How far do you think amd's winchester 4000+ at 2.6GHz will overclock

[Geforce4ti4200]

I know I have yet to find overclocking stats, but I will sooner or later. I dont think anyone has one yet for review or testing and those with engineering samples may be under NDA. I know I have taken a bit of heat for saying 3GHz overclocks should be commonplace on 90nm winchesters. I mean air cooling too. so what do you think those 2.6GHz 4000+ winchesters will overclock with air? I have a 3200+ 2.2GHz that does like 2.6GHz and I am not the only one. This is higher than amd's 3400+ their top speed bin. winchester will start at 2.6GHz but what makes some of you think itll oc for crap? Please post reasonable logic and common sense. No flames or thread crap please

[Geforce4ti4200]

thanks for voting, keep em comming. also who voted for "no overclock" wanna comment why?

[Dojo | Warlord]

I think 3.0GHz will be about average for the 2.6 4000+, but at first they may struggle to hit 2.8 due to immatureity, but after awhile I think 3.0GHz should be attainable on air.

A 400MHz OC isn't too far-fetched.

[Karnivore]

Just went down to the fortune teller on the corner, cost me 5 bux

She said initially the immaturity of the process is going to give us 2.7-2.9 typical clocks, she then went on to say, shortly after, they'll have a few wrinkles worked out and we'll all be in the 3.0-3.7 mark depending on our cooling.. What really surprised me was when she said, on a cold January day someone from Xtremesystems.org would knock off 4ghz

[sparkie34]

Originally posted by Karnivore
Just went down to the fortune teller on the corner, cost me 5 bux

She said initially the immaturity of the process is going to give us 2.7-2.9 typical clocks, she then went on to say, shortly after, they'll have a few wrinkles worked out and we'll all be in the 3.0-3.7 mark depending on our cooling.. What really surprised me was when she said, on a cold January day someone from Xtremesystems.org would knock off 4ghz

[Jupiler]

Originally posted by Karnivore
Just went down to the fortune teller on the corner, cost me 5 bux

She said initially the immaturity of the process is going to give us 2.7-2.9 typical clocks, she then went on to say, shortly after, they'll have a few wrinkles worked out and we'll all be in the 3.0-3.7 mark depending on our cooling.. What really surprised me was when she said, on a cold January day someone from Xtremesystems.org would knock off 4ghz

Did she tell who's gonna be the lucky one?

[DrJay]

Hmmmmmm,.....in my estimation, this is the best poll ever in these forums. Oh yeah, 4 gig on the cpu easy. Probably with a passive heatsink.

[s e t h]

i voted 3ghz average. any decent aircooler can get 300mhz out of most current chips. hoping for a little better with 90um. but as been stated before it may not be true of the first batches

[JNav89GT]

initially 2.75-2.85

after i buy one, new chips will hit 200mhz higher oc's. Least that's how it generally works for me. :O

[Geforce4ti4200]

so far most people say those will hit 3GHz, something ive been telling the pessimistic who think amd cant get 3Ghz on 90nm LOL

[DrJay]

Yeah,.....if only we had listened to you,...we could have avoided this humiliation.

[OC Detective]

The thing is this is entirely dependent on timing. As has been pointed out if a 4000+ comes out 4th quarter it is likely that the initial overclocks will be poor - due to AMD getting to grips with the new die shrink. However it is entirely possible that AMD introduce lower speed Winchesters whilst improving upon yields - then once the technology is a bit more mature they release a 4000+ in the 1st quarter 2005 which may attain 3Ghz from the get go. The thing is at the moment Intel dont have anything that can compete with their top tier cpus now that they have delayed their 4GHZ cpu so the pressure to release 4000+ is not there. Just because the majority are saying it will attain 3Ghz is not necessarily a reflection of what people expect straight away - rather a reflection once the process has matured. If you had said what overclock do you expect from the first batches if the 4000+ is launched in October I think you would get a different result.

[bldegle2]

sooner or later AMD will hit the 3 gig mark, it is inevitable. hopefully AMD stuffs will OC to 3 gig sooner than later.

i don't know that the 'evidence' is overwhelming, 17 posters have voted for 3 gig or more out of 320+ views, this represents a little over 50% of the total voters that voted in the poll, not most, but it is a trend.

baldy

[kakaroto]

i dont get the point Ti4200 what you wanna acceive with this poll.

I don't wanna flame you or some, but now ...

--- It wont overclock at all past stock 2.6 there will be bad 90nm

"WIll it hit 3GHz on air Y/N?? " :S TIME will tell Dude. All those votes are guesses. That not what users want read.

When the first 90nm is out in store then the OC results will appear very soon on this Forum. No poll needed..

I think you overextimated the A64 to much. 3GHz on air is like a obsession for you isn't it??

[Garrett]

Originally posted by Jupiler


Did she tell who's gonna be the lucky one?

