TCCD and high voltage mystery explained

[drunkenmaster]

well have to say, though i think most of what corsair does is crap, months behind everyone else and generally at a premium dealing off their small 4-6 month period of putting out better stuff than others(hasn't been that way for a long time) their PRO range of mem with heatspreaders have the basic idea down, unless you're using a thermalright xp120(is the hyper x and asus ice cooler better than it due to copper ness?) then you ahve lots of space upwards from the mobo. You really can't fit wider spreaders with more fins, but extending the heatspreaders up will increase area for cooling a lot. If someone can actually sort out a decent tim to attach them then something that increases area would be most welcome, and will make fan cooling that much more affective.

PS< ryan, i take it this means the BS in other thread about OCZ and others admiting voltage limiting is shens?

PPS< while its nice it will do higher timings at 2,2,2,5, 3.4v or was it 3.5v in teh review to hit 257Mhz is similar to bh-5, it has more headroom above that to hit much higher fsb at lower timings, but we still don't have a bh-5 trade in type of mem here, IMHO. I'm getting some to play with cos 1gig seems to do very well, bh-5 x 1gb is difficult. but for benching, bh-5 + 3.6v is the win.

[Nanobot]

Problem is tho, memory Dimms are so close together heatsinks make this impossible.

Im on my DFI, i use dimms 1 & 3 so i have a 1/2" area between the memory dimms to allow me to do something. Fan is OK, but fans wont truly disspate all the heat from the memory..

I have found the same advantage running in 1&3 even tho Oskar recommends 1&2,for some reason 1&2 dont work out as well as 1&3 for stability in my system(heat ?).

[trans am]

I have found the same advantage running in 1&3 even tho Oskar recommends 1&2,for some reason 1&2 dont work out as well as 1&3 for stability in my system(heat ?).

Yeah I just figured 1 and 3 would be the best, simply because air can pass through dim 2. The only thing I can see that using 1 and 2 will do for you is generate a lot of heat. After reading that thread where oskar mentioned I decided to switch to 1and2. Just made everything hotter. and btw, dram drive strength 1 and 2 gives me no post. lol

[ryanpgroovy]

I dont know where all OCZ voltage limiting talk comes from , Mostly nonsense , though I did try to explain what our EVP ( what people mistake for voltage limiting ) really is. after that people said I was dodging the question , at which point I gave up trying to say anything about it.

Chip Fabs are the only ones doing voltage limiting on chip and they do it for pretty specific reasons , such as limiting the power draw , limiting heat output , ect ect ...


We can only control that on chips that are made for OCZ...

[GenTarkin]

arent you guyz afraid of killing ram at 3.8v LOL or does that not happen anymore? that voltage just seems outrageous to me.

[trans am]

arent you guyz afraid of killing ram at 3.8v LOL or does that not happen anymore? that voltage just seems outrageous to me.

My question is if you run 3.8v etc. can that damage the ATHlon 64 cpu since it has the mem controller integrated on the cpu? I've been running 3.4v 24/7 and so far no problems.

[lalPOOO]

I don't think there will be a lot of people running 3.8v. Probably more then there would have been 6 months ago, with no boosters out, but i don't think most people will go past 3.3v or so. The people that do run 3.8v generally know what they're doing

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

i would defiently say this ram is better than bh-5.

[eva2000]

sooo that die revision enough for OCZ to tag on rev2.1 to the label to differentiate future batches of OCZ PC3200 Plat rev2s?

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

sooo that die revision enough for OCZ to tag on rev2.1 to the label to differentiate future batches of OCZ PC3200 Plat rev2s?

yeah i would think thats a good idea. people wont like the fact that there is superclocking ram labeled the same as good but not super ram.

[morbidj]

You two make a very good point, so whats the deal OCZ are you gonna help us out with ID'ing the the newer mems so we dont have to go the Mushkin route in search of the Super TCCD?

[megahurtz-oc]

ya really i was about to buy some mushy. ill wait and see what ocz says.

[saaya]

if I could get some 1:1 DDR 600 stable ram at 2-2-2-5-T1 I would spend 400.00 on a pair without blinking. I wonder what my OCZ 3700EB would be worth if this happens??

your heard the man!

and hes not the only one, i can tell you

[Lithan]

Not many options for aircooling ram Build out and you limit how many sticks you can use, build up and you start blocking drive bays in most cases.

