Newcastle 3200+ vs Clawhammer 3200+ review

[Kamerat]

One problem if you test with PC2700 RAM is that the RAM will run at 157MHz (/14 of CPU) on the 3200+ NC 2,2GHz and at 167MHz (/12 of CPU) on the 3200+ CH 2,0GHz.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Kamerat
One problem if you test with PC2700 RAM is that the RAM will run at 157MHz (/14 of CPU) on the 3200+ NC 2,2GHz and at 167MHz (/12 of CPU) on the 3200+ CH 2,0GHz.

Mem was 1:1 all tests...

[Kamerat]

OK then...

[gouda96]

Karnivore, are the fastest speeds you tested the max oc's for the chips?

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by gouda96
Karnivore, are the fastest speeds you tested the max oc's for the chips?

Originally posted by Karnivore The Newcastle did max stable 2526 @ 1.7V Air cooled, boxed cooling, didn't get a chance to put it under the Prom.

The Clawhammer maxed out 2500 under the prom @ 1.7V

The clawhammer was pretty much a DUD of a clocker, maxed about 2250-2300 on boxed cooling. Would have really liked to have more time with the processors, including putting the NC under the Prommie..

[gouda96]

Oh god...I forgot who I was talking too here because you changed your avatar lol. I think I asked that same question or something like it before.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by gouda96
Oh god...I forgot who I was talking too here because you changed your avatar lol. I think I asked that same question or something like it before.

No matter, only dumb question is the one unasked, or some other Confucious saying

[Riddic]

So if you were going to do gaming, and not oc either of them which one would you go with?

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Riddic
So if you were going to do gaming, and not oc either of them which one would you go with?

You wouldn't notice any difference in gaming....

[ColdFlare]

Which one runs hotter? I've been playing with my clawhammer and newcastle both 3200+. At default speeds the clawhammer runs lots cooler than the newcastle.

[gouda96]

Which one performs better at max oc, and what are the respective max oc's?

[ColdFlare]

Originally posted by gouda96
Which one performs better at max oc, and what are the respective max oc's?

The newcastle beats the clawhammer by a little bit. The newcastle 0416 rpmw I have maxs out with watercooling at 2600mhz. The clawhammer maxes out 2380 around there. Performance is about the same. However the clawhammer is cooler. I had a delta of 6c full load and idle with default speed and volts fo clawhammer. I have a delta of 8-10c for newcastle default speeds and volts. One was 2000mhz clawhammer and the other 2200mhz newcastle. Both 3200+

[Radical_53]

I tested clawhammer against newcastle too, the biggest advantage of the NC is that they normally clock higher. From here to there, I needed 100-150MHz more with the nc to get the same frames in games as with the ch.
But: The nc clocked ~ 250MHz higher than the ch, so I kept that one.

[gouda96]

I wonder how high they would max out under a prommy. I wonder if the difference in clock would stay the same, increase, or decrease...If only there was a fry's here in Georgia for me to be able to test and return processors.

[pots4t4j4]

do you think that EPOX 8KDA3J + Newcastle 3000+ & TT VENUS 12 would give me like 9x295 ?

The mem is 512MB Hynix d43 ran fine @ 295Mhz on friend p4

[Jdeazy]

So Both of the 3200+'s are good for gaming on stock? Or should i spend an extra $100 and get the 3400+? And what Ram would be good with it? 1gb(512x2)

[gouda96]

Originally posted by pots4t4j4
do you think that EPOX 8KDA3J + Newcastle 3000+ & TT VENUS 12 would give me like 9x295 ?

The mem is 512MB Hynix d43 ran fine @ 295Mhz on friend p4

Probably possible, but that would be a very good oc'er. I would think more like 2.5 would be a realistic goal depending on temps.

Jdeazy, my friend's machine plays D3 quite nicely stock with a 9700np, but this isn't a forum that usually discusses stock speeds, infact saying you are running at stock speeds is usually regarded as blasphemy and shouldn't be done If you are going to run stock go for the 1mb cache nc...but don't run it stock.

[tylerhskate]

Hmm~ so would the smart thing to do be to buy a 3200+ newcastle and oc it as far as i can? Im waiting on the DFI board so i can upgrade

[gouda96]

Based on what coldflare and radical have said, and some oc'ing #'s from others, it seems that the nc's can often oc high enough to outperform the cw's on air. I have based that on a fairly limited number of comparisons, and I have no idea how they would compare with extreme cooling. Seems like a good nc beats a bad cw, and a good cw beats a bad nc, and good v good seems about equal. Basically the difference is very small and both chips are quite good. For the budget minded a 3000 nc would be a good choice.

[StormPC]

It may seem that way, but things are rarely as they seem.

My 3200+ ClawHammer runs 2663MHz 3D bench stable. Overclock ANY Newcastle to 2900MHz and try to beat my 3D scores. You'd have a tough time, even with the 3800+ which represents the fastest NC to date.

There are some things that a DC Newcastle can compete with the S754 ClawHammer in, but 3D isn't one of those things.

[gouda96]

Realy, so the ch's performance advantage increases the higher you go? So that would mean a prommy I would be better off with a ch than an nc?

What kind of cooling and volts are you using to get 2663 with your proc, and what is the batch code?

[Perc]

ive had two claw hammers so far and they both maxed at around 23/2400 on air and one of them didnt gain me one single mhz under my mach1!!! then again it was with the old an50r 150 series but still.... i just bought and sold my last 3200 ch within 3days flat never again! either a new 939 chip or anf FX but the 754 platforms dont do nothing for me im not impressed at all. i dont know what it is with those chips maybe its the chipsets who knows but if your buying these things to oc then i hope you will be happy with 300/500mhz oc cause thats about it unless you get a lucky one or have a -100c cascade and live next door to oppainter

peace perc,

[gouda96]

If only they would open up a damn fry's in Atl I could do my own ch vs. nw testing and decide which I want for no cost.

[Razor_cut]

Is it more likely to get a fairly better CPU that oc well with either 3400 or 3700? I guess bought are CG but the 3700 always comes with 1mb cache. Witch is to prefere?

Thanks!

[Sir Lancelot]

Hi guys,

I don't quite understand the comparison here...

What was compared here was not only the diference between having 1mb or 512kB of cache, but also the 1T, 2T timming...

So, the only conclusion that I took from all those comparisons is that a Clawhammer @ 2T is almost the same as a Newcastle @ 1T.


Now, what I would REALLY like to see would be the comparisons regarding ONLY the cache.

Clawhammer @ 1T compared with Newcastle @ 1T



Hasta!