Geforce4ti4200 is gonna be the lucky one

He's always the predictive type if you ask me... how many 3dmarks can I get with this and that system and videocard...

[Shade00]

Wow... you make baseless claims, then you attempt to substantiate your own predictions by asking others to predict. Sorry GF4, but speculation by others is still not proof. An educated guess, along with empirical examples, would lead one to believe that early chips would not overclock extraordinarily well. Look back at any of the first revisions when either chipmaker switched to a new process. Palominos didn't overclock well at first. TbredAs didn't, either. TbredBs bumped up the ceiling, but it has still taken quite a while to get where we are with the current AXPs. The first Northwoods didn't do that hot, but later revisions improved overclocking tremendously. Same thing happened with the Prescotts. It's just a fact... as yields improve, overclocking will improve, but it generally takes a little time to get the process down well.

So chill out, GF4. Don't take this poll to another forum and use it as "proof" or as a "rave" about the overclocking. In your previous claim you said you had heard numerous "raves" about Winchester overclocking, and that went down to just one when we pressed you for proof. Subsequently, you directed us to Google, which again didn't satisfy anyone; now, you're turning a poll.

Edit: By the way, your poll is kind of limiting. You don't take into account the different kinds of cooling, and as always, overclocks will vary by chip.

[dcpusher]

probably 2.8-3 at first but more after that.

[slavik]

I told him not to post it ...

shade, nice quote

[fareastgq]

well for what it's worth, even though it's all speculation, which is kinda worthless, but fun still I suppose, seeing how even the first bartons that came out, and I do mean first, I paid $180 for my first barton aquca , it easily did 2.4gigs on air stable 24/7. non lapped slk800u mind u, yes it did have the grooves in it, which I wasn't happy about, but oh well, it wasn't some crap air cooler like some other brands. anyway, I predict at least 400 mhz (on air) , and when it matures into a better process 400-800 I imagine would be possible (of course water cooling or better would come into play here most likely, air is a bit limiting). There's really only 1 reasoning to it, 9nm fx55 is only at the bottom, there's plenty of head room. Another prediction is though, because the process is smaller, it may not handle volts as well, or being optimistic, it DOES handle volts as well, and it will oc like a mofo.... we all hope

[EnJoY]

I voted for average of 3.0GHz. But in all honesty, I just like reading GeForce4's posts... They are always good for a laugh.

[IvanAndreevich]

3.0 Ghz should be an average overclock? I love you, optimists. But please - be more realistic. But hey - I'd be happy if it was true!

[JWB]

400mhz is not a big overclock even for air, I think 3Ghz WILL be reached...but the questions is will that be stable?? People seem to think because Intel had problems going down to 90mm that AMD will have too. What they do not realize is that AMD would have learned from Intels mistakes (hopefully). People was also saying that overclocks would not be going to well until AMD gets the 64bit ironed out, but they seemed to do ok then didn't they?. 3Ghz WILL be attainable (of course some badly clocking cpus will not reach it, but with good air cooling 400mhz is not alot to expect. Especially with cool air like the minus air temps we get here is the UK in winter).

Yes geforce does make ALOT of predictions and it annoys me too, but what is 400mhz??

[Shade00]

Originally posted by JWB
400mhz is not a big overclock even for air, I think 3Ghz WILL be reached...but the questions is will that be stable?? People seem to think because Intel had problems going down to 90mm that AMD will have too. What they do not realize is that AMD would have learned from Intels mistakes (hopefully). People was also saying that overclocks would not be going to well until AMD gets the 64bit ironed out, but they seemed to do ok then didn't they?. 3Ghz WILL be attainable (of course some badly clocking cpus will not reach it, but with good air cooling 400mhz is not alot to expect. Especially with cool air like the minus air temps we get here is the UK in winter).

Yes geforce does make ALOT of predictions and it annoys me too, but what is 400mhz??

I don't exactly know how AMD would've learned from Intel's mistakes. Do they have a spy who tells AMD what not to do?

Seriously, look back at what I said earlier. Every time a company tries a new process their yields aren't great. We will see 3ghz coming out of the 90nm chips, but most likely not at first. 400mhz is a bigger deal than you might imagine. My old TbredA 1700+ wouldn't give me a 400mhz overclock, and most TbredA 2200+s wouldn't even give 100mhz. That was AMD's first attempt at 130nm. Just because they didn't have any problems getting it out certainly didn't mean that the overclocks were excellent.

Give AMD some time and we'll hit that mark. It just won't happen right away.

[iboomalot]

if the 90nm winchesters are made as well as the 754/939 then 300-400 mhz should be within reach.

let just cross our fingers.

[Geforce4ti4200]

there are 7 people that think 90nm is maxed out and cant oc, well I got news, my 130nm does 2.6GHz, if 90nm cant oc, no on will buy it then