News for TCCD Enthusiasts

[ryanpgroovy]

I have been away from the forums for sometime , however I noted that regardless of the fact that we were passing on the savings of TCC5 chips to consumers while not redcuing performance there was still a large contingent of users , most of whom are here on XS , who begged and insisted , both in Email and PM to me that OCZ release a TCCD based product again , regardless of the cost increase , again and again I was told people are willing to spend the extra money , though it seemed nonsense to me as the performance was the same

After contemplating this for sometime it occured to me that even though I wanted to please end users by making the tccd product they so badly wanted I would feel horrible producing a product with no perfomance advantage over tcc5 , so finaly last week I decided that we would release a TCCD based product with a new testing and binning proceedure we have been working on , to maximize the value to end users and simply dispose of the large amount of failed chips in our standard Pc-3200 Rev 3 chips , that way bargain hunters buying the cheap stuff might find a suprise and end users demanding TCCD would get not only tccd , but a new higher speed grade of TCCD


I hope that this really serves the needs of the comunity as a whole


The new product is going to be named PC-4800 Platinum Elite edition and is being tested with significant built in overhead and dual speced of 2-2-2 @ 3200 and 2.5-4-4-8 @ 4800, this product should have some increased performance over the current 4800 as we are increasing the test spec above the normal 4800 , the failed tccd will only go into our very low end product
Pc-3200 Performance rev 3 and PC-3200 gold C2

Anyway , I hope this is a step to provide what everyone needs ,
Thanks
Ryan

[Shadowmage]

Wow nice RAM!

Got a price estimate?

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Are you guys stealing names from ATI? Lol "platinum elite"

[Charles Wirth]

Thanks Ryan

Looking forward to users feedback and results from testing.

[gundamit]

The new product is going to be named PC-4800 Platinum Elite edition and is being tested with significant built in overhead and dual speced of 2-2-2 @ 3200 and 2.5-4-4-8 @ 4800, this product should have some increased performance over the current 4800 as we are increasing the test spec above the normal 4800 ,

vs. 2.5-4-4-10 on the OCZ6001024ELDCPE-K? Both products are guaranteed to be run 1T yes? Price a bit higher than the $260 we're seeing on the older PC4800 product?

[justwOo]

It's great that a big company like OCZ listens to the end consumer with such intent, even if we are ignorant

[bachus_anonym]

Ryan,

Nice to see you comimg forward with another product and meeting users' demands

Do you think there's a chance we could see DDR600 6-3-3-2.5-1T with those sticks, stable (not only memtest, I mean...)?

[andyOCZ]

Sounds like a great idea to me. Good job Ryan!

[ryanpgroovy]

As far as how good the results shold be you will have to give me some more time to review the testing proceedure , I will post back when I get a chance

basicaly so far the idea was just to speed grade it using newer techniques than used with the current PC-4800 offering which uses TCC5 thereby allowing a improved product , I did not get the final results from the testing of the first batch yet




We also intend to do more in the future and are working on some fantasic new stuff as always , we are now even getting some very important overclocking ICONs involved in the development of our products ,

[harpyboy]

how long more b4 it will be available ?? and ofcoz how much ????

im anxious

[Eldonko]

Sounds great Ryan, I am excited to see the new products. Do you have any timeline estimates?

[gundamit]

It's great that a big company like OCZ listens to the end consumer with such intent, even if we are ignorant

[ryanpgroovy]

It should be Released today , and ship to stores tomorow , putting it on shelves with in 2-3 days

the cost will be higher than the standard PC-4800 product , which uses the lower cost Tcc5 chips

[Entity_Razer]

HOLY BANANAS THATS QUICK

[perry_78]

HOLY BANANAS THATS QUICK

Indeed! Nice to see OCZ do great work. Can't wait to pick a pair up in the FS section

Only place I buy my hardware nowadays...

Nightwish are good

[metro.cl]

nice i just dont like the part of higher price, i dont think the tcc5 parts went down on price significantly.

[xgman]

Lets see how they do. Their competition in the top end TCCD lines isn't exactly at bargain pricing.

[fatfreepork]

awesome news!

[amrgb]

This is good news. Unfortunately I'm not in the DDR market anymore.

But hasn't OCZ supposedly moved from TCCD to TCC5 because TCCD was no longer available?

Never mind, I guess that no one even remember the "end of TCCD story".

[ryanpgroovy]

We moved to TCC5 becuase it was cheaper and more easily available , with the same performance as tccd , TCCD are expensive becuase they are hard to get ,

nonetheless people keep begging for them , so as long as we can get them we will keep making the products people want

[amrgb]

If you can disclose that kind of info, what week code are the TCCD chips used on this new memory? 5xx?

It will be interesting to comapre 5xx TCCD with 5xx TCC5. Maybe you (among others) are right and 5xx TCCD is just as good as TCC5 but weaker than 440 TCCD (regarding 2.5-3-3 performance).

Look forward to see some results

[ryanpgroovy]

I dont think 440 TCCD were that good in the first place , the best tccd I have seen were about 419 , people who are comparing week codes based on small sample lots are bound to get strange results though , you really need to be testing 10K unit or larger sample lots of each week code of untested chips to get any idea which are better

basicaly with week 440 there were a huge amount of chips made that week and released by samsung all in a short period of time, so some people with great results are bound to have week 440

The testing I have seen on forums are of already speed graded chips , with the worst units removed the results change a great deal

that being said just about all the samsung chips we are using now are newwer week codes 515 + many of which have much better yeild than we had with week 440-505

[amrgb]

I understand your manufacturer point of view. 440 is weaker on average, but the top 1% is very good. 5xx is the other way round. The higher yields are good news from a price/profit point of view.

But from my point of view (and I think that many people around here will share it) what's important is how good are the top modules, the higher binned ones.

That's what I would like to see, a comparison between your 4800 product with 5xx TCCD and other high binned memories with 440 TCCD (like mines, for example).

Thanks for the info.

[bachus_anonym]

I really want to see how those new PC4800 fare @ 6-3-3-2.5-1T.
We've Gskill PC4400LE, (not mentioning PC4800FF), Geil UltraX PC3200 and even latest A-DATA Vitesta PC4800 doing SuperPi 32M @ DDR600-DDR610 6-3-3-2.5-1T.

I really hope that those sticks will keep up with 'em. It would be kind of required if they will sell for ~$300...

[4rory]

Hmm, nice to see tccd is still around, interesting how the tccd is going strait to the very highend pc-4800 "with lots of headroom" and will have still carry 2-2-2-5 at 200mhz.

[ryanpgroovy]

Actaully I am saying that you have seen more good440's because there are more 440s on the market than any other week code I know of, and overall the performance has improved more or less as the time has went on , with a few really bad week codes mixed in.

and when I mean good I dont just mean yield at slow speeds , I mean yield at above 600Mhz also

440 was a good week code , but there are other better week codes out there 520 , 419 , ect You have to have a huge sampling to tell , some week codes were produced in such a low number that no one has ever seen them

As far as people hitting 600+ at 2.5-3-3 , I would say its a decent bet with these new parts , we did not test the batch at 2.5-3-3- above 600 , but we did test them at 2.5-4-3 1T above 600 and had good results


Maybe if we see enough requests in forums we can do an extremely limited run of 600Mhz at 2.5-3-3 speced parts


one note to remeber is not all tccd/tcc5 do both 2-2-2 @ 3200 and 2.5-4-3 @ 4800 many that fail the 2-2-2 spec can still clock far above 600