Anyone know what's up at PPC&C?

[vladimir]

I find it a bit odd that almost all of the PPC&C power supplies are now on their End of Life web page, including both of the 1200W models, without any announcements of replacement models.

So as the title asks; Anyone know what's up at PPC&C?

[Smellydeli]

OCZ bought them.

Thread related.

[Hondacity]

cost cutting...

[vladimir]

Well I was hoping that the sudden disappearance of PPC&C power supplies wasn't OCZ related, but maybe it is.

[Celestial Bliss]

Yea it's kinda sad.. I think Corsair has replaced PC and Power Cooling in my book... especially after that new AX professional series!

[Russ_64]

PC P&C is still going strong (as a division of OCZ) - they have now launched the Silencer Mk II range. Looks like main difference is the fan design (hopefully), not really sure if there is any difference between them and OCZ Gold Series now...... only time and a good hardware review will tell.

[Humminn55]

PC P&C is still going strong (as a division of OCZ) - they have now launched the Silencer Mk II range. Looks like main difference is the fan design (hopefully), not really sure if there is any difference between them and OCZ Gold Series now...... only time and a good hardware review will tell.

I guess going strong is what you call dumping Seasonic as their OEM manufacturer and moving to Sirfa/Sirtec as the OEM manufacturer for their new line.

From my perspective, not only is this cost cutting, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.....moving from one of the most respected OEM ps makers to one that has, at best, a history of not producing the quality of power supplies that Seasonic has.

PCP&C is becoming just a shell of its former self courtesy of OCZ....just a marketing name only.

[Russ_64]

Thanks for that info, I was not aware of the change in OEM. Their "new" MKII's look a lot like the OCZ's anyway.

[Ket]

RIP PC&C. You were a fantastic PSU manufacturer, now reduced to dross thanks to OCZ. Thats my rather bitter and long winded way of saying OCZ bought them.

[vladimir]

I finally just called PPC&C, and asked. They said that they were just out of stock of the upper end power supplies and would be getting more mid-summer. When I asked about the 1200s being moved to the End of Life section of the web site, they really didn't say much.

Well, I'm needing a new PS for a new build, and mid-summer isn't all that soon. I've been relatively happy with a Corsair HX1000 that I bought a while back. I may just have to get that new AX1200.

[Monstru]

Farewell titans of PSU's, the consumer economy finnaly caught uo with you

New PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk II series displayed at Computex...

[aztec]

Hey let's face it - the 8cm fans in the Silencer series were never that "silent" to begin with. They've needed to update at least that aspect of their designs for some time now, and PCP&C's "anti-modular" marketing BS has gone on long enough.

Fact is, there are plenty of other PSU's that are as good or better than PCP&C, and for a better price. The PSU market is very competitive.

[Ket]

Fans are easy to replace, non modular was a bit of a pain, but theres no arguing how awesome their PSUs were

[aztec]

Fans are easy to replace, non modular was a bit of a pain, but theres no arguing how awesome their PSUs were

As I said, no more awesome than several others in real-world measurements. And why should I have to replace a fairly noisy OEM fan when I've already paid premium price for a supposedly "top end" unit? Sticking with 8cm fans in higher wattage models was becoming archaic; IMO they should have updated their designs to at least 12cm long ago.

Then you had the "modular is bad" hype that has been proven false many times over. Actually, I'm glad the "old" PCP&C is gone. Yes, I know this all won't sit well with the many PCP&C fanboys here @ XS, but when the "emperor" has no clothes, sometimes you just gotta say so.

[Ket]

The others wern't iconic. PC&C were. Its always a sad day when a icon departs.

[aztec]

In that case, I'd say some were worshiping false icons.

[Monstru]

Fact is, there are plenty of other PSU's that are as good or better than PCP&C, and for a better price.

Name a few better then the Wintact builds

[Humminn55]

Name a few better then the Wintact builds

Actually, if you read closely, no one was talking about the Turbo Cools, only the Silencers.

But....better.......some Etasis, some Delta, some industrial skewed Seasonics (which is only fair for comparison because the Turbo Cools were essentially off-the-shelf server power supplies by Win-Tact.)


