The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

[msimax]

hey Xyus89 i have a problem im trying to solve with x2 if i set the cpu to 2ghz and im in win when i use clockgen to overclock say to 2.5 everything shows my overclock except
bench scores. i want to see if u can duplicate this or if its just my system ex. set stock speed in bios load win use sandra or whatever and get a score the overclock using clock gen and get the score. the problem with me is that the benchs follow what ever my bios is set to. doesnt matter if im at 3.0 i get 2.0 scores same with mem benches.. it will show your overclock in corecenter,cpuz whatever but the actual speed isnt there but if i overclock in bios everything is fast...



if any experienced this let me know

[msimax]

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[msimax]

this means i cant get to 3.0 cause it will keep rebooting before i can get in windows and add more voltage with corecenter

[Sonic9]

CD what's timings/frequency/volt for your tccd ? especailly on Twtr/Trtw/Twr & Trrd ?

[CD 1986]

CD what's timings/frequency/volt for your tccd ? especailly on Twtr/Trtw/Twr & Trrd ?

Currently i run it at 270mhz...although it tops out at around 280mhz using 2.5-3-3 timings, and 2.5-4-4 gives too much of a performance hit i find. It seems to like lower voltages better, 2.6-2.7v, but i've found 2.70v to be the best for my particular memory.

Timings i use:

Trc = 12
Trfc = 18
Twtr = 2
Trtw = 3
Twr = 3
Trrd = 3

I don't think the looser timings, even the Trrd at 3 instead of 2, decrease the performance noticeably, but helps stabilise it at higher clocks.

[ElAguila]

I tried the rev2 tccd bios and for some reason my memory didn't like that bios. I am not sure what memory these patriot sticks use. I went back to rev2 and things are much better now. I thought about trying the ballistix bios.

[D3kMatrix]

CD whats the week code on ur TCCDs?

[sideeffect]

Just one thing D3kMatrix you forgot to mention in your bios list that my mod enables the 150 and 183 dividers which is the main reason for the bios

[CD 1986]

CD whats the week code on ur TCCDs?

Don't know what week they are. Heatspreaders mean i can't see what's on the chips, and CPU-z doesn't show the manufacture date of the chips either...comes out as 00000000000 or something like that.

[D3kMatrix]

Just one thing D3kMatrix you forgot to mention in your bios list that my mod enables the 150 and 183 dividers which is the main reason for the bios

Fixed, thanks

Dunno how I missed the best option :P

Also as of right now for the R2, TCCD, and Ballisitx editions in the details I just say "- Same as v1.A0 Rev1 Plus…"
Do you think I could be clearer if I just listed ALL of options in each box for each of the modified BIOS?

Don't know what week they are. Heatspreaders mean i can't see what's on the chips, and CPU-z doesn't show the manufacture date of the chips either...comes out as 00000000000 or something like that.

Doh, aight thanks

[sideeffect]

Yes thats good now nice and clear.

Nice list you have there now.

[D3kMatrix]

=)

Also added the v1.A4 MOD that Murdok requested.

[sideeffect]

Probably better to add murdoks version of the 1.A4 all i did was unlock the dividers for him to make the mod I didnt do anytthing else to the bios like unhide options or enable usb 2.0 etc. So its pretty bare.

The 1.A4 xmod can be got from here Download

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[D3kMatrix]

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I never even knew about that BIOS, anymore I'm missing?

Kinda hard to keep track of the german forum :P

BTW: SE ur 1.A0 R1 saved my ass today, I need to RMA my G.Skills cuz they won't run in spec, so I'm running my friends BH5 and the 150MHz divider worked perfect for me =)
280x10 w/ 150 = 210MHz @ 2-3-2-10 2.85v

So thanks for all ur work you have done here, really helps out =)

[CD 1986]

*Drum Role*

New bios from SE about to be tested...a version of 1.A with voltage options up to 18%

[D3kMatrix]

good luck =)

If it works im sure there will be a lot of happy water/phase users out there :P

[CD 1986]

Bit off-topic, but was looking at your 24hr Prime screenshot...noticed you have it on priority 1...will it still pass for that long on priority 9/10?

