New OCZ 3200 EL Plat Rev2 = TCC5?

[andyOCZ]

@ryanpgroovy:

I was under the impression that an RMA was not possible....after all these sticks I have work great at advertised timings (2-2-2-5 @ 200) and pretty tight timings (see sig) all the way up to 250fsb. I guess the main reason I am so upset is that I paid almost $290 for these sticks 2 1/2 months ago, when now the price has come down to $185.

So is an RMA actually possible here? I mean it'll be great if Ryder can get me up and running at 275thtt and above but if I can't am I actually able to RMA them?

I have heard that the TCC5 are much easier to get to tun 2-2-2...I have also heard that they are actually specd for ddr466 rather than ddr500...can you comment on that?

Thanks

BD24

Hi, the answer to that is that we normally won't RMA anyone that can't hit 275mhz with PC3200. That would be unheard of anywhere in the industry. We want you to prove for us that TCC5 kicks booty and that no one needs to worry. So sure, we will RMA you you. You like to post and I'm sure you will let everyone know what the real story is on TCC5 (whatever you find). Coming form you is better for many guys than coming form me or Ryan. We are ALWAYS straight up with you guys. Hey, we love XS and you all buy lots of our products. We do the best we can with what is available and stand behind alll of our products 1000%. You all know this.

Email me brother and we will get your rockin'.

[JNav89GT]

Agreed.

Why make TCCD when it's more expensive than TCC5? Why have the top quality products have TCCD?

I think OCZ should have a done a better job with what they allowed people to think. It's their right to change the product but then they should have let it become widely known faster. They should send their new baches of ram out to all the places that they advertise their reviews from. That becomes really misleading.

But then, Hats off to the awsome tech support OCZ provides.

This is flawed logic. If the part meets the advertised spec than why is any manufacturer obliged to disclose which IC they use. This might give their competition an unfair advantage. Just b/c the end user assumes the IC's are TCCD doesn't give them the right to complain when they are not. The ability of the modules to continue to overclock VERY WELL, should bode well for them and despite the postings you see on this forum about 300+ TCCD runnings, this is IMO the EXCEPTION and not the rule.

I guess we should all petition AMD/Intel to let us RMA our cpus if they change steppings, or don't overclock to our exptectations.

[metro.cl]

one quick question is tcc5 better than tcc4??


p.d. ocz should have announced the change in a big way , all of this problems wouldnt be here, if you act like competition (the bad one) you wont be "ocz" anymore and other would take your place in the memory market. I still this tccd is better than tcc5, maybe the newer tcc5 are better but tcc5 is been out before tccd an didnt make such a big impact

also people is talking about average tcc5 i might get ddr800 at 2-2-2 but that wold be 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 so thats not any proobe

[BlackDragon24]

Its unofficial , but we always try to go the extra mile to help our customers

Thats what OCZ is all about :-)


TCC5 and TCCD speed bin out the same. I mean the same percentage pass for each speed grade , the only diference is tcc5 are a bit cheaper and more readily avaible on the market , this allow us to pass on the savings to the consumer

I'm glad to hear it....I really wouldn't be compaining if I hadn't paid almost $300 for this pair of dimms 2 months ago. Figured because it cost so much it had to be TCCD....So much for that theory. Now I wish I could start over and I'd just buy the pc-4800 or the pc-5000 dfi dimms....I don't really care one way or the other if it is TCCD or TCC5 just that it will do what every review out there says TCCD will do.

Anyways I'll be working out timings with Ryder later on and will post back....maybe there is a magic memory setting for TCC5 in the dfi boards that I haven't run across yet

Is there actually a way to cross-reference the revision/serial numbers against a database to determine if the chips we have really are TCCD?

[andyOCZ]

This is flawed logic. If the part meets the advertised spec than why is any manufacturer obliged to disclose which IC they use. This might give their competition an unfair advantage. Just b/c the end user assumes the IC's are TCCD doesn't give them the right to complain when they are not. The ability of the modules to continue to overclock VERY WELL, should bode well for them and despite the postings you see on this forum about 300+ TCCD runnings, this is IMO the EXCEPTION and not the rule.

I guess we should all petition AMD/Intel to let us RMA our cpus if they change steppings, or don't overclock to our exptectations.