As for the Silencer line, since their production was entirely by Seasonic (was Sparkle at first, but moved to Seasonic years ago), almost the only thing they had going for them was very, very low ripple/noise and good voltage regulation. But both those qualities have been at least matched and sometimes surpassed by many other brands......Antec's Signatures, Corsair's HX and now AX lines, Seasonic's M12D and X-Series, Enermax Revo lines, XFX's Black Edition line, and on and on.

Sad that PCP&C allowed themselves to get gutted like it is being done, but then again, it's their own fault. No one made PCP&C sell out to OCZ.

And if anyone seriously thought OCZ wouldn't make wholesale cost cutting changes to PCP&C's lineup as soon as "old" stock was depleted, which it has, I've got several bridges and a lot of land I'd gladly sell you cheap.

[Ket]

In that case, I'd say some were worshiping false icons.

Nah. with the exception of a couple newcomers best brands on anyones list would of been;

PC&C
Tagan
Enermax
Seasonic

and to a slightly lesser extent;

Antec
Hyper
Coolermaster
Mushkin

Good job Corsair has stepped up and XFX seem to be creating quite the tidal wave with their PSUs

[Monstru]

Actually, if you read closely, no one was talking about the Turbo Cools, only the Silencers.

Actually, you might have some awesome psychic skills, because you see sings I do not. No, we were talking about PC P&C in general, not Silencers only.

Etasis, some Delta, industrial Seasonics, and Zippy /Emacs (you forgot about them) are on the same level as Wintact builds, but the TurboCool was the only consumer available product. I've been visiting Zippy and Etasis this year in Cebit and Computex also, they have dozens of server 1U/4U etc PSu's on display and only one ATX model. So yeah, these are on the same level, but not consumer branded. Recte, not too much consumer PSU;s out there that can take on a TurboCool. That was what PC P&C was about.

As far as the Silencers are concerned, they were some pretty damn good Seasonics tested for industrial compliance (50 oC continuous functioning, etc). And as good as Signature's or HX's might be, I see no Chroma report in their package, I see no warranty for the same levels of use the Silencers had, and pretty much I do not see MrGuru putting them higher on the shelf them Silencers, so your point is, well, a personal opinion and nothing more. But hey, don't worry about that, they managed to f...k up the Silencers with the new Mk II series, so PC P&C legend is kinda over now.

[aztec]

@ Monstru - in your zeal to fanboy over PCP&C, you missed the fact that I was indeed talking mainly of the Silencer line, since they're the consumer level models, and somewhat near the price range as the other's mentioned.

@ Ket - I said other competitors are equal or better, so PCP&C's consumer models certainly IMO no better than many of those in most measured respects.

The problem I had with "old" PCP&C is the archaic cooling scheme of the Silencer's and their penchant for over-hyping "benefits" of non-modular designs. A lot of people fell for it.

[Ket]

I have a affinity for PC&C just because I remember them in their prime when they kicked out a series of PSUs that not only set the bar for quality standards but also raised it. I will miss them *tear*

[Humminn55]

Actually, you might have some awesome psychic skills, because you see sings I do not. No, we were talking about PC P&C in general, not Silencers only.

Etasis, some Delta, industrial Seasonics, and Zippy /Emacs (you forgot about them) are on the same level as Wintact builds, but the TurboCool was the only consumer available product. I've been visiting Zippy and Etasis this year in Cebit and Computex also, they have dozens of server 1U/4U etc PSu's on display and only one ATX model. So yeah, these are on the same level, but not consumer branded. Recte, not too much consumer PSU;s out there that can take on a TurboCool. That was what PC P&C was about.

As far as the Silencers are concerned, they were some pretty damn good Seasonics tested for industrial compliance (50 oC continuous functioning, etc). And as good as Signature's or HX's might be, I see no Chroma report in their package, I see no warranty for the same levels of use the Silencers had, and pretty much I do not see MrGuru putting them higher on the shelf them Silencers, so your point is, well, a personal opinion and nothing more. But hey, don't worry about that, they managed to f...k up the Silencers with the new Mk II series, so PC P&C legend is kinda over now.

