looks like also BH-5 will have a revival!!!

[Susquehannock]

Interesting coincidence there is new Bh-5 coming out now that the new TCCD
are doing so well.

[enok]

considering the loss of performace going from BH-5 to CH-5 (180nm to 130nm), i think DH-5 (110nm) won't give any advantage.

[Nazaar]

man, cant wait for these modules to hit the stores in belgium !!

[enzoR]

are the new twinmoss based on BH5 being mass manufacutred?

[iddqd]

whats this DH-5 ? Better then utt/bh-5 ??

No idea. I've seen it on a hard drive. (So, I'm guessing it's not that great)

I would guess that it will. Wouldn't make much since for Winbond to make a huge loan like that and make only a type of RAM that won't be around long enough to pay back the loan.

Thats the RATED timings. BH-5 doesn't like CAS3 and it'll work with CAS2.5. TwinMOS makes it rated at different timings than what it can do. The current TwinMOS Speed Preuium chips are rated at CAS 2.5 @ DDR400 as well

jjcom

So, Winbond is back in action? Most interesting.

Nothing to write homa about???
Why not?
My 2x512 twinmos bh5 (week 13) does 275mhz 2t and 255 mhz 1t (benchable) @3,6v which in still in the safe zone according to winbond.
But I have sold this bh5 to buy some OCZ VX (higher speeds @1T)

Will this new bh5 chips do any better than 'old' bh5??
And will the high speeds= 2T problem will be solved??
Because that will be some points for me to make my decision to wait for this SP or to buy some OCZ VX...

Funny, how my BH-6 can do the same thing. And they're 512 sticks. Edit: just noticed that was 2t. The BH-6 does 275MHz 2-2-2 1t

Why don't you kick 3.6v through it then? Might get you 290
Since we're busy why don't you make that 3.8v... you could actually get 300

I would, but this stupid PSU won't go higher than 3.5v on the +3.3 line . I need to get a new PSU.. A PCP&C510D or something.

[EMU]

Do any of you guys have an idea what chips are used on the Twinmos TMII400? Are these UTT as well? If not any comparison of performance?

Really glad Winbond is back in the market

[situman]

looks like Ebay BH-5s will tank.

[Mag Master 21]

Wel, nice to know that BH-5 is comming back but stil I'm not throwing a party just yet.
Imho BH-5 isn't the super OC ram, everyone is talking about, has anyone ever seen 512 BH-5 stick do 270 2-2-2-X 1t ? Personally I haven't.

So I would be great is the new batch of BH-5/DH-5 stick would have better preformance ecspecially @ 1t for al the A64 user out there

Believe it.. This is a 512 stick at 270 with 2-2-2-10 fully A64 Tweaked...

[enzoR]

damn man thats insane! what volts?

[Nube]

Believe it.. This is a 512 stick at 270 with 2-2-2-10 fully A64 Tweaked...

I think he is talking about 2*512 dual channel... try get 270 2-2-2 then...

[enzoR]

if the ram can do it in single, the ram can do it in dual. it all depends on the memory controller if it can still do it in dual.

[Mag Master 21]

damn man thats insane! what volts?

that's with 3.6vdimm from a 3.72 rail.. I'm hoping to get a booster soon so I can really push her

[Rabbi_NZ]

BH6/BH5 not doing well in 2x512 is a myth in my opinion... dont know where it started but Ive seen PLENTY of high 2x512 BH6/BH5 clocks

[Revv23]

2*512 all depends on the memory controller...

sounds like AMD will be making controller upgrades soon so this all sounds good to me...


BTW i disagree with what you guys are saying about the processes...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ht=BH-5+legend

AH-6 180nm
BH-6 166nm
CH-6 166nm
AH-5 (doesnt exist?)
BH-5 150nm
CH-5 130nm
BH-4 130nm[/CENTER]

this explains why bh-5 and bh-6 perform almost the same, they are made in almost the same manufacturing process.

according to sayaa BH-5 is 150nm, bh-6 is 166nm, which is why BH-6 can handle REALLY high volts better then BH-5, just ask hipro5 about that one...also, it is my understanding that CH-5 is not the same design as BH-5, as CH-5 was made to be cheaper, explaining why it performed worse then BH at same clocks/timings....

