The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

**Garrett** · 08-09-2005, 10:20 AM

My BH5 runs @ 270 on my Neo2... so no it doesn't hate it.

I don't have redline or VX, but my 2nd set (1st set is 2x256bh5) is UTT 2x512 "so called ch5" and does 267 without problems...

**Lestat** · 08-09-2005, 10:33 AM

BH5 and neo2 dont mix dude you just have crap ram and a crap board.

im not sure what your issues has been with the bh5 you have had but if it dont work on your board then its bad ram or a bad board end of story

the neo2 loves BH5

**Vega** · 08-09-2005, 12:57 PM

I can easily run fsb250+ in memtest but in windows I can only hit fsb234. Everything higher than that result in "freezing" when OS load!

I use 2-2-2-8 timings, 3.3~3.4V
The CPU is not the problem!
I cool my memorys and booster with a 120mm fan.

I adjust my rails today but nothing changed!

3,4V
12,2V
5,1V

What more can I do?
How can I raise my chipset voltage?
System in sign.

Thank´s

**Jhya** · 08-09-2005, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Garrett

My BH5 runs @ 270 on my Neo2... so no it doesn't hate it.

I don't have redline or VX, but my 2nd set (1st set is 2x256bh5) is UTT 2x512 "so called ch5" and does 267 without problems...

I like to see some screen shot please. And it must be 2X512MB of BH-5. It's pointless if you got 2x256MB BH-5 to 270MHz cuz anyone can get to that.

Please post your system setup also please! That will help others that are trying to get to 250+ MHz on their 2x512MB BH-5 ram.

Lestat, I notice you're using the OCZ PC4800 ram in your sig. From my understanding those are samsung memory chips. Have you ever tested 2x512MB BH-5 RAM in your Neo2 personally? If not, you don't get to make that conclusion.

If Sleepy Samurai is trying to narrow down the problem on his system, it is not helping him if you just conclude blindly his OCZ rams are bad without considering other factors such as incompatibility between the ram and Neo2 motherboard.

**Lestat** · 08-09-2005, 01:57 PM

Jhya its not helping by you saying that the neo2 hates bh5 thats bull

and you know it.

this board has been around long enough and so have i and the FEW people who have had issues with BH5 it was either a goofy mobo or goofy ram

your conclusion that ALL bh5 is bad for the neo2 is rediculous!

there is nothing wrong with BH5 and the NEO2 and YES i have ive tested Mushkin Redline 4000 265 2-2-2-5 it wasnt mine but i wished it was

dude i have offered possible fixes if you have tried them and they dont work then RMA the ram... the GUARENTEE that stuff to run a certain speed at a certain voltage and -

1: Unless you ahve a DDR booster the NEO2 does not offer enough volts to make that BH5 ram run...
2. go to the OCZ section this isnt the right place to ask... there is a specific section with OCZ Technicians here who help people such as yourself who aer having issues.

the UTT is absolutely no different from the bh5 besides the fact its not bh5 and its not as good as bh5...

if your claiming BH5 is no good are you gunna tell me that before 1 year ago when TCCD came out that EVERYONE was using Samsung and Hynix chips on their NEO2's ? thats rediculous..

**2virgule5** · 08-09-2005, 02:19 PM

to answer #2193 /2194, I've been running an X2 - 4200+ (that is 2.2 GHz w 512k L1 for each core) on my Neo2 Platinum for the past 7 days.

My previous CPU was a 3200+ Winnie, I was able to get 2.6 Ghz prime stable with the same mobo, with vcore at 1.55+10% in bios (260 HTT x 10), and a Zalman Reserator passive watercooling.

My X2 works well with either 1.9 or 1.A3 bios. Default vcore is rated at 1.29 / 1.30 v (given that this value is read correctly by CPU-Z). First I was unable to set default vcore to any other value than the "startup" one (no boot), what I did was to flash again the bios with the "updtae all" option (DMI, Bootblock, etc. with Winflash). Now, with 1.55 v +10% selected in bios, the actual vcore indicated with CPU-Z is in the range of 1.53 to 1.58 (seems quite unstable). Otherwise, at this vcore, a stable overclock at ~ 2600 to 2650 came on quite easily (260 to 265 HTT x 10 multiplier). As my RAM cannot be used at higher speed than 220 fsb (Corsair Value PC3200 CAS 2.5), I had to use the "166" divider and relax some of the timings to get it perfectly stable. Any higher overclock led the core 0 to fail in Prime95, while core 1 can stay Prime95 stable at 2700+ MHz.

The only and main issue with this is about cold boot : once oveclocked and after the shutdown, I cannot boot again without clearing the CMOS and setting up the bios correctly. This does not happend with default non overclocked values, it happends with both 1.9 and 1.A3 bios. It seems that any overclock with HHT higher than ~220 is causing this cold boot issue. Even modified 1.9 and 1.A3 with no temperature mod are useless to fix this.

It is a shame for now (from an moderate overclocker perspective), but we can hope that this will be fixed in a future bios revision. Other than that, I'm quite pleased with the stability and performance of those new dual-core CPU on an almost 2 years old MB.

