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    the bios cdrom normally would save you from all this. however, in your case, it did not work.

    create it in notepad and when u save it, toggle all files, and put a .bat in front of filename.
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    Ok, now I've created an "autoexec.bat" containing
    @echo off
    awdflash.EXE NF4LD310.BIN /py /sn
    and saved it to a bootable dos floppy together with awdflash.EXE and NF4LD310.BIN. Will try it soon. Thanks again for walking me through the paramedics!

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    So what bios are you guys running with what ram or have tried and how have they worked if i get enough info i will add what i get to the first post.

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    Angry WARNING: WTF is the issue with the DFI NF4 331-1 BIOS...???

    As some of You know some time ago this happened to me:

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ht=killed+BIOS

    It was with the 331-1 and thanks God I had a second BIOS chip. That one was flashed with the 218 BIOS and when I threw it in all was workin' fine again. Bought a (new) second BIOS chip with 331-1 flashed unused so far.

    Then flashed back the working one with the 218 to the 331-1 and still all was fine.

    So yesterday I got my new ATI X850XT - shut down the rig, unplugged all and built in the new vid card. Fired up the system, board was starting, all diodes were O.K. and fans were spinning but no vid signal to the screen.

    Hm - I thought maybe BIOS is not detecting the ATI card because my previous was a Nvidia 6600GT. Decided to clear CMOS and removed the battery.

    Fired up the rig again, and....... long beeps, 3 red lite onboard diodes and a blinking power lite on the front panel.

    Hm.., thought it was maybe caused by the new vid card - so I replaced it again with the 6600GT.

    Same issue, no access to BIOS. Now I felt really pissed because the same thing happened to me twice.

    Decided to throw in my brand new second BIOS chip with also the 331-1 on it, but no go !!!

    So there is only one conclusion: Using the 218 helped me out before but two BIOS chips with the 331-1 on it refused to work.

    Seems to me like the 331-1 can be flashed when rig is running, but after changing some hardware and/or after clearing the CMOS the 331-1 is not able to boot, maybe it has something to do with the BIOS boot sector.

    Today I ordered two more BIOS chips ( ) with the last offical BIOS (310).

    Should arrive on Wednesday - if they help me out like the 218 did first time there is definately something wrong with the 331-1.

    Never cleared CMOS with 331-2 or 331-3 so I can't tell You if the problem will appear there also.

    But be carefull guys - best is when using 331 and want to change some hardware to flash back to regular BIOS before.

    Will keep You updated and cross Your fingers for me.......

    Long offline periods - can only use the office machine yet......

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    Mine is slightly different. I flashed the bios from 310 to 310p. Immediately Windows had problems booting. Only way to boot is using Windows CD. So I decided to fix the problem using Windows Recover. Only to find out it not only it wont boot, but it had problems detecting my SATA's on RAID. Thought it was a faulty board.
    Got another board from my mate who was running bios 310. I decided to flashed it again with 310p and the same symtoms appeared. So flashed it back to 310 and everything is working fine again.
    BTW, where did you get the bios chips HCC?

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    My opinion of DFI boards has totally changed these past few weeks, with no posts ive got from 2 BIOS's.

    It seems to happen a lot on both the NF3 and NF4.

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    I'm telling you guys, nothing is better than bios 2-17 yet Anyway, for the guy that asked for specs:
    athlon 64 939 3000 0449 ccbhd at (9x275) 1.4 volts in bios
    dfi ultra-d
    g skill tccd 4400 LE 2x512
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    And of course, I'm using bios 2-17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
    As some of You know some time ago this happened to me:

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ht=killed+BIOS

    It was with the 331-1 and thanks God I had a second BIOS chip. That one was flashed with the 218 BIOS and when I threw it in all was workin' fine again. Bought a (new) second BIOS chip with 331-1 flashed unused so far.

    Then flashed back the working one with the 218 to the 331-1 and still all was fine.

    So yesterday I got my new ATI X850XT - shut down the rig, unplugged all and built in the new vid card. Fired up the system, board was starting, all diodes were O.K. and fans were spinning but no vid signal to the screen.

    Hm - I thought maybe BIOS is not detecting the ATI card because my previous was a Nvidia 6600GT. Decided to clear CMOS and removed the battery.