[Rabbi_NZ]

Revv23,

bigtoe himself has said many times BH5=BH6 & CH5=CH6, same die jus different speed bins. Until I see where saaya got his info Im sticking with what bigtoe said.

[enzoR]

ive seen a german site post that info.

[Susquehannock]

3.6v ... thought so. The TCCD should be able to match that at
lower voltages right?

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

THIS is insane:



"OLD" Corsair BH-5

[hipro5]

I think he is talking about 2*512 dual channel... try get 270 2-2-2 then...

This was done with Dual channel BH-5 2 x 512MB Twinmos sticks - old school ones - PC3200 at 3.62Volts......Thanks Alex......

[SlackeR]

Maximizer sure seems nice
Very impressive clocks, Hipro!

[Revv23]

Revv23,

bigtoe himself has said many times BH5=BH6 & CH5=CH6, same die jus different speed bins. Until I see where saaya got his info Im sticking with what bigtoe said.

i stand corrected.

[hipro5]

Maximizer sure seems nice
Very impressive clocks, Hipro!

It sure does........Thanks M8......

[clarence]

i stand corrected.

No need to argue, just read up on their respective datasheets from Winbond.

From the Winbond 942516CH datasheet (for all speed grades from CH-75 to CH-5), the manufacturing process is described as 0.13um. It also says the 942516CH is sorted into 4 speed grades (-75,-7,-6,-5).

I would be very surprised if Winbond has lines that produce ram using 0.18um, 0.166um, 0.15um & 0.13um in an overlapped timeframe. For starters, it means massive investment wasted, as 0.166 & 0.15 are not necessary as Winbond is already migrating to 0.13 at the time when the BH series was in production. The incremental benefits offered by 0.166 & 0.15 over 0.18 does not justify the investment needed. Secondly, why would Winbond waste production cost in producing chips in a larger process when a smaller & more cost effective process is available (not to mention the cost in inventory controls)? Thirdly, what happens to those CH-5 that cannot function at 200MHz but can do so at 166MHz?? Do they junk them altogether?? They surely can't be called CH-6 if it's from a different process!!!

The words AH, BH, CH tells u which generaation it belongs, & the -75, -7, -6, -5 tells u it's speed. If u look at the ICs themselves, it's printed "BH-5" or "CH-5", BH5 or CH5 is just an abbreviation.

http://www.winbond.com.tw/c-winbondh...2_g_1_a.htm#06

Datasheet for CH series available at bottom of the page.

[jumanji969]

3.6v ... thought so. The TCCD should be able to match that at
lower voltages right?

Yea with 2.5-3-3-7 timings not those nice 2-2-2-x timings.

[Rabbi_NZ]

No need to argue, just read up on their respective datasheets from Winbond.

From the Winbond 942516CH datasheet (for all speed grades from CH-75 to CH-5), the manufacturing process is described as 0.13um. It also says the 942516CH is sorted into 4 speed grades (-75,-7,-6,-5).

I would be very surprised if Winbond has lines that produce ram using 0.18um, 0.166um, 0.15um & 0.13um in an overlapped timeframe. For starters, it means massive investment wasted, as 0.166 & 0.15 are not necessary as Winbond is already migrating to 0.13 at the time when the BH series was in production. The incremental benefits offered by 0.166 & 0.15 over 0.18 does not justify the investment needed. Secondly, why would Winbond waste production cost in producing chips in a larger process when a smaller & more cost effective process is available (not to mention the cost in inventory controls)? Thirdly, what happens to those CH-5 that cannot function at 200MHz but can do so at 166MHz?? Do they junk them altogether?? They surely can't be called CH-6 if it's from a different process!!!

The words AH, BH, CH tells u which generaation it belongs, & the -75, -7, -6, -5 tells u it's speed. If u look at the ICs themselves, it's printed "BH-5" or "CH-5", BH5 or CH5 is just an abbreviation.

http://www.winbond.com.tw/c-winbondh...2_g_1_a.htm#06

Datasheet for CH series available at bottom of the page.

Thank you clarence