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    Quote Originally Posted by Kunaak
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    I am helping to beta test a pi program right now from a author here.
    so far...

    his work is very encouraging as I have not been able to cheat on it with any method I know of.
    neither windows speed cheats.
    timer cheats. clock cheats. pause cheats or manual cheats have effected this little program...

    it's not perfect.
    does have a few little bugs to fix.
    but so far, the author has been very very fast about fixing this stuff.

    if he were to release it, even in the buggy phase...
    It would still be the only PI benchmark I have heard of, that I cannot cheat on I look forward to testing the next build, and will keep any news of the program, listed here, and hopefully in a few days have a version he's willing to release.

    it's kinda like Hexus Pifast.
    but has 2 versions, one for SSE, and one for SSE2.
    nothing mentiond about a SSE3 version of prescotts.
    but this is definatly, the best news I know of, for a benchmark, thats cheat free.

    Sounds promising, but I think it should be kept a secret until all the bugs are worked out. Who knows someone could use one of those bugs to exploit the program.
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    no internet connection.

    less then 100k download.
    takes about 1 minute to run.

    all big bugs, have been worked out.
    only the little ones remain.
    nit picking stuff.
    like the time reported isn't accurate.
    for me it reports 110 seconds.
    but it really takes 40 seconds.
    easy fix I think, since the first version had the proper time down.

    just the guys off in never never land dreaming away till tommorow...
    time for patience to kick in.




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    Here's a classic 3d2001 fake:



    Obtained by yet another method not mentioned here.
    Let's just say it involves changing the reference clock oscillators on the mainboard. This would be a hack that is very hard to detect if done in a less obvious way then shown above. The only method to prevent that would be to validate the system clock with a verified time server on the internet.

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    can someone check this screenshot
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    whats wrong? I few of these latest Winchesters can do things like that. Besides theres a thread for this...something about post here to verify a CPU-Z shot or something

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    EDIT: I spelled "jjcom" wrong lol
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    serious. 2500 at nearly 1.4v? ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmortalNoob
    serious. 2500 at nearly 1.4v? ok
    checksum does matches, however, older CPUZ is to easy to cheat with, hence XS Staff' Official "we won't check pre CPUZ 1.26 screenies" statement. But anyway, Yes there is a thread for checksum verification, sticky in XOC.

    Chip isn't really all that spectacular, I've actually never even bothered to see what my NC which does 2650 air, and 2.5 at default voltage will run undervolted, but it wouldn't surprise me to see similar results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karnivore
    checksum does matches, however, older CPUZ is to easy to cheat with, hence XS Staff' Official "we won't check pre CPUZ 1.26 screenies" statement. But anyway, Yes there is a thread for checksum verification, sticky in XOC.

    Chip isn't really all that spectacular, I've actually never even bothered to see what my NC which does 2650 air, and 2.5 at default voltage will run undervolted, but it wouldn't surprise me to see similar results.
    Well, tried to lover volt at 2500 Mhz

    -And the temp? -132 C
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Holck
    Well, tried to lover volt at 2500 Mhz

    -And the temp? -132 C
    wow very nice... undervolting is very good for barebone user like me! my cpu is much colder with 1,1 than with 1,525.
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    Killer! Is it stable at those speeds with those voltages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
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    Killer! Is it stable at those speeds with those voltages?
    Yes, Pifast and M1 tried. It's not the CPU that is special. It's because of the supercooling. No big dial
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    Great thread here, Kunaak... :thumbsup:

    Didn't know people would bother to use apps like this to fake their results (only knew of Photoshoppers). Didn't even know of apps like this

    And again, I learnt something new.

    Ah, have to add something here:

    Prime95. A friend of mine accidently found out, there is an easy method to cheat. If you are running the torture test and you put your system in suspend mode, Prime will count the time on and on. Restarting the rig you will get (after stopping the torture test of course) a result as if you were running it for several hours without problems and w/out any error. And your system did not even sweat doing it

    Dunno if it still applies to the actual version though, I think it's been 6months ago...
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    Just a little FYI, there are other ways of cheating:

    http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/P4-373e/4.shtml and following pages.