That gets 4 ass-slaps

[andyOCZ]

I'm glad to hear it....I really wouldn't be compaining if I hadn't paid almost $300 for this pair of dimms 2 months ago. Figured because it cost so much it had to be TCCD....So much for that theory. Now I wish I could start over and I'd just buy the pc-4800 or the pc-5000 dfi dimms....I don't really care one way or the other if it is TCCD or TCC5 just that it will do what every review out there says TCCD will do.

Anyways I'll be working out timings with Ryder later on and will post back....maybe there is a magic memory setting for TCC5 in the dfi boards that I haven't run across yet

Is there actually a way to cross-reference the revision/serial numbers against a database to determine if the chips we have really are TCCD?

See my post above.

There is no way to tell with the heatsreader on. Sorry and be careful not to void your warranty.

[AlterBridge86]

We do use TCC5 completely interchangably with TCCD

That means the PC-5300, PC-5000 and PC-4800 platnium are using tcc5 also
in fact all PC-4800 use tcc5

so all the reviews of those products are with tcc5

PC-5300 ??? Have yet to see that anywhere..not even on the OCZ site...was that just an example or is that a forthcoming product?

[ryanpgroovy]

all PC-4800 and 5000 are tcc5 and PC-3200 rev 2 with a version1.1 are tcc5

[saaya]

TCC5 is not up to par with TCCD and everyone buying Plat Rev2 was thinked they were buying TCCD.

what if your sticks would be tccd but just tccd that doesnt oc very well?
get what i mean? how can you blame ocz for selling sticks that might oc worse than previous sticks?
their sticks still oc pretty well and i think you should calm down.
your not going to get your memory replaced with tccd, your only causing ocz reps a headache and make them think twice about supporting the communities the way they are atm if they get a feedback like this!

thanks for responding tastefully amrgb - i understand where your coming from and I'd feel the same as you if we begin to see a lot of poor TCC5 results coming in, OCZ should immediately either announce that they have changed IC's and they may or may not clock as well OR release a new revision so that there will be NO confusion. I've not personally played with any TCC5 sticks but I have had my share of "poor-performing" TCCD...and i know it sucks...but i'm just saying sh*t happens because at this point i haven't seen enough TCC5 results - so lets get them rolling in and we can make a better judgement on the new IC's.

ocz already did anounce that the new 3200 plat is tcc5 :P

In about 6 months time, DDR2 will be fully adopted by AMD as well, and tight timings ram will be all that's left of DDR.

what do you mean with fully adopted? in 6months we might see first ddr2 amd plattforms ,but i wouldnt call that fully adopted... ddr1 will be around for a year at least.

And I repeat what I've said in the other post: post superpi32M pics at those speeds. nobody at XS will look at those pics as a stability proof. Everyone knows that memtest is not a good indicator of memory stability. Many 24hours memtest stable settings fail even with a Superpi32M run, not mention OCCT or Prime95 (I personally don't like Prime95, but that's another story).

geez, what do you expect? most of those high tccd ocs arent 100% stable either, so compare apples to apples, compare spi32m to spi32m and prime to prime and mem68 to mem68...

I'd really like to see a look on someone's face, who has been saving a long time for some high-quality RAM and in the end, it turns out that it was all for nothin. Imagine yourself in our skin, how would you feel about it? 260 DDR520 is the MAX i can get out of this RAM on a DFI nF4, no matter what. I could've bought UTT, for half the price! Why should OCZ, by fooling customers, get their money THIS easy? 'Don't whine' u say, yeah.. From the other side it always seems 'no big deal'..
I've spent around 240 EUR for a bunch of OCZ's TCC5 crap.. The performance (+oc potential) for this money is just HILARIOUS!

sorry, but if you bought 3200 memory hoping for 4800 speeds then you cant blame anybody else if you dont get it.
i hope you learned your lesson that theres a reason why speed ratings exist.

@Tjj
What bios are you running on the DFI?

see this? despite all your mud throwing hes still offering help!

@RyderOCZ
I would like to see my good stick come back home (preferentially with a good clocker buddy)

how bold can you get?
now who is trying to ripp who off?
you do realize that your asking him to send you a stick that runs faster than what you paid for your original stick, right?

yes, we all know that ocz sticks are great overclockers but thats a bonus! you pay for the rating and nothing more! remember when everybody received cbble and cbbid a64 chips and they wouldnt oc above 2,4ghz?
did anybody blame amd for chaging something in their process or cpu design?