    Fired up the rig again, and....... long beeps, 3 red lite onboard diodes and a blinking power lite on the front panel.

    Hm.., thought it was maybe caused by the new vid card - so I replaced it again with the 6600GT.

    Same issue, no access to BIOS. Now I felt really pissed because the same thing happened to me twice.

    Decided to throw in my brand new second BIOS chip with also the 331-1 on it, but no go !!!

    So there is only one conclusion: Using the 218 helped me out before but two BIOS chips with the 331-1 on it refused to work.

    Seems to me like the 331-1 can be flashed when rig is running, but after changing some hardware and/or after clearing the CMOS the 331-1 is not able to boot, maybe it has something to do with the BIOS boot sector.

    Today I ordered two more BIOS chips ( ) with the last offical BIOS (310).

    Should arrive on Wednesday - if they help me out like the 218 did first time there is definately something wrong with the 331-1.

    Never cleared CMOS with 331-2 or 331-3 so I can't tell You if the problem will appear there also.

    But be carefull guys - best is when using 331 and want to change some hardware to flash back to regular BIOS before.

    Will keep You updated and cross Your fingers for me.......

    Long offline periods - can only use the office machine yet......



    Isnt 3 lights and long beeps a memory problem? Your bios and graphics card are problably fine, but you might have the memory in the wrong slots. Make sure to put your memory in the *orange* slots. If you have only one stick of memory, i think you need to put it in slot two. Try moving them around to find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neokenzo
    Mine is slightly different. I flashed the bios from 310 to 310p. Immediately Windows had problems booting. Only way to boot is using Windows CD. So I decided to fix the problem using Windows Recover. Only to find out it not only it wont boot, but it had problems detecting my SATA's on RAID. Thought it was a faulty board.
    Got another board from my mate who was running bios 310. I decided to flashed it again with 310p and the same symtoms appeared. So flashed it back to 310 and everything is working fine again.
    BTW, where did you get the bios chips HCC?

    You can order them online.

    Just take the model number off the top of the chip and search for it online. If you cant find it then you can try http://www.digikey.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quanticles
    Isnt 3 lights and long beeps a memory problem? Your bios and graphics card are problably fine, but you might have the memory in the wrong slots. Make sure to put your memory in the *orange* slots. If you have only one stick of memory, i think you need to put it in slot two. Try moving them around to find out.
    Didn't touch the mem at all - both sticks in the orange slots. But maybe You are right it has somethin' to do with it, yesterday I tried to boot 4 times - each time with a single stick in a different slot.

    With RAM in slot 3 or 4 the issue happened as before and the fan of my X850XT was running full speed (as in 3D mode).

    With RAM in slot 1 or 2 it was different - only one red lite onboard diode and not long but short beeps.

    No blinking power LED on front panel and reset was working but also no access to BIOS. The GPU fan speeded down to normal turns.

    I also tried the Vdimm jumper on both rails - no go.

    What I don't understand is I didn't even touched the jumper or the RAM before - only cleared CMOS and 331-1 is working no more.

    I still wonder if it is caused by the Vdimm setting in BIOS - I left it always at 3,72. Maybe it should be set back to a normal normal voltage like 2,8 or somthing before clearing the CMOS.

    Yet i happened after CMOS clear because I wanted to replace the vid card and some time ago it also happened after a CMOS clear when I swiched the Vdimm jumper and replaced RAM.

    Tomorrow I'll get 2 new BIOS chips with the offical 310 - I really hope this will help me out.

    As I said before - I also tried a brand new never used BIOS chip with 331-1 BIOS (I have a reseller of BIOS chips who flashes the needed version in stock)
    and this chip doesn't work also.

    The RAM is BH-5 and ran on my previous board at 3,9 Vdimm and now 24/7 at 3,72 - so I don't think it is damaged. It can even bare 4,1 Vdimm......

    So I have no idea whats going on here, only thing I can say is that 331-1 was running perfectly with the BH-5 but it refuses to work after clearing the CMOS.

    Any suggestions here?