    In this case, it actually turned out that the main thing causing this was the termination voltage setting on the mainboard, increasing it countered the heat effect on the clock gen and completely negated the "cheating".

    Apparently, the same issues we found were observed by others as well and as so often, more eyes see more and, therefore, it is not surprising that we got some feedback on the issue as well along with a number of suggestions. Among the more interesting suggestions was the one to set the FSB termination voltage to a fixed value of 1.3V, supposedly, this would completely take care of the problem. Needless to say that we were rather curious ourselves.
    ( http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/asus_p5ad2e/ )

    As mentioned in this thread before, 3DMark2001 was one of the few benchmarks completely immune

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    that was a very interesting article, and a very strange way to cheat a benchmark, but I am glad to know it, and how easy it can be to manipulate a 915 or 925 board.




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    Edit! LOL seems I was a bit too late with LC linkage

    If this has been discussed please forgive me, that is 925XE chipset PLL issue. This screenie is of a test system I assembled for DDR2 testing purposes. I have no cheat programs at all, I think the whole idea of cheating is horrible. Anyway, the following screenie is of an Abit AA8XE 925XE chipset board, I have fluctuating PLL after 270fsb where under stress system/PLL downclocks bus. There is NO CPU throttle at all, this is the bus causing lowering of clocks. This in effect causes the pause or stutter cheat. Michael Schutte covered this in a Lost Circuits article people should read http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/P4-373e/8.shtml

    Anywho, take a gander! All P4 775 results at high bus speed in non verified benches are suspect to me at this point

    Also, during benching I can see cpu/bus speed fluctuate wildly while no throttle is recorded by throttlewatch.
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    In this case, the apparent players are temperature and voltage ... I'd be glad to report something new but that's what it comes down to.

    That is, if the bus termination voltage is increased, the cheat goes away. This sounds somewhat strange but keep in mind that the termination voltage is in reality the bus supply voltage, that is, the voltage at which the entire bys is powered and which is apparently used for center-tap termination by accident - hence the name.

    In other words, it appears necessary to adapt the bus components, including the PLL to the higher frequencies by increasing the voltage, otherwise, heat will cause the PLL to slow down. Really no rocket science involved here. One thing to watch out for though is that increasing VTT will cause the entire system to run a bit hotter, that includes the CPU as well. I am not sure why this is the case and I don't have hard numbers that are statistically sound -- just an observation.

    I am not sure which boards other than the ASUS series have the termination voltage setting user accessible.

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    Well with the 775 platform issue ,it's not an attempted cheat but a platform bug that causes the problem. I suspect all high P4 results on 775 unless it's from well respected member like Fugger or Kyosen.
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    Umm do those new 3DMark '03 / '05 patches do ANYTHING?
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    hey guys, I just saw this ORB link, and I just dont understand how a clawhammer at 240x10 and x800xtpe at stock could get this high of a score: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8382135

    if its not fake, then props to him

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    It looks pretty legit. None of the individual scores are far out of sync with the others.
    For those of you about to post:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanr Zij
    That link is a real OC.... He's the son of OJDR2001!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwimmerBoy
    That link is a real OC.... He's the son of OJDR2001!!
    That's no cheat indeed. It was done with my old CPU (got rid of it a year ago....) under my r404a prommie (pretty bad clocker i know) and it was not patched.....
    And yes, i'm ojdr2001 son :P

    Btw why did u think that was a cheated score?

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    Anti Cheating version of Super Pi can be downloaded here.

    hopefully we don't get some dumbass that thinks this is a challenge for his programming skills and goes and writes a cheat program for it, like we had with people trying to break CPUZ 1.26...
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    cna u plz check this??? i think he did super pi at highter frquenzy and then took the screen lowering frequency...thx


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