I hope that OCZ doesn't think like you do.

LOL, hes the CEO of ocz

Come on, stop being the devil's lawyer. I haven't seen that kind of arguments from OCZ reps. And you should know that PC4800 TCCD does not mean that it's better than PC3200 2-2-2-5 TCCD. Only good TCCD can do tight timings. High clocks is relatively easy. I had a faulty stick capable of 275 2.5-3-3-6 and not 2-2-2-5. The good stick was capable of both 2-2-2-5@ 200 and 2.5-3-3-6@290's and 2.5-4-3-8@310's. That is why the 3200 Plat rev2's were more expensive than OCZ PC4800 sticks in some places (for exemple at my local reseller).

What do you guys want? That we shut our mouth up for the next costumer to buy TCC5 for TCCD? One week ago almost anyone know this fact. Now, at least XS, DFI-Street and Bleedinedge forum readers know what they will get for their money.

and what do you mean with devils lawyer?
ocz is offering great memory that has a nice extra headroom, you guys complaining about that free extra speed not beeing enough are really going too far!

and from what ive seen there is tccd that reaches high speeds with 2.5-x-x and doesnt run 2-2-2 as well, from what i know its not possible to say how a stick will perform at high speeds if it runs 2-2-2 timings at a certain speed.
ive sen sticks that do 240+ 2-2-2 but didnt do 300mhz no matter the timings.

No, do what for example GSkill do. Show what IC's we are paying for. Plain and simple.

If GSkill sticks don't burn without heatspreaders, I don't think OCZ ones will burn.

who are you to demand this from them?
if they put heatspreaders on their sticks for whatever reason then thats their decision, if you dont like it then dont buy them.

if you want a 2.4ghz a64 chip then buy a 2.4ghz a64 chip and dont buy a 1.8ghz chip and freak out because it doesnt do 2.4ghz...

Its not like people who have tccd always imeadaitely overclock to 300Mhz or whatever , regardless of what you might have read on forums

exactly! ive seen people who couldnt get their tccd above 270 with 2.5-3-3... and i dont think they were limited by the memory controller on the cpu, not all tccd clocks to 300mhz, and i dont think there are more than 20 sticks wordlwide that do 300mhz 2.5-3-3 totally stable.

Why is this thread pising of so many people?

because your incredibly disrespectfull towards ocz and act really unfriendly and provoking? want an example?

Use your brains and think once in a while.

If was not for people like us, things like that would remain secret for a long time.

yes, your the hero of the day, now please stop your ranting.

The Kosmic71 post reflects almost to 100% what I think about this story. Maybe the others can listen him. OCZ took profit of the Plat Rev2 reputation. They cannot change their product without warning and expect that costumers do nothing.

they should have made it more obvious that its a new chip, i agree on that, but thats up to them...

Legally I do not have nothing to complain (one of my sticks won't do 2-2-2-5@200 and I send it to RMA, but that is not the question). But I feel that I have the moral right to complain and I want others to know that Plat Rev2 is not TCCD anymore. A week ago I didn't know that. Yesterday OCZ has announced it. That's the difference.

complaining is one thing, but theres no need to freak out like this and start a mudfight like this! and ocz has anounced this earlier but unfortunately most people havent been aware of it.

This is quite irritating, spending your money for a quality product and getting crap instead, in a shiny cover.

hows it crap? 3200 that does 260mhz is not what i would call crap... and face it, it IS 3200 memory!

Yes, OCZ has done a lot of things for the community. Don't get me wrong, it's a great company - but i simply can't tolerate this. OCZ has hidden this change from it's customers, i consider this cheating. Like i've said many times before, i feel, like i've been fooled and it really happened this way.
It's like getting a 'Daewoo' product with a colorful SONY sticker on it.

it seems most people didnt know that the new memory line is tcc5 based, and i hope it will be made more clear the next time they change ics, but even then its possible a new batch of the SAME ics clocks worse than a previous batch and the latest sticks oc worse. dont you realize that its just plain ridiculous to complain about this?

"Get over it, it's life" - i would really like to see you in my pants.

well im sure he would either buy a higher rated set or he wouldnt complain about getting "only" an over 25% oc out of his memory.

again, ocz didnt ripp you off and you didnt lose any money, but you didnt get as much of a free bonus in clockspeed as you had hoped for.

i hope that ocz will change the revision name of their sticks next time, but theres no way to demand this from them. how come nobody freaked out on kingston or corsair when they changed the memory chips on their value series? there must be at least 40 different 3200 sticks out there each with different memory chips, some reaching ddr500 2-2-2 and some only doing 210 2.5-3-3...