As aztec mentioned, the conversation was going to Silencers, hence my mention of Silencers, not Turbo-Cools.....no psychic ability needed.

As for the differences between Silencers and others....

Chroma report....so what. That's a nice addition, granted, but not exactly necessary.

Warranty....Antec has 5 years, Corsair has 7 years, Seasonic has 5 years. All are as long as PCP&C's warranty length when they came out. PCP&C, as you know, lengthened their warranty on Silencers to 7 years after Corsair offered the same.

Shelf placement? Not sure what that means....maybe the misguided tier rankings? Don't put much stock into tiers as neither does JonnyGuru.....the tier list has been long abandoned at that website due to it being irrelevant.


I'll grant you PCP&C sold very good power supplies, but PCP&C had its share of screwups, like all companies suffer at one time or another.

And their myths, while typically founded on a kernel of truth, were just expanded to the point of ridiculous in many cases. Trapped power on rails and modular cables being evil are two of the more egregious examples.

But you have to hand it to PCP&C.....their marketing years ago was pretty much second to none. How else can you explain turning a power supply with horrible rail distribution, the original iteration of the Turbo Cool 1kw power supply, into the whole single rail is the only way to do it philosophy? And then getting the masses to swallow it, hook, line, and sinker?

(FYI.....the original Turbo Cool 1kw had three +12V rails: 16A, 16A, and 36A for +12V1, +12V2, and +12V3. The first two were dedicated to the ATX/EPS connector and the 24-pin motherboard connectors. That left +12V3 for every other connector in the computer, Molex, SATA, and PCI-e connectors. This isn't exactly a well designed rail distribution at all, and problems began to crop up when people began to SLI/Crossfire with that power supply and under heavy loads would shut down due to OCP kicking in on the +12V3 rail being overloaded. Of course, the proper way would have been to redistribute the +12V3 into two other rails, but PCP&C "fixed" the problem using a simpler and cheaper method.....one single rail and no OCP. Then the myth was generated about single rail power supplies being "better" and the marketing campaign began.....)

[aztec]

How could I forget the "Single Rail is GOD!!" mantra of PCP&C (and frankly, a few others who jumped on that marketing bandwagon too)?? LOL! Any enthusiast with two brain cells to rub should have known better.

And, I guess if you don't mind a PSU that (as jonnyguru said about the Silencer 910): "For something with a name like "Silencer," this unit was as loud as hell's own air conditioner. It drowned out no less than seven other fans running at the same time in the hot tests,...", and a big wad of unused and non-detachable cables, then yes, some of the Silencers showed very good ripple, volt reg. under load/heat, and efficiency numbers.

But again, no better in the important measurements or parts specs than many others of the day. PCP&P were milking their good rep in server PSU's to the consumer side for as long as they could.

That's why I never saw them as an "icon". I saw them as just another BS marketing-driven company, so I never purchased any of their products.

[Monstru]

@ Monstru - in your zeal to fanboy over PCP&C, you missed the fact that I was indeed talking mainly of the Silencer line, since they're the consumer level models, and somewhat near the price range as the other's mentioned.

Hey, caught in the act, I am a PC P&C fanboy, and I have no problem admitting that And maybe I didn't read the whole post carefully, since I was under the impression we are discussing PCP, not just Silencers. Maybe you are kind enough to qute yhe post where you were mentioning this.

Anyway, just as much as I am a PCP fanboy, you are a PCP hater, and your opinions are nothing more then personal thoughts based on no solid proof.

PCP&C's consumer models certainly IMO no better than many of those in most measured respects.

TurboCool was a consumer series. There are only a few other consumer PSU's that can match that, and none of them was mentioned here (actually most of them are probably EOL due to really high manufacturing cost).

Hey, in the end I care to little about theory and speculation, since I see the single rail, bla bla rail are beeing discussed here, and I also see a lot of hatred to a great company. Al I know is that I need good PSU's for my work, and only few PSU's ever came close to PCP for what I am doing. If you now better then that, my regards to you guys.