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    DFI NF4 ULTRA 0453A3 KOREA CHIPSET / BIOS 510-2FIX / FX-57 0516WPMW@3.62GHZ / 2x256 CORSAIR 3200LLPT BH-5@13x278MHZ 2-2-2-5@3.69VDIMM / MACH II GT@MOD BY BERKUT / ACTIVE COOLING FOR RAM - MOSFETS - GPU RAM / CHIPSET & GPU CORE WATERCOOLED / OCZ POWERSTEAM 600W / BUILT BY ATI X850XT@660/651 - VGPU@1.73-VDD@2.26-VDDQ@2.21 PENCIL MOD / WIN XP 2x80GB SAMSUNG SPINPOINT SP80 SATA - RAID 0 & WIN 2K 40GB SAMSUNG SPINPOINT SP40 IDE BENCH DRIVE / PIC


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    HARDCORECLOCKER, I have a similar problem. I'm spanish so I will explain as I can :s

    In some cases my DFI does not boot (3 led on) When ithappens, it becomes nearly impossible to boot it clearing CMOS or trying with differente hardware configs (with one excepcion I will write later on this post)

    My RAM is OVZ VX. I have tried with several combinations of hardware. My conclusion is that it has something with the board.
    I've tried with different bios, 2 CPU, 2 VGA, different RAM and this is what happens to me:

    - When I try any combination with a single stick or both sticks (orange slots), if the system boots, it works fine for 24/7 and it reboots normaly.

    - When I shut down, when I try to start again, sometimes, it refuses to boot anymore. No matter if I clear CMOS, change sticks,... it doesn't boot. However, if I keep it off until next day, sometimes it gets fixed even if I don't change anything.

    - This only happens to me with these modules. Like BH5, these sticks need high voltages and I use to run them at 3.5V, 3.6V. Anyways, I have problems even when I run them at stock speed/voltage. Currently, I have proved that when I can't boot the DFI with my sticks, it does well if I change them with a single no-branded DDR400 stick.

    - I thought that it could be a memory problem algough they ran well on other mobos (different brand and chipset) I sent them to be tested at the shop where I bought them. They tested them on another DFI Ultra-D for some days, booting with different hardware and bios setups with no problem.

    I think that MY DFI has something with these modules. It is not something that happened to me from the first day. It came later. I am completely desesperated.

    Currently my system is running and I try to avoid shutting it down.

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    Last edited by Bourch; 04-27-2005 at 07:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fareastgq
    I'm telling you guys, nothing is better than bios 2-17 yet Anyway, for the guy that asked for specs:
    athlon 64 939 3000 0449 ccbhd at (9x275) 1.4 volts in bios
    dfi ultra-d
    g skill tccd 4400 LE 2x512
    pcp&c 510 deluxe
    And of course, I'm using bios 2-17.
    For the guy that asked LOL I made the thread I am trying to collect info about the bios...and how well they are dooing...but i agree the 2.17's are to me the best bios...

    Hardcoreclocker...I havn't heard of this problem before...I will put a warrning next to that bios and possibly the 310p...I have theory about why these to are making problems I will look more into it though...and if I am right then there may be more then just those 2 bios may cause trouble...idk I will look into it if I find nothing then I just wont post it...

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    I heard the 3.16 bios should be the best one but that just what I heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireDragon
    For the guy that asked LOL I made the thread I am trying to collect info about the bios...and how well they are dooing...but i agree the 2.17's are to me the best bios...

    Hardcoreclocker...I havn't heard of this problem before...I will put a warrning next to that bios and possibly the 310p... I have theory about why these to are making problems I will look more into it though...and if I am right then there may be more then just those 2 bios may cause trouble...idk I will look into it if I find nothing then I just wont post it...

    Dragon
    Mate - I appreciate that. Believe me, it happened to me two times and I did nothing but a CMOS clear after changing some hardware.

    And now we also know that the issue is gone after flashing the same BIOS again........

    So I really got the feeling that clearing the CMOS destroys something in the BIOS - maybe in the boot sector.

    And......., the 218 worked for me the first time, the 331-1 did not, even my second BIOS chip with 331-1 refused to work.

    So keep us updated what You'll find out - there must be somthing.....