I see where it's all going to. No wonder.


Indeed, very good, very good! Very good for 240 EURO! VERY GOOD!
For half the price you can get UTT BH-5, i'm not even talking about performance comparision... For half the price, one could also get a set of G.Skill ZX, which would do DDR500 @ 2.5-3-3-7.
OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev.2 is now value RAM

then why didnt you get it? the only one who is to blame is yourself for thinking the 3200 from ocz will oc to 280mhz for sure just because many people reached that speed.

hey Tsunami Fal, welcome to XtremeSystems
i think most of the latter tccx chips scale with higher vdimm, theres only one way to find out
i would add active cooling though and dont go too high, especially if extra vdimm doesnt seem to help.

Hi, the answer to that is that we normally won't RMA anyone that can't hit 275mhz with PC3200. That would be unheard of anywhere in the industry. We want you to prove for us that TCC5 kicks booty and that no one needs to worry. So sure, we will RMA you you. You like to post and I'm sure you will let everyone know what the real story is on TCC5 (whatever you find). Coming form you is better for many guys than coming form me or Ryan. We are ALWAYS straight up with you guys. Hey, we love XS and you all buy lots of our products. We do the best we can with what is available and stand behind alll of our products 1000%. You all know this.

Email me brother and we will get your rockin'.

wow...

imo thats a mistake... help the one who complains loudest about you... but its really nice of you to help him.

im really dissapointed in how this thread went... crticism is a good thing as long as its contructive, this ranting and mudfighting some of you are pulling off trying to force ocz to replace your memory is really making me feel sick...

im going to open this thread again now and hope it will stay calm and friendly, the next one to make a stupid comment is getting a 3day vacation.
if you have a question or a problem about me modding please shoot me a pm and dont discuss it in this thread.

[BlackDragon24]

We do use TCC5 completely interchangably with TCCD

That means the PC-5300, PC-5000 and PC-4800 platnium are using tcc5 also
in fact all PC-4800 use tcc5

so all the reviews of those products are with tcc5

Ok I am a bit confused here:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...cz-ddr600.html
http://www.insanetek.com/index.php?p...atinumpc4800_1

I read these reviews which were both recent and they say nothing about TCC5...they say a lot about TCCD though. Maybe the samples they received were older and still had TCCD?

Also, u stated that rev 1.1 3200 rev2 plats are TCC5, but Andy just told me in this same thread that u can't tell unless u remove the heastspreader...just curious as to which one is correct.

I'm not trying to start crap here....just trying to get informed about a situation that I was obviously uninformed about before this past week....thanks.

[ryanpgroovy]

Those reviews are most likely mis-stating the chips they have probably becuase they didnt know any better or just called them TCCD meaning samsung much as people say UTT when they mean more accurately winbond utt , not promos or PSC UTT


I will actaully have the marketing manager work on that


the PC-3200 with tcc5 says version 1.1 on the label , I did verfiy that

[BlackDragon24]

wow...

imo thats a mistake... help the one who complains loudest about you... but its really nice of you to help him.

im really dissapointed in how this thread went... crticism is a good thing as long as its contructive, this ranting and mudfighting some of you are pulling off trying to force ocz to replace your memory is really making me feel sick...

Ummm, no offense meant here (Im a newb here), but I think the reason Andy was being so nice is because I had already talked to ryan in this thread, and since I wasn't being one of the "jerks", they were more than willing to help me out. If anything the willingness of these gentlemen to participate in this thread is a testament to their devotion to customer satisfaction. So the message may be, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar

[ryanpgroovy]

yeah black dragon was being nice , 3 cheers for the good guy

[poiuy223]

ok i read the same crap on another forum and im sick of this.i have to defend OCZ for their great products. let me ask you one question...

