TDX or MCW6002?

[Knavinusa]

Here's the rest of the setup I'm planning to get:

6800 Water Block
D4 Pump
Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir
Tygon 3603 Tubing (8 ft.)
Zerex Super Coolant
Papst 4312L 120mm Fan
Standard Heater Core with Fittings
120mm Shroud

[EnJoY]

The TDX without a doubt. However, on different note, you may want to consider using the blackice extreme II or a dual heatercore as with a cpu and that 6800 block, your loop may get too warm with only that one heatercore.

[WesM63]

There should be that exact review up at LiquidNinjas tomorrow.

[chefnr1]

Here's the rest of the setup I'm planning to get:

6800 Water Block
D4 Pump
Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir
Tygon 3603 Tubing (8 ft.)
Zerex Super Coolant
Papst 4312L 120mm Fan
Standard Heater Core with Fittings
120mm Shroud

go for mcw6002 i have 2.1 vcore and 244x11.5 and my cpu temp on idle is 29c and max 33c on load so im very pleased with this mcw6002 block and it kills TDX i'm sure

[MaxxxRacer]

TDX with the #4 or #5 plate will kill the mcw6002 in performance.. This is given that you use the d4 which has relatively high flow for that setup.. if you went with a less powerful pump the swiftech block woudl be better..

[chefnr1]

TDX with the #4 or #5 plate will kill the mcw6002 in performance.. This is given that you use the d4 which has relatively high flow for that setup.. if you went with a less powerful pump the swiftech block woudl be better..

no i'm not with you there! my mcw6002-A have 1/2" barb fitting and my pump goes at about 17 L/m and it flow through cpu-nb-sb and heres my temp and clock and the vcore is 2.1v

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfold...1/temp-mhz.JPG

[Ancient_1]

With the #5 plate the TDX needs a little over 5lpm to pull ahead of the MCW. Showing your temps means nothing unless you could show your setup under the same conditions with a TDX installed with the #5 plate. The temp differences between good blocks are so small that all the good blocks would read within 2° on your setup and that would include the best released block out right now the G4. If your pump is that big (and has the head rating to match its flow) and your other 2 blocks arent overly restrictive you would probably get slightly better temps with the TDX w/#5.
When talking about the top widely available blocks which is best or which of a choice of two pretty comes to what setup is it going into. The MCW is the best one block fits all made, but it is not the best performance block made.

[MaxxxRacer]

chefnr1. I appreciate your input, but please check on some real numbers before you make judgments. Check procooling.com to see a direct comparison between the two blocks.

also, your pump isnt doing 17lpm through ur cpu nb and sb. there is no pump that u could use that would give u that kind of flow short of dual md40's or so. 17gpm is roughly 4.8gpm which is entirely not feasable under normal conditions. with the mcw6002 and a nb and sb block your gonna be lucky to see 7lpm. I would guess that you are getting in the range of 5lpm.

You should also know that the mobo temp sensors are incredibly innacurate. especially in the abit nf2 boards. Not that the nf3's are any better.. Im not bashing abit as I have a NF7-s and love it.. im just saying that the temp sensors are horribly innacurate.. the only way to get a comparison is to take the same exact setup and just replace the cpu cooler to test demp differences.. thats really the only way. (Other than what pH does which is xtreme to new levels)

[chefnr1]

With the #5 plate the TDX needs a little over 5lpm to pull ahead of the MCW. Showing your temps means nothing unless you could show your setup under the same conditions with a TDX installed with the #5 plate. The temp differences between good blocks are so small that all the good blocks would read within 2° on your setup and that would include the best released block out right now the G4. If your pump is that big (and has the head rating to match its flow) and your other 2 blocks arent overly restrictive you would probably get slightly better temps with the TDX w/#5.
When talking about the top widely available blocks which is best or which of a choice of two pretty comes to what setup is it going into. The MCW is the best one block fits all made, but it is not the best performance block made.

well i dont have a TDW-block to compare with but this mcw is the best perfomed block i ever tested, with my other block Asetec i had in the rig before this mcw the different in temp was about 11c lower now so there is lots of ranking lists but i dont trust non of them as long the block perform perfect in my rig

[MaxxxRacer]

again, check pro cooling.. they will show all of the blocks at different flow rates... and to repeat you will be getting in the range of 5-7lpm and not 17lpm...

[chefnr1]

MaxxxRacer i did'nt say that the flow through all 3 blocks should be att 17L/m it's the pumps output that have that preasure! i know that the flow will be reduced when it goes through the blocks

[Ancient_1]

Just so you can see how much difference the #5 plate makes with a TDX here is PHs graph of his testing.



And why when comparing blocks I will specify which plate is installed. I feel there are two choices The #1 for those who believe temps arent that important and #5 for those who want max temps and are willing to make sure thier loop is clean (requires a good flush and cleaning of the rad and other parts prior to 1st assembly along with running their coolant through something like a paint strainer when filling) and a periodic check of the nozzle (monthly at 1st if clean then should not ever be a problem).