[SHiRaKaWa]

ALL I can say is thanks to ryanpgroovy, other ocz guys, colin and everyone who helped solving this mystery.
I'm new here in this forum.
And in these few days that I've joined: the mushkins were asked, the reviewer came, and the engineers worked on the question.
Certainly this forum is full of great people and is more than just the word "beneficial".
It is simply THE FORUM

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

ALL I can say is thanks to ryanpgroovy, other ocz guys, colin and everyone who helped solving this mystery.
I'm new here in this forum.
And in these few days that I've joined: the mushkins were asked, the reviewer came, and the engineers worked on the question.
Certainly this forum is full of great people and is more than just the word "beneficial".
It is simply THE FORUM

yeah you will find this is a pretty interesting place. people from all different coutnries, races, and religions brought together by one truly fun thing, overclocking!


and lithan, there is one easy way to almost double surface area on the heatspreaders. ive mentioned this before, its to use a wave or crinkle pattern on the outer surface of the spreaders. this little diagram you can see how much more area there is compared to a flat design.

normal spreaders. ---------------

my vision /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

of course the gradient doesnt have to be so drastic.

[saaya]

ALL I can say is thanks to ryanpgroovy, other ocz guys, colin and everyone who helped solving this mystery.
I'm new here in this forum.
And in these few days that I've joined: the mushkins were asked, the reviewer came, and the engineers worked on the question.
Certainly this forum is full of great people and is more than just the word "beneficial".
It is simply THE FORUM

welcome to XtremeSystems

yeah, thats why i love this place so much many many great, nice, friendly, helpfull, wise, talented and smart people

and now your a part of it welcome to the sickness!
make yourself a home and have fun!

if you have any questions or problems feel free to pm me or any other mod


great work ryan, eric, steven, tony and colin and sorry again if i sounded a bit harsh towards you colin

[corrupt]

Well I just ordered some OCZ 3200 rev 2 before I read this thread, I should have them tuesday night and I will give them some voltage and let you guys know how they do.

[saaya]

yeah you will find this is a pretty interesting place. people from all different coutnries, races, and religions brought together by one truly fun thing, overclocking!


and lithan, there is one easy way to almost double surface area on the heatspreaders. ive mentioned this before, its to use a wave or crinkle pattern on the outer surface of the spreaders. this little diagram you can see how much more area there is compared to a flat design.

normal spreaders. ---------------

my vision /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

of course the gradient doesnt have to be so drastic.

about the heatspreaders, keep in mind that they have to be flat on some spots to contact the ic's!

so maybe /\/\/\____/\/\/\____/\/\/\ ?

think that would look really nice as well

the best would still be if ocz or other manufacturers would just epoxy thermaltake copper or alu ramsinks to each ic but im sure that would cost quite a bit more...

Well I just ordered some OCZ 3200 rev 2 before I read this thread, I should have them tuesday night and I will give them some voltage and let you guys know how they do.

cool! make sure to post your results

[STEvil]

I pushed 3.9v into my bh-6 with an 80mm over top and they didnt get too hot, but with even 2.8v and no airflow they were cooking.

Same went for my tccd's too, actually..

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

what i mean saaya is just the outer part. imagine this as one solid peice of metal. the ram and another spreader. really messed up scale though.

remember, if you ocz guys think this is a good idea and use it you could just send me a set of ram to repay me.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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-====-====-
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\/\/\/\/\/\/\

not sure about how much extra cost that would add though. and yeah if the HS were made better so that they contacted the chips better than a TIM could be used. like corsairs pro series, the chips use a TIM. alot of the thermal pads suck. the mushkin ones have a fabric. the best ones ive seen was on a pair of aftermarket heatspreaders i bought. the pads were made by 3M and they seemed to work very well.

[saaya]

i think the ocz heatspreaders also use a tape from 3m no?

and i think it would be really hard to get the folded metal to make good contact with the straight metal that contacts the ic's dude...

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

i think the ocz heatspreaders also use a tape from 3m no?

and i think it would be really hard to get the folded metal to make good contact with the straight metal that contacts the ic's dude...

yup that is true, but some heatsinks use bonded fins. also they could cut the grooves.

i think the best and easiest thing would be getting a good way to replace the pads with TIM. only probably with that is then ocz would be getting sticks back that were short circuit by some goof thinking it would be a good idea to smear them with half a tube of AS5.

[Geforce4ti4200]

looks like bh5's days are numbered! however, let me point out eshbach hit 285fsb at 2.5-3-3-7 at 2.8v, youd need 260fsb 2-2-2-5 to match his bandwith! sometimes relaxing timings for higher fsb is just as good and at much less volts too

[eshbach]

looks like bh5's days are numbered! however, let me point out eshbach hit 285fsb at 2.5-3-3-7 at 2.8v, youd need 260fsb 2-2-2-5 to match his bandwith! sometimes relaxing timings for higher fsb is just as good and at much less volts too

umm, me and every other person with TCCD on brainpower.

anyway, i'm still interested to see what the new TCCD does at 2.5-3-3 with volts