i sold it before cat 5.13 [never saw temp monitor]

[Grayskull]

The system will really hold 2 X1600Pros back...that 3000+ CPU at default speeds will not be able to keep up. Also why is the HT link at 800 MHz as opposed to 1GHz?

05 results

[bassv2]

The system will really hold 2 X1600Pros back...that 3000+ CPU at default speeds will not be able to keep up. Also why is the HT link at 800 MHz as opposed to 1GHz?

your memory timings

[Athens[2004]]

@Grayskull he has the HTT multi to 4X [4X200HTT=800] , but i dont think that holds the system back .

[ahmad]

But it would make quite a difference running at 2.7GHz vs 1.8GHz...

Don't use 3dmark03 as a reference, it is a better measure of overall performance (with emphasize on GPU). 3dmark05 is better for GPU comparisons.

How come you can't OC them? Not even one card?

[saaya]

128-bit mem controller + gddr2 means x1300 mem bandwith...If you want to do mainstream crossfire that can begin to touch the GS, you'll certainly need the XT.

Why dont you guys check out some games ?? To see if there's a bigger diff there ?

Perkam

perkam, there are no games that scale better in sli/crossfire than 2k3 and 2k5... fear maybe with highest quality settings...

Athens[2004], that wasnt a "real" 1600xt then, same as the crappy 1600 pro from club3d wich has ddr1, its not a "real" 1600pro

The system will really hold 2 X1600Pros back...that 3000+ CPU at default speeds will not be able to keep up. Also why is the HT link at 800 MHz as opposed to 1GHz?

of course, but i doubt that extra cpu speed will make a big difference
btw, my 1600s still havent arrived

But it would make quite a difference running at 2.7GHz vs 1.8GHz...

of course, but if they score so bad with low cpus speeds they wont be that fast with higher cpus speeds...
can you guys run 2k3 and 2k5 again with the cpu at 2.4ghz with memory set to a divider so its around 200mhz?
then the scores would be comparable to the xbitlabs review.

Don't use 3dmark03 as a reference, it is a better measure of overall performance (with emphasize on GPU). 3dmark05 is better for GPU comparisons.

really? :P

How come you can't OC them? Not even one card?

thats what we are trying to figure out... from what althes told me overdrive doesnt work correctly, the clockspeeds get reset to default when he runs a benchmark or game it seems... or they dont even get applied correctly

.

[althes]

Just found out something, I can overclock the slave card but the mastercard defaults back to stock.

[althes]

Overclocking is working usig ati tool, after fussing with catalyst and ati tool after 3 reboots.
shut off ati smart and hot key reboot open ati tool and set it for both cards.
Reboot and go back and you should be able to oc using ati tool.

[althes]

I am running 166 divider 9*280. The memory is killing me ddr3 is the way to go.

[sabrewolf732]

I am running 166 divider 9*280. The memory is killing me ddr3 is the way to go.
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lookin good