2,5

**sideeffect** · 08-09-2005, 02:42 PM

Im also getting this cold boot issue now. But only because im using 300htt. At 275htt it always booted fine. Now i have to boot and wait and it starts defaults then i quickly enter bios and save and it boots fine. Stable. (1.8 bios)

Hopefully they will add the load from defaults option to the 1.A3 bios so that u dont have to clear cmos all the time, that must suck.

**h4nc0** · 08-09-2005, 08:52 PM

Try using different Vcore setting. 1.55v option resulted in the cold-boot problem, so I switched different setting, and now it works. (Both combo gave me around 1.35v for running X2 4400+ @ 250x10)

**2virgule5** · 08-09-2005, 10:05 PM

#2222/2223

Thanks, I'm going to try different settings.

sideeffect, how come that you can enter the bios after a cold boot : nothing happends for me if I wait...

**sideeffect** · 08-10-2005, 02:26 AM

Its because with all the bios before 1.9 if the bios cant boot it will boot with slower settings.

**Lestat** · 08-10-2005, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Its because with all the bios before 1.9 if the bios cant boot it will boot with slower settings.

did they actually fix that ?
i thought only the 1.8 and lower had the "safe mode" setting. when overclocking fails.
i LOVE that about these bios's if it fails 99% of the time you just shut down and start up again and start tapping Insert and its in 'safe mode' which is just a lower speed on cpu and ram. unlike sooo many other mobo's where you have to reset the bios.. ggrrr...

redline 4000 is on the way... mmm finally i get to own a set and not just test it.. mmmmm cant wait..

**sideeffect** · 08-10-2005, 06:30 AM

Thats what im saying lestat i have 1.8 so safe mode works for me fine when i get cold boot bug. 2virgule5 has 1.9 bios so he has to reset cmos everythime it cold boots.

**Lestat** · 08-10-2005, 06:42 AM

ohh i thought you said 1.9 had it.

man what do we lol or should i say NFM gotta do to put that safe mode back in.. once again its a feature i could kill MSI for removing.. i mean frankly thas just retarded...

im testing the 1.36 Rev 4 right now... ill let you know how it goes

i can tell you right now though the temp bug is sooo obvious lol omg 38c idle at default voltages ?!! i think not.. that should be reading 30c

does the temp bug cause the cpu to throttle back ? i hope not...

**Budwise** · 08-10-2005, 07:28 AM

so far 1.A3Mod by Syar seems to be my favorite. Lots of extra options, and defaults are set a bit different. Most of all it fixed my CPU Spread Spectrum bug.

**Zeus...** · 08-10-2005, 08:26 AM

Just got back off Holidays - has the 1.9 Bios sorted out the issues with the Venice core - or is it still having issues - sorry havnt time to read all the post since at home

**Lestat** · 08-10-2005, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Budwise

so far 1.A3Mod by Syar seems to be my favorite. Lots of extra options, and defaults are set a bit different. Most of all it fixed my CPU Spread Spectrum bug.

can you provide a link to this bios ?

and what 'extra' options are there ?

link link link lol...

**sideeffect** · 08-10-2005, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Zeus...

Just got back off Holidays - has the 1.9 Bios sorted out the issues with the Venice core - or is it still having issues - sorry havnt time to read all the post since at home

No Zeus the 1.9 bios isnt that great. Its not terrible but not as good as the 1.8. The 1.A3 bios looks promising though.

**Zeus...** · 08-10-2005, 09:42 AM

Thats for that sideeffect

Looks like we r

havn't been over at DFI street yet - has the 'DFI LanParty UT NF3 Ultra' got the bios sorted yet? will take even longer to get though those posts

**Millyons** · 08-10-2005, 11:20 AM

whats the best way to flash the neo2 bios, what i mean do any switches need to be used if flashing from fdd

**Lestat** · 08-10-2005, 11:25 AM

here is what i use

just replace the rom name with whatever you call yours

AWFL833D 180Rev3.BIN /py/sn/wb/cc/cd/cp/f

i make a bat file, rename it to flash.bat and paste that into the bat file then in dos just type flash.bat

**Sleepy Samurai** · 08-10-2005, 11:27 AM

I need to replace my South

bridge HSF quickly, what should i buy?

I am looking at the Vantec Iceberq Copper VGA/Chipset Fan.

MSI sent me a tiny little thing as a replacment saying they were out of stock. The heatsink is smaller than the stock fan of the MSI NB.

**Lestat** · 08-10-2005, 11:28 AM

yeah a vantec one will work for now just watch your temps and its a southbridge not a northbridge lol..

just really watch those temps

**Millyons** · 08-10-2005, 11:31 AM

thanks well i just got the neo2, 4 sticks of OCZ Gold and a 3000 e6 so the fun starts

although i did read a bit that the gpfw steping that i god might not be to great

edit: does anyone use a E6 Venice with a pre 1.9 bios and is it stable since i rather use 1.8nfm

**Lestat** · 08-10-2005, 11:46 AM

yeah dont use the 1.9 i think everyone here pretty much sticks with the 1.36 or 1.8 if they have a venice

4 sticks of OCZ ouch this board aint gunna like that...

**Millyons** · 08-10-2005, 11:58 AM

naw im just gonna run 2 stick the other 2 sticks are for other system / backup since from my country it would be hard to do an rma if i need (god forbid)....i just said 4 since im gonna use the best 2 in the neo2

is there a difference between 1.8 and 1.36b for OC with BH5?

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