So the X1800XT came and went without a whimper?

[AACDIRECT]

The normal GTX? Don't think so. Ill be able to tell you in a few days myself.

Never been impressed with my GTX, infact id go as far as saying it's horrible with AA/AF.

I dunno why people are all moaning about the X1800XT and ATI, sure Nvidia have brought out a 512mb Monster card, so what, the X1800XT is still a very decent card, and it's over 100quid cheaper than an 512mb GTX.

The X1800 is also very early, i think it's great, ATI will have experience to draw from, because of the 0.09 micron, when they make R580. The only crappy thing is the stock, like the X800XT PE last year, it's pathetic, as Crossfire is becoming a joke, but i don't rate dual GPU's anyways.

I have it and can tell you ATI has a winner. High res AAA/AF gaming has never looked so good. Also expect some suprises in the next driver release from ATI. People are going to be very happy.

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF. Of them I would personally want X1800 CF. (It is in my system for the moment.) For a gamer it is awsome. For benchmarks...you guys will have to answer that. 7800 512MB SLI is a beast in 3dmark....it also draws more power than x1800 CF(I run a OC'd dual core A64 with X1800 CF on a 480 Watt PSU with no problems.) and NV's IQ to me was not as good. (HL2 1600 by 1200 6AAA/ 16AF....awsome. )

Also it works on the RDX200 and works with retail cards so you guys that bought stuff are looking good.

[softpain]

Well here the cheapest GTX 512 is 840$ and the 1800 xt 600$ where I live so...

[Gnome]

I have it and can tell you ATI has a winner. High res AAA/AF gaming has never looked so good. Also expect some suprises in the next driver release from ATI. People are going to be very happy.

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF. Of them I would personally want X1800 CF. (It is in my system for the moment.) For a gamer it is awsome. For benchmarks...you guys will have to answer that. 7800 512MB SLI is a beast in 3dmark....it also draws more power than x1800 CF(I run a OC'd dual core A64 with X1800 CF on a 480 Watt PSU with no problems.) and NV's IQ to me was not as good. (HL2 1600 by 1200 6AAA/ 16AF....awsome. )

Also it works on the RDX200 and works with retail cards so you guys that bought stuff are looking good.

i'm happy to hear that, i just got myself 2 7800GTs and SLIed them. My first impression "can't wait for the RD480 and x1800 CF...".

the problem is that i'm a CS player. I need a rig that will WoW and other @ high res, but i have CS tournaments to attend, and if it doesnt play cs the way i like it, it gets binned.

in cs there's a big plus, and a huge minus.
the plus is that the nvidia smokes are more transparrent then ATI smokes. The huge minus is the rendering of smokes has weird colors, but worst of all, if you get flashed, you have all sorts of funny colors all over, and you can't see clearly until the flash totally dissipates...

now there's the WoW bug. When i play WoW fullscreen (haven't tested window yet), and i alt-tab, not only does it not change apps, wow hard locks. I found it would un-hard lock if i alt-tabbed around until it selected the wow window (but i cant see the alt-tab window manager, so i'm doing it blindly). htne when i get back to wow, there's some kind of lag... it's horrible. seems like the ticrate is 5...

Another thing with nvidia cards (or at least my 2 BFG cards), on my x800xt (at least), fan throttleling turns on during post, making the card inaudible. on my 7800GTs, they only throttle after the driver loads... and they are quite noisy anyway...

And i don't like the nvidia version of refresh rate overide (which doesnt even come as a standard feature).

By the way, this is on a clean install of XP SP2, with installed :
nvidia chipset and GPU drivers
VLC
itunes
wow cartographe
steam
msn
zonealarm

never had any of those problems with my x800.

[perkam]

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF.

Any ideas on when its going to be launched next year ?

Thx.

Perkam

[AACDIRECT]

Any ideas on when its going to be launched next year ?

Thx.

Perkam

NDA lifts this year.

Availabilty....I have no idea....

[DilTech]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2609&p=4

"While the exact performance results achieved comparing X1800XT Crossfire with 7800GTX SLI can not yet be published, we can tell you we benchmarked with F.E.A.R., Quake 4, Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory, Doom 3, Far Cry, and 3DMark05 at 1600x1200 resolution with 4X AA and 8X AF enabled. ATI X1800XT Crossfire won every benchmark over nVidia 7800GTX SLI in these tests. "


"We then ran all the same tests in single video mode, comparing a single X1800XT on the ATI RD580 to a single 7800GTX on the Asus A8N32-SLI. Benchmarks were run under the same conditions as Crossfire/SLI - 1600x1200/4xAA/8xAF in games and "standard" scores in 3Dmarks and Aquamark 3. Once again the ATI X1800XT on the RD580 was the winner in every benchmark. "

seems like the RD580 + x1800xt is a killer.

They compared it, for one, against the 7800gtx 256mb, not the 512mb. They also used an unreleased mobo/chipset for CF....