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    DFI NF4 ULTRA 0453A3 KOREA CHIPSET / BIOS 510-2FIX / FX-57 0516WPMW@3.62GHZ / 2x256 CORSAIR 3200LLPT BH-5@13x278MHZ 2-2-2-5@3.69VDIMM / MACH II GT@MOD BY BERKUT / ACTIVE COOLING FOR RAM - MOSFETS - GPU RAM / CHIPSET & GPU CORE WATERCOOLED / OCZ POWERSTEAM 600W / BUILT BY ATI X850XT@660/651 - VGPU@1.73-VDD@2.26-VDDQ@2.21 PENCIL MOD / WIN XP 2x80GB SAMSUNG SPINPOINT SP80 SATA - RAID 0 & WIN 2K 40GB SAMSUNG SPINPOINT SP40 IDE BENCH DRIVE / PIC


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    Quote Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
    Didn't touch the mem at all - both sticks in the orange slots. But maybe You are right it has somethin' to do with it, yesterday I tried to boot 4 times - each time with a single stick in a different slot.

    With RAM in slot 3 or 4 the issue happened as before and the fan of my X850XT was running full speed (as in 3D mode).

    With RAM in slot 1 or 2 it was different - only one red lite onboard diode and not long but short beeps.

    No blinking power LED on front panel and reset was working but also no access to BIOS. The GPU fan speeded down to normal turns.

    I also tried the Vdimm jumper on both rails - no go.

    What I don't understand is I didn't even touched the jumper or the RAM before - only cleared CMOS and 331-1 is working no more.

    I still wonder if it is caused by the Vdimm setting in BIOS - I left it always at 3,72. Maybe it should be set back to a normal normal voltage like 2,8 or somthing before clearing the CMOS.

    Yet i happened after CMOS clear because I wanted to replace the vid card and some time ago it also happened after a CMOS clear when I swiched the Vdimm jumper and replaced RAM.

    Tomorrow I'll get 2 new BIOS chips with the offical 310 - I really hope this will help me out.

    As I said before - I also tried a brand new never used BIOS chip with 331-1 BIOS (I have a reseller of BIOS chips who flashes the needed version in stock)
    and this chip doesn't work also.

    The RAM is BH-5 and ran on my previous board at 3,9 Vdimm and now 24/7 at 3,72 - so I don't think it is damaged. It can even bare 4,1 Vdimm......

    So I have no idea whats going on here, only thing I can say is that 331-1 was running perfectly with the BH-5 but it refuses to work after clearing the CMOS.

    Any suggestions here?

    Have you tried the 414-2 or -3 bioses yet?

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    HCC, how are you flashing the bios? are you remembering to clear ALL when flashing? i have never encountered this issue, and have cleared cmos while over 3.2, while swapping jumper, swapping ram, cross flashing up/down, etc., etc.

    use these flash strings when flashing:

    awdflash BIOSFILE.BIN /py /sn /cd /cp /cc /LD /R /f

    replace BIOSFILE.BIN w./ bios filename. remember that will reset the machine on its own after done (load optimised once your back in, and always load optimised b4 flashing). if you don't wanna mess with typing, just dload the bootable cdrom and at the prompt type a keyword from 'legend' to flash the bios you would like.
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    Well.. one light means the CPU, RAM, and VGA have all been detected. I'm not sure if bios starts running before or after all of that stuff, but i'd imagine before... =/

    You could go to dfi-street and put a post on their forum. If they cant figure it out they'll have an engineer contact you.
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    This might be a dumb question, but did you put the BIOS chip in the right way?
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    i always use winflash :>
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    I don't have a floppy drive and I was wondering how do I use winflash to flash the BIOS of my DFI Lanparty Ultra-D? Thanks!

    P.S: Is the 3.10P bios still the best to use with my Patriot PC3200 Ram? It's TCCD based.
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    you can use my bootable cdrom for flashing. u can find a link to this in the first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider
    I don't have a floppy drive and I was wondering how do I use winflash to flash the BIOS of my DFI Lanparty Ultra-D? Thanks!

    P.S: Is the 3.10P bios still the best to use with my Patriot PC3200 Ram? It's TCCD based.

    Just download the program and try to use it. It's xtremely straight foward. =)
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    Lanparty SLI-DR 3800 venice

    Have 3-10 Bios boots up fine but get BSOD. Should I try Oscar Wu 4-14 3 Bios has anyone else had this problem?

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    CBBLE 0507 DPAW

  25. #150
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    Jun 2003
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    3.10 has been fine for me.

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