have no idea. i've already seen corsair use tcc5 chips like months and months ago. if they do move to tcc5, im guessing there will be another revision numberOriginally Posted by BlackDragon24
have no idea. i've already seen corsair use tcc5 chips like months and months ago. if they do move to tcc5, im guessing there will be another revision number
[QUOTE=ryanpgroovy]We never kept it a secret , AMRGB , Why do you keep saying that
its been posted in every major forum and the revision numbers are plainly listed on every OCZ label[QUOTE]
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So please give me the links to these official statements more than a few days-old from OCZ reps that OCZ Plat Rev2 use TCC5. In that case I think I owe you apologies for that one.
That is not the problem, since mine clocked fairly well (except for a faulty stick)
[QUOTE=ryanpgroovy]What exactly is your beef ? If you are trying to get help with overclocking your ram you sure have an odd way of going about it. We help everyone that ever has an issue , and that is why OCZ charges a premium for our products.[QUOTE]
Two objectives here. To spread the word that Plat Rev2 is not TCCD anymore (I wish someone started a thread like this one before i bought my sticks). And to get some TCC5 results, which until now I get close to none.
[QUOTE=ryanpgroovy]Your theory that somehow we are trying to screw over customers is plainly wrong [QUOTE]
You are only screwing customers if you are hiding thefact that Plat Rev2 uses TCC5. Once again if you show me old threads stating this fact, I owe you apologies.
And please I would like to put it clear that I do not want to be favoured in my RMA, I haven't contacted any OCZ rep or even e-mailed anyone at OCZ to achieve that objective. I only want people to know what they are buying.
Also money is not the problem. I bought OCZ because I thought it was one of the best memory manufacturers, and I bought Plat Rev2 hoping to get top memory. If I become unsatisfied with my replacement sticks I will buy other ones and throw these ones to a corner (or offer them to anyone). But I cannot afford to buy another kit without being sure of what I'm getting. I'm sick of that. And with OCZ I cannot be sure. In the future I will only buy memory without heatspreaders.
Once again, that is all about info. That is supposed to be the main function of this forum.
Last edited by amrgb; 05-23-2005 at 02:47 PM.
maybe I should pop the heatspreaders on my PC4800 and see if its TCCD or TCC5.
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Originally Posted by amrgb
No, do what for example GSkill do. Show what IC's we are paying for. Plain and simple. If GSkill sticks don't burn without heatspreaders, I don't think OCZ ones will burn.
who are you to demand this from them?
if they put heatspreaders on their sticks for whatever reason then thats their decision, if you dont like it then dont buy them.[QUOTE]
I'm a customer. Isn't it enough. And I might consider your recomendation.
If money wasn't an issue, and if you wanted RESULTS, why not get guaranteed results, PC5000?
I don't really understand. I always figured the general consensus believed that overclocking was always some form of luck, and to buy 3200 spec memory and believe that they would achieve 40-50% OC is ridiculous.
At a point, OCZ wasn't binning their TCCD/5, so it would be pure luck. At this point, there are several binning stages, meaning that if the chips appear good, they get bumped up a stage. Not to say that the 3200 is garbage, but literally speaking its the bottom of the binning of the tccd/5. To expect super OC while buying the 3200 spec is somewhat ridiculous in my mind.
Once again, if you were to buy the premium Top of the Line super super pc5000 or whatever, and achieve something under spec, your complaints would seem justified.
Where could I find OCZ PC5000 back in February? Nowhere.
the 3200 platinum is almost the same price as the 4800 and 5000 and most stores have 3200 in stock and not 4800 or 5000 so I bought 3200 thinking it was just as good. Why has nobody before this said 4800 and 5000 was TCC5. Not that OCZ has to tell what it is under the spreader but the 3200 had a reputation but if the TCC5 was clocking higher than TCCD you would think right at the start they would say, hey we have TCC5 running at 300+ fsb and now the 3200 is TCC5.
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Im not going to stir things up here but I seem to remember telling you all TCCD was going the way of the DODO...NO ONE beleived me...even Nate from legit tried to prove me wrong when in fact i was 100% on the money
Now Samsung moved on, they produced a new part based on the TCCD die called TCC5, they didn't bother to bin it quite as well as TCCD but thats where OCZ or Corsair or gskill or "who ever" comes in as we bin it higher for you. Now if you buy 3200Plat its warranted to do 2-2-2...we look after customers at OCZ and if you are having issues getting 2-2-2 we usually leave every one happy
Now if those same IC's are binned for 300fsb+ we can still give you all a PC4800 part..if they don't do spec come talk to us.
To finish, i have been reading a lot of posts lately and it seems FSB speeds are coming down, this may be chipset yield, CPU memory controller or even general board quality thats at blame, but I know the boards and CPU's OCZ use to bin the parts are pretty reliable, its not always the ram to blame...even bios files can be a HTT killer.
I really can't see what all the upset is here, if you want TCCD then you need to look for old stock; nearly everyone has moved onto TCC5 and its hitting the same speeds just as well.
Edit...been asked to clarify 1 point, TCC5 has been out a long while, maybe actually longer than TCCD. The point I was trying to make is we beleive sammy moved over to the TCCD die to produce this part as yield is the same as the TCCD we all love.
Last edited by Tony; 05-23-2005 at 03:54 PM.
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I dont think this is as big a deal as everyone is thinking.... everyone is thinking that because of this OCZ has ripped them off. This is going to almost make no difference in the performance of your machine.
Guys I am not understanding these rants against OCZ. They are without a doubt my favorite company to deal with. I'll give you my examples:
I purchased some pc3500 plat limited edition bh5. They were not exactly the best sticks of ram but they did do as advertised. I asked a bunch of questions to the OCZ reps around the web and they tried to answer and help me everytime I asked.