Now, I have no doubt CF will be good(after THIS long, it'd BETTER), but I'm not believing a word about it anymore until I see numbers, and everything Available in stores. This is specifically due to the fact that CF was launched 3 times before we finally saw a single mobo or master card....

Current word says that x1800 cf won't be available until q1 2k6, january at the earliest to be exact. So I'd guess NDA lets up 1st week of december, maybe 2nd... Sound right AAC?

Also, perkam, they use the same exact chip, so if the R520 has the cold bug, so will the master card. As for macci and sampsa and the rest, they got engineering samples, ATi probably tested thru their cards to find ones without coldbugs before giving them to those guys. It's kinda like testing 10 FX-57's to find that one that plays nicely in the cold.

Notice sampsa and macci were able to put their x1800's under sub-zero but people here like Dynasty can't even take them to -20C without it locking up.

Don't expect CF MasterCards to fix the coldbug, and even if it did it wouldn't help much as clocks have to be the same... If one card has a coldbug and the other doesn't then it's just the same as both having it. See where I'm getting at Perkam?

Finally, Hicks, not the normal GTX. The 512mb GTX vs the x1800xt. The GTX definitely gamed better, first card I've ever seen capable of throwing SSAA at anygame I tried it on!

[biohead]

and even if it did it wouldn't help much as clocks have to be the same...

The clocks don't need to be the same

from ATi's Crossfire FAQ:

9. What happens when your CrossFire Edition card and and a compatible standard Radeon (CrossFire Ready) graphics card have different clock speeds?

A. Both cards will continue to operate at their individual clock speeds.

http://www.ati.com/technology/crossfire/faq.html#9

[mR Yellow]

Both card are nice to play with,i think it's just an matter of what you can get a hold on...



Wich is again decided by youre wallet

True. Would be nice to play with both. I know we all love benching. lol.
But one should try both cards in games.

Its a pitty about the x1800 coldbug. I wonder if its driver related?

[ArcTan]

hmm that anantech article linked there says ati will be releasing a x1800xt pe card to go with the 512mb 7800gtx. Sounds interesting

[DilTech]

Yes Arc, We've seen what we believe is the ASUS version. It comes at 650mhz core, 1500mhz ram IIRC. It's not a huge jump. It also still uses the same 1.26ns ram.

[perkam]

Hey Kuan,

Firstly, to the forums

Secondly, I think you meant ...

ATI X1800XT 512MB 499$
ATI X1800XT 256MB 459$
ATI X1800XL 256MB 349$
ATI X1800Pro 512MB 299$

We know that there wont be a 512MB X1800XL...from pre-nda info...but there will be a 512MB X1800PRO...XT rejects basically.

Perkam

[DilTech]

They won't use 1.1ns ram on the pro, they didn't even do it for the XT.

Also, both NV and ATi have been hardlocking pipes lately. Look at all the GTO's that weren't GTO2's. If there's locked pipes, don't expect them to be softlocked.

[Hicks]

I have it and can tell you ATI has a winner. High res AAA/AF gaming has never looked so good. Also expect some suprises in the next driver release from ATI. People are going to be very happy.

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF. Of them I would personally want X1800 CF. (It is in my system for the moment.) For a gamer it is awsome. For benchmarks...you guys will have to answer that. 7800 512MB SLI is a beast in 3dmark....it also draws more power than x1800 CF(I run a OC'd dual core A64 with X1800 CF on a 480 Watt PSU with no problems.) and NV's IQ to me was not as good. (HL2 1600 by 1200 6AAA/ 16AF....awsome. )

Also it works on the RDX200 and works with retail cards so you guys that bought stuff are looking good.

Hehehe, excellent, i hope to play all my games at 1600x1200 with 4X AA and 16XAF, apart from FEAR.

I should have my Powercolor X1800XT tomorrow.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I was wondering too. I would of thought the x1800xt had a chance in 3dmark 2001 since ATI has always been ahead in 2001! Its sad they lost even the 2001 performance crown! The 7800 ultra comes close to the x1800xt in clocks but its got 50% more pipes so its just much better. Also Nvidia has the better prices so I see much more 7800s sold than x1800s. No matter, ATI knows the situation and as I expected, r520 was a stop-gap measure, r580 is comming in Jan 2006.

[macci]

I would of thought the x1800xt had a chance in 3dmark 2001 since ATI has always been ahead in 2001! Its sad they lost even the 2001 performance crown!

I dont think we have seen any X1800XT scores with very high system speed yet, so its hard to tell who won and who lost...



Here's my X1800XT run with 3150MHz CPU speed, as you can see Nature is equal and I dont see a big difference in system scores either (clock to clock), will be interesting to see what can be done with higher CPU clock..and Win2000 and higher card clock

CompareURL to the score

[Geforce4ti4200]

wow what clocks was your x1800xt for that nature fps? While I wont predict anything, it would be interesting to see what you can do if you can get the cpu higher. When will you have the time to try to give her all shes got?