[Lestat]

soooooo ???? is this rev 4 just the TCCD version ? ballistix version ??

im a little lost here fellas your releasing too many bios's too fast...

so whats with the rev 4 ?

[CD 1986]

Do you mean the 1.A4?

That's just a beta, relesased before the official 1.A. Sideeffect's working on putting the extra voltages into the bios...so that could end up being a rev4.

[Lestat]

well lets see we have the tccd version the ballistic version the Xmod which i thinhk is the ballistic version then there is rev 1 rev 2 then if you look over at the german site there is a few other versions..

please guys put change log files with the bios's this rar or zip with nothing but a bin file is giving me a headache i dont know what bios does what.

pretty please can you do that. ?


i guess at this point it dont matter simply cuz until MSI fixes the issue with PCI ide and SATA cards i cant use the 1.AX bios... so...

[D3kMatrix]

Bit off-topic, but was looking at your 24hr Prime screenshot...noticed you have it on priority 1...will it still pass for that long on priority 9/10?

heh never noticed that, I'm sure it would tho.
I'll try some later.

please guys put change log files with the bios's this rar or zip with nothing but a bin file is giving me a headache I don’t know what bios does what.

pretty please can you do that. ?
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All of the BIOS's that Sideeffect has been releasing do have .rtf documents that contain change logs.

And the description for each BIOS on the site in my sig should help too :P

And the 1.A4 is an OLD beta BIOS, its not a "Rev#" version because it was out before the official release of 1.A4 and it doesn’t have any changed memory timings, just options unhidden by Murdok and added dividers by Sideeffect.

[CD 1986]

Unfortunately SE couldn't get the extra voltage options working...

[sideeffect]

Yes the no change logs winds me up as well thats why i include a full changelog with every bios i release.

The 1.A official mod was my first release the rev 2 was with modified memory timings.

The Ballistix and TCCD release are pretty self explanatory if you have TCCD use one Ballistix use the other. If you have neither use the rev 1 or rev 2.

The German bios files are nothing to do with me. Except the 1.A4 which i modded to include 150 and 183 dividers but I didnt want to release a beta bios so thats Murdok's bios and he has set the defaults for it.

The reason there needs to be a few releases is because MSI hasnt included the memory options and i can only force 1 lot of options on bios boot and one lot wont work with some ram but works well with other ram.

I tried my best to unlock the +13 +15 +18 percent voltage options. Spent a lot of time on it hacked all the code in from the 1.36 bios to the 1.A. Flashed the bios and it wouldnt load bios setup .... So its imposible at this time to add them.

Lestat im now working on a solution to the bad agp performance on some configurations. So hopefully i can make a bios you can use.

[desolator]

SE
1nce againb, thnx for the ballistix edition man, thts been of like the greatest help to me n
scores are increasing, now i jes wanna get my hands on an XP90 and push this baby to the max

thnx alot for the hardwork man and modding teh bios

[Lestat]

SE the only thing i didnt try was to reflash the video card AFTER i flashed the mobo to see if anything changed.

but since the mobo bios is what caused the flakey performing AGP imnot sure that it would help.

Had you seen other people talking about poor agp performance with that bios also ? or am i the only freak among the bunch. ?

that sucks the 1.36 wont take the memory timings wonder why

right now my neo2 is so frekaing goofy.. for no reason i dropped the vdimm down to 2.7v which i had already done many many times and im able to get 2.5-4-3-10 1T@280mhz, there is no explanation as to why its working now on the 1.36 when before it never worked with the 1.36 or 1.8 or 1.Ax just very wierd.

Honestly this bothers me,, its like that final burst before something dies ya know... so im not gunna flash the bios or anything unless i have to..
I guess for right now i'll just not say anymore for fear that my mobo will hear me and go back to not letting me have good memory clocks.

I can also confirm that the 1.Ax also caused sandra benches to go lower. Those memory settings that are hidden and wont show in the bios arent for speed they are pretty much a stability setting so not sure why they would cause sandra to drop.

keep up the good fight and we all thank you many many times over for all the time your putting into this.

Have you contacted MSI yet to let them know some of the things your doing or have found ? Or do you know if Murdock has ? i know he's in contact with them or submit's bug reports.