To me the #4 is just a compromise which if a person is performance oriented should not make. Which if you look at the graph at most flow rates only gives a little over half the improvement of the #5.

[MaxxxRacer]

from the wording it sounded like u thought it was giving 17lpm with ur setup..

and btw, u dont need the nb and sb watercooling.. you would be better off just putting some zalman nb coolers on both of them and using a case fan or two to cool them off... the only reason to cool the nb is if your serioulsy vmoding it. but i dont think u r.. anyway if you took off those two cooelrs you would see some noticable improvements in flow and cooling performance on your cpu. also alot less tubing.. its somethign to think about... could also cool the gpu then...

[MaxxxRacer]

ancient i know that you already know this but you cant make gpm to gpm comparisons.. with the same pump the #4 will give 2.5gpm while the #5 wil lgive 2gpm.. with a .1C difference in temps...

[chefnr1]

yes i can see tha but dont u have a graph with mcw6002 in comparsion so that i can se the different in flow against DD

MaxxxRacer i will not change my water block to air! it's good as it is now and i dont find any guides to v-mod this AN7 board if i had find it i would v-mod it
and for my gpu that have it's own water sys that just serve the gpu

[MaxxxRacer]

http://www.procooling.com/html/pro_testing.php click on the click boxes... the tdx with the #5 or #4 plate is equivalanet to the rbx so just use the rbx to show the tdx temperature curve.. ull see that the mcw wins in low flow by alot, but as the gpm gets higher the tdx wins out..

[chefnr1]

jepp i can see that, but i can be pleased with my block though i think it's perform good in my rig

[Ancient_1]

Yes and no.
It is easier to see in his temp table but I didnt want tp post it because of the lower flow numbers it has with his flow meter installed which makes the numbers lower (I would gues in the .25~.3gpm range with the AQX 50Z) so when comparing to the graph of the MCW would apear to be worse than it is.

But here it is and you can see that the #4 has about half the gain of the #5, except with the AQX 50Z but that could be dure to the .25c margin of error in his testing.

[Ancient_1]

jepp i can see that, but i can be pleased with my block though i think it's perform good in my rig

I wasnt trying to say you had a bad block at all. I was just saying that you showing your temps didnt mean the TDX was worse. They both are good and in most systems will perform so close to each other that the temp differences cant really be read by a motherboard reliablly.

Like I said before the MCW6k series block is the best one block fits all ever mass produced. (some of Cathars blocks would fit also except at extreme low flow but are not mass production blocks)

[MaxxxRacer]

with the 50z the diff is more prodnouced as the numbers are larger.. with the higher flow pumps like the one he used (its a little weaker than the md20) the differnce is less pronouced. so .2 for the #4 and .4C for the #5. the .2C on the cpu is not worth the losses on the gpu for me... especially when i play games and not cpu benchmarks... that and my cpu doesnt get that hot anyway... (my gpu drains more power than my cpu)

but yes the #5 is 100% better than the #4 based on the straight numbers. 100 percent being .2c...

Ya i know that phs test setup restricts flow like mad... i wish there was another way to get the flow without screwing it up so bad... also good to not the two temp sensors restricting flow.. Makes you wonder what flow you really get with iwaki class pumps like my md20. based on the fact that he said the flow meter resrtrics almost anything to 2.5gpm i would guess that with a normal loop you could get 3gpm with the #4 plate on the system.. and 2.5gpm with a maze4gpu attached like mine... atleast i hope..

[Ancient_1]

I dont put near as much worth into the GPU as I do the CPU. The only time I OC my vid card is for bench marking. And the little less flow to the GPU will make so little difference that the OC will be about the same anyway (max 1°c). I have found OCn my vid card to not make a noticable difference durring play as to be worth it, if play isnt good enough OCn dont help enough I feel its time for a new card.

[MaxxxRacer]

well when u have a x800xt and you think u need a new card that means that you need help... so ocing is the only way to go... i got a 110mhz oc on the core and 60 on the mem at the moment.. As of now I get great fps in whatever games i play. At stock speeds on teh vid card its not nearly as good... i like being able to play at 6x FSAA and 16x AF with 100fps.. makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

but its all personal preference.. I would worry more about my cpu cooling except for the fact that cooling isnt a factor on it... the only way it get more out of it is to waterchill or phas change it... and both are not an option for me. so 2.8ghz is good.

[Ancient_1]

I run my cpu at 90~95% OC 24/7 folding and that is where my cooling priorities lie, it also why I run a NB block since I noticed with the stock cooler even for benchmarking it started getting unstable in the 293~295 range and I run in that area 24/7 and bench at 304~305. Also in games I agree with the AF but I do not like any FSAA I rather have a few jaggies than any blurring.

[MaxxxRacer]

ancient what card do u run?

[WesM63]

Review HERE