WHERE ON OCZ'S SITE DOES IT SAY THEY GUARANTEE THE USE OF TCCD ON THEIR PLATINUM LINE?

answer is...NOWHERE

true that platinum 3200 rev2, 3700, 4200, 4800, and 5000 used to be TCCD, but because samsung discontinued it, it's hard to get. you should be lucky that OCZ found tcc5 to continue the production line. who blamed them when old BH5's were discontinued and replaced by CH5? NO ONE

one thing people fail to remember (god knows why), is that memory companies only guarantees their memory to operate at their rated specs. who said they should warranty you when your pc3200 cant hit 300MHZ??? you should be lucky that OCZ is willing to RMA your perfect operating sticks to allow you to search for a higher overclock.

and another thing. who said tccd is far better than tcc5? i've been reviewing memory for the past year and all the tccd stuff i've come across are great. its just recently that i've been experimenting with tcc5 and im getting exactly same great results. i reviewed OCZ pc4800 and maxed out at 305. they had tccd. i reviewed the OCZ pc5000 and maxed out at 313. they had tcc5. they were on same testbed. who said tcc5 sucks? learn people learn. if you want high overclocks, then spend more and get guaranteed sticks, like pc4800 and pc5000. dont try to save the extra buck and go with pc3200 and take your chance. you end up complaining and blaming your faults on OCZ...for what??? what did they do wrong??? NOTHING

so please stop it!

saaya, i guess you'll have to edit out my rants. im tired of the people complaining who hit the hand of those who try to provide a great overclocking experience.

and ryan, pc5300???!!! time for me to harrass jess.

EDIT: yhpm
-saaya

[poiuy223]

Ok I am a bit confused here:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...cz-ddr600.html
http://www.insanetek.com/index.php?p...atinumpc4800_1

I read these reviews which were both recent and they say nothing about TCC5...they say a lot about TCCD though. Maybe the samples they received were older and still had TCCD?

Also, u stated that rev 1.1 3200 rev2 plats are TCC5, but Andy just told me in this same thread that u can't tell unless u remove the heastspreader...just curious as to which one is correct.

I'm not trying to start crap here....just trying to get informed about a situation that I was obviously uninformed about before this past week....thanks.

i wrote that insanetek review. yes it's tccd. i lifted the heatspreader and checked.

[Tsunami Fall]

Hmm, This may sound dumb but....
I have a 512 Stick of OCZ PC3500 EL and 512 stick of PC3200 Rev2. If u look at the IC's from the top ur'll see silver lines do these mean anything? The PC3500 have to bold lines while my PC3200 have 4 thin lines.

PC3500 260 2-2-2-6-1T 3.7v (512MB)
PC3200 255 2.5-3-3-7-1t 2.9 (1GB)

[ryanpgroovy]

actually the PC-4800 you had for review had Tcc5

[poiuy223]

really? i swear i saw tccd. maybe the "5" was playing tricks on me

but the pc5000 i got for review is surely tcc5. i saw the 5 clearly

[BlackDragon24]

i wrote that insanetek review. yes it's tccd. i lifted the heatspreader and checked.

LOL good review too!...

EDIT: Well at least its good TCC5 that can do 300htt!

Thanks for the quick responses ryanpgroovy I feel more eduacted today about memory types than ever before.

EDIT: yhpm
-saaya

[poiuy223]

LOL good review too!...

EDIT: Well at least its good TCC5 that can do 300htt!

Thanks for the quick responses ryanpgroovy I feel more eduacted today about memory types than ever before.

why thanks. appreciate the comment

EDIT: edited quote
-saaya

[andyOCZ]

Any of you that have any concerns or questions, please email me.

Thanks!

[poiuy223]

ryan,

actually the 4800 i got was tccd. week 507. i double checked. its the 5000 that i got thats tcc5. review will be up on wednesday

[BlackDragon24]

Any of you that have any concerns or questions, please email me.

Thanks!

@andyOCZ....email has been sent earlier today

@poiuy223...just saw this review you did

http://www.insanetek.com/index.php?p...winxpc3200xl_1

I'm blown away that these are actually TCCD....given the price and the OC headroom...do you know if all v1.2 XL's are sticking with TCCD or moving to TCC5?

[Tsunami Fall]

Any of you that have any concerns or questions, please email me.

Thanks!

Email was sent earlier today

[HiJon89]

We do use TCC5 completely interchangably with TCCD

That means the PC-5300, PC-5000 and PC-4800 platnium are using tcc5 also
in fact all PC-4800 use tcc5

so all the reviews of those products are with tcc5

I think this post says it all, if they put TCC5 in their PC5000 RAM that is rated for 312Mhz how bad could it be?