[charlie]

But CAN'T you run 2 x x1800xt's in PSEUDO-CROSSFIRE??????

I saw a review where they did it with X1300's or smthg!

C

[Apokalipse]

I dont think we have seen any X1800XT scores with very high system speed yet, so its hard to tell who won and who lost...



Here's my X1800XT run with 3150MHz CPU speed, as you can see Nature is equal and I dont see a big difference in system scores either (clock to clock), will be interesting to see what can be done with higher CPU clock..and Win2000 and higher card clock

CompareURL to the score

was that 7800 GTX setup SLI'd?

ah, either way, they beat the hell out of my systems.
my best overclock is on an Nvidia TNT2 (I'm serious)
which I got from 142 core, 150 mem to 190 core and 200 mem (air cooling)
and the score went from about 1100 to 1600 in mark01.. haha

anyway...
Nvidia has the best card for now, but we can only hope ATI does get ahead. competition is good.

[EmineM]

They compared it, for one, against the 7800gtx 256mb, not the 512mb. They also used an unreleased mobo/chipset for CF....

Now, I have no doubt CF will be good(after THIS long, it'd BETTER), but I'm not believing a word about it anymore until I see numbers, and everything Available in stores. This is specifically due to the fact that CF was launched 3 times before we finally saw a single mobo or master card....

Current word says that x1800 cf won't be available until q1 2k6, january at the earliest to be exact. So I'd guess NDA lets up 1st week of december, maybe 2nd... Sound right AAC?

Also, perkam, they use the same exact chip, so if the R520 has the cold bug, so will the master card. As for macci and sampsa and the rest, they got engineering samples, ATi probably tested thru their cards to find ones without coldbugs before giving them to those guys. It's kinda like testing 10 FX-57's to find that one that plays nicely in the cold.

Notice sampsa and macci were able to put their x1800's under sub-zero but people here like Dynasty can't even take them to -20C without it locking up.

Don't expect CF MasterCards to fix the coldbug, and even if it did it wouldn't help much as clocks have to be the same... If one card has a coldbug and the other doesn't then it's just the same as both having it. See where I'm getting at Perkam?

Finally, Hicks, not the normal GTX. The 512mb GTX vs the x1800xt. The GTX definitely gamed better, first card I've ever seen capable of throwing SSAA at anygame I tried it on!

I do not think that all ATI cards have coldbug. Specially not the new X1800 XT. I have a BBA ATI X1800XT and it can boot at -30 °C. I think its all about BIOS.

Here is my score with my ATI X1800 XT under the Mach II GT
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1486942

[Kunaak]

with no options for crossfire with these, and low availablity the first few weeks + high prices... people were just put off by the card for a few weeks.

Nvidia being smart, used this few weeks, to get thier next card out, and do it in quantity... which, when you have the option of barely being able to find a card, even if it is cheaper... against a card thats readily available... even if alittle more expensive, especially when it's a better card...

seems everyone just skipped the X1800XT and went straight to the 512 7800...

for me personally, the biggest drawback, and number 1 reason why I don't even want to consider a X1800XT... is simply cause theres no option for crossfire still...

+

I don't like the idea of getting reamed for more money, just to be able to do crossfire... especially when SLI works so damn easily.
plug two cards in, enable SLI and your ready...
no need to get screwed on one cards cost, no need to worry about being able to find a master card, thats rare... nothing.

it also doesn't help, that the DFI Crossfire board so far, is questionable at best.

basically, too much, too little, too late.

[eva2000]

oh well impusle buy for me



256MB BFG 7800GTX next to 512MB HIS X1800XT

[mR Yellow]

Nice EVA.
Can u give us some feedback?

[Hicks]

Heheh nice EVA, i could do exactly the same photo, ive still got my Gainward GS 7800GTX here.

Between the 2, the X1800XT is the much better card IMO. Ive tryed a few games breifly, FEAR, D3, and Far Cry, and the XT smokes the GTX, with AA/AF.

Benchies are pretty even, the GTX seems a lot stronger in 03, i score 500 points more in 05 from the XT though.

[perkam]

DANG !!! That's some good looking card...

Perkam

[mR Yellow]

Heheh nice EVA, i could do exactly the same photo, ive still got my Gainward GS 7800GTX here.

Between the 2, the X1800XT is the much better card IMO. Ive tryed a few games breifly, FEAR, D3, and Far Cry, and the XT smokes the GTX, with AA/AF.

Benchies are pretty even, the GTX seems a lot stronger in 03, i score 500 points more in 05 from the XT though.

Thanx Hicks. Always nice to hear from peeps who have both cards.
IMO benching means jack . Its all about gameplay!

I agree with perkam, thats one sexy card.