I next purchased some pc3700eb sticks. Again they worked as advertised however when I moved to AMD they just did not seem to overclock as high as I wanted them to. I again asked a bunch of questions and once again every question was answered. Bigtoe even responded to one of my questions while he was on vacation. How many other reps from companies would take any time away from their vacations to help someone out?
So I then said screw it and purchased some pc5000 sticks. Once again I was not blown away but they definitely worked as advertised. Right now I am at 270 2.5-3-3-6. I am asking questions and am slowly but surely going to tweak these suckers to their max. That is the fun of overclocking guys. Finding the limits of your hardware.
I have not had the greatest of luck with my ram but I can say that I will most likely stay with OCZ for all my ram purchases. You pay extra for customer support and that is where OCZ really shines IMO.
And once again as I always do when OCZ reps are hanging out. Can I have a job? Pretty please.
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LOL i wouldnt mind a job with OCZ either!!!!
As I mentioned in my post, which you clearly have not read, is that which part of OCZ said they will ONLY use TCCD on their platinum pc3200 rev2? does the website say it? NO. if the reps said it, then that's because tccd was used AT THAT TIME AND NOT FOREVER. Get the point. no one is screwing anyone over anything. stop crying about something just because you cant get a good overclock. it's already been proven that it's not the memory. tcc5 is just as good as tccd. does ocz have to say what chips are being used for their memory? NO. all they have to do is guarantee that the ocz memory you buy runs at rated specs.
I totally agree.
If you bought a Corvette and asked for the hottest engine painted blue and got agreat deal on one that had the same hot engine painted red, would you complain. That's about the extent of the difference between TCC5 and TCCD AFTER BINNING; binning done by BY OCZ before assemly onto the PCB.
The chips are the same die, If we wanted to "rip" anyone off, we could cover the markings on the chips, or beter yet remark them. We know you guys look under the heatspreaders, and we are always truthful with you anyway.
i know, you didnt act up, but it sounded to me as if everybody who complained about a bad oc would get some new tcc5.Ummm, no offense meant here (Im a newb here), but I think the reason Andy was being so nice is because I had already talked to ryan in this thread, and since I wasn't being one of the "jerks", they were more than willing to help me out. If anything the willingness of these gentlemen to participate in this thread is a testament to their devotion to customer satisfaction. So the message may be, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar
sorry if i offended you or anybody else
tony posted about it 6 weeks ago here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...cc5#post809026
sorry but thats what your posts sound likeI hope that OCZ doesn't send me those crappy sticks with the sticker because if they do I will gently return those sticks to them together with a nice letter explainin why I will NEVERmore buy an OCZ product
as a customer you cant demand something like this, you can ask for it, but not demand.
come on, its not like you bought the ocz 3200 because there was no higher binned tccd available!
if money isnt an issue as you said yourself then you could have gotten 4800.
Last edited by saaya; 05-23-2005 at 05:26 PM.
Just finished reading this whole thread, and apart from supporting OCZ and their *brilliant* support to the community, i'd just like to say something about a post a couple of pages back where ryan or andy said responed to someone talking about the price of 3200 el plats. $190 it may be in the US, which is 135 euro, but please try and tell that to all the european and UK retailers, his resaler is gouging??!?! The cheapest a dual pack of 3200 plats can be purchased in the UK is £160 = 233 euro = $292.
And I do think that OCZ should have made it more known that they were moving over to TCC5. You say you like this forum? How did you manage to miss the glairing omissions in the two/three ram chip listing threads?????? The only answer could be that you thought that less people would buy your ram if they knew it was unlikley to use TCCD. Sure your totaly within you rights, but as you keep saying your totaly commited to customer saticfaction and the community, why would you allow people to buy this ram knowing that thay were thinking they were getting TCCD?
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i think you still missed the point. i think they didnt say anything about using tcc5 instead of tccd (as well as any other memory manufacturer btw) because there isnt really a difference between tcc5 and tccd.
from my understanding samsung was binning the same memory chips either as tccc tcc5 or tccd depending on what timings and speeds they would run, right?
samsung is slowly reducing their tccd production, but this only means they no longer sell chips labeled as tccd. the only thing that is changing is that samsung does less extensive speed binning and sells most chips as tcc5 wich arent tested for as high speeds and as tight timings as tccd was binned at. so most chips that are now sold as tcc5 would have been rated and sold as tccd just some weeks ago.
now its ocz and all the memory manufacturers who speed bin the chips they buy wich probably means theres a wider range in clockspeeds, and that the low end sticks dont oc as well as they used to do when they were using tccd.
i hope somebody from ocz can back this up or correct me if im wrong.
so afaik thats why ocz and no other memory manufacturer said something about this "different" chip they use. it isnt really a different chip...
I read a thread here a while back that said OCZ was moving to TCC5 as TCCD was no longer being made. They also said that the pc5000 was TCC5. I dont see the other manufacturers shouting out that they are using TCC5 modules. Why are you not yelling at them. This thread is ridiculous and getting worse. It should be closed. OCZ just so you know you are very much appreciated around here. Just because a few knuckleheads are whining does not mean that the XS community does not appreciate everything you guys do.
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I resent that. I read XS almost constantly, how have I managed to miss this if OCZ are 'Shouting it out' ?Just because a few knuckleheads
Saaya:
I see your point, that they are basicaly the same chips, just less intensivly binned by samsung, but by your own admission that means that after the next set of binnings they are less likley to overclock well. And as stated, if OCZ new this and wanted to support the community then they would have made it more known.
Please take my comments in a light hearted way, I'm not trying to attack OCZ as being a crappy company at all. OCZ are one of the best companies out there in terms of there customer and community support, my comments are just speculation on an interesting issue.
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