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    Originally posted by Morcego_Pt
    Pedro, did you actually made any changes to the previous Prometeia setup you had?

    Cause now you're running this CPU at -24º, and you remember the previous 2.4b was always at -10 or worse...

    Is it only the CPU, being the C1 stepping the great miracle for the masses?
    Hello my friend Morcego,

    Nope, no mod on the Prometeia, just a lot of seal-string and very carefully fitting up the head of microfreezer.

    Maybe is the C1 stepping, but I suspect is more a problem of inaccuracy of the motherboard readings.
    Maybe, tthe Max-2 thermal sensor is less accurate than the IT7 - or more accurate, who knows!


    Last August, Martin Goldmann (from the Support Department of Chip-Con ApS) send me this mail abou the accuracy of the motherboard readings, I suspect will usefull for all Prometeia users
    Surely, Martin and the rest of the fantastic support Chip-con support team (the best I ever see in the computer business) don't mind if I share his mail with all Prometeia users in this forum.


    "..

    We do not put much weight on the temperatures reported by the Motherboards BIOS or by temperature measuring software such as Motherboard Monitor. In our experience, these temperatures are highly unreliable, and may differ by more than 15-20ºC from actual temperatures - especially at the extremes of their measuring range. If you want more accurate CPU temperature readings, you should place a high-quality probe on the rear of the CPU core, and connect that to a high-quality thermometer such as a Fluke 54 II or similar.

    For what it's worth, the great difference in temperature you measure between idle and full load, does seem to indicate that there is a somewhat higher than normal thermal resistance between Evaporator and CPU core. This can be caused by bad thermal contact between Evaporator and P4 Heatspreader and/or between P4 Heatspreader and P4 Core. Reassembly can give you an idea of how high thermal resistance between Evaporator and Heatspreader may be, but won't tell you much about the thermal resistance between Heatspreader and CPU Core.

    We have experienced as much as a 0.2ºC/Watt thermal resistance between Heatspreader and CPU-Core. This will give a temperature loss of 25ºC between CPU Core and Heatspreader when burning 125Watts of heat. Additionally, if you have a thermal resistance between Evaporator and Heatspreader of 0.1ºC/W, the total temperature difference between CPU Core and Evaporator will be as high as: 125W * 0,2ºC/W + 125W * 0,1ºC/W = 37.5ºC. If the evaporator is at -30ºC, the CPU will get as high as +7,5ºC - quite a difference!

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    Last edited by Pedro Rocha; 09-27-2002 at 06:04 AM.

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    Hey! That's my name! Well, at least the 'Pedro' part. Welcome to the forums. Nice to see more people from Portugal here. By the way, nice overclock.

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    Finally made my 1st page

    18232 3D marks

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    Last edited by Pedro Rocha; 09-28-2002 at 08:29 AM.

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    Congrads Pedro

    Only question is why your not on the XtremeSystems 3D team??

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    Originally posted by OPPAINTER
    Congrads Pedro

    Only question is why your not on the XtremeSystems 3D team??

    OPP
    He asked to join over in the 3d mark team thread.

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    Originally posted by OPPAINTER
    Congrads Pedro

    Only question is why your not on the XtremeSystems 3D team??

    OPP
    Done, its a honor to be in same page and team as you my friend and guru..

    I see a lot of XtremeSystems 3D team members there, so let’s continue the take-over..

    Now I just need a better cooling for ATI, only goes up to 360:335, any suggestions ??



    Last edited by Pedro Rocha; 09-28-2002 at 08:35 AM.

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    Ah yes, much better
    Again, welcome aboard Pedro

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    Wink Hi Pedro

    Done, its a honor to be in same page and team as you my friend and guru..

    I see a lot of XtremeSystems 3D team members there, so let’s continue the take-over..

    Now I just need a better cooling for ATI, only goes up to 360:335, any suggestions ??



    I'll recommend a Vapochill on the GRU core... and 8 Peltier on the ram

    450:380



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    Radeon9700Extreme cooling

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    8 small Peltier

    20 A
    A lab powersuppl. needed

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    Re: Radeon9700Extreme cooling

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    Re: Hi Pedro

    Originally posted by Tom Holck

    I'll recommend a Vapochill on the GRU core... and 8 Peltier on the ram

    450:380



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    I'm speechless !!!!!!!!!

    You should have a very good 3d mark score with the ATI at that speed..

    Tom, I see you are from the same country of the Prometeia and Vapochill manufactures - the Phase Change Country.

    Nice country for overclockers, also lotsa of beautifull womans there, to bad you have the higer VAT tax in Europe, apart from that will be the perfect country.

    Any other less radical suggestion??

    I will try some extra-fans over the ATI, but my PromeLI is now so noiseless ..well ...no pain no gain..

    Last edited by Pedro Rocha; 09-28-2002 at 02:56 PM.

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    Re: Re: Hi Pedro

    Originally posted by Pedro Rocha


    I'm speechless !!!!!!!!!

    You should have a very good 3d mark score with the ATI at that speed..

    Tom, I see you are from the same country of the Prometeia and Vapochill manufactures - the Phase Change Country.

    Nice country for overclockers, also lotsa of beautifull womans there, to bad you have the higer VAT tax in Europe, apart from that will be the perfect country.

    Any other less radical suggestion??

    I will try some extra-fans over the ATI, but my PromeLI is now so noiseless ..well ...no pain no gain..

    Hi Pedro,

    A fan on the backside are a good idea, and ramheatsink:

    default ram speed:
    330
    ramheatsink
    350

    Not seriøs benching with the Peltiermod yet. Just finich it yesteday. There are a lot of heat from the 8 Peltier. As you can see I have the same Prometeia as you -and IT7, P4@2.80


    The Danfoss factory that make both the kompressors for the Prometeia and the Vapochil is 30 km form here. The next projekt is frekvensmodifying the kompressor from 50Hz to 60-70 Hz. Its a facht that the Prometeia to US going 110V /60 HZ are a little better than the 220V /50 Hz in europa. It might be possibel to go 220V /60 Hz and get more cooling and or stability....

    Best OC Regards


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    Last edited by Tom Holck; 09-28-2002 at 03:22 PM.

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    These are all very impressive results and setups people.

    It kind of inspires me to build something like that as well.





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    Re: Re: Re: Hi Pedro

    Originally posted by Tom Holck
    Hi Pedro,

    A fan on the backside are a good idea, and ramheatsink:

    default ram speed:
    330
    ramheatsink
    350

    Not seriøs benching with the Peltiermod yet. Just finich it yesteday. There are a lot of heat from the 8 Peltier. As you can see I have the same Prometeia as you -and IT7, P4@2.80


    The Danfoss factory that make both the kompressors for the Prometeia and the Vapochil is 30 km form here. The next projekt is frekvensmodifying the kompressor from 50Hz to 60-70 Hz. Its a facht that the Prometeia to US going 110V /60 HZ are a little better than the 220V /50 Hz in europa. It might be possibel to go 220V /60 Hz and get more cooling and or stability....

    Best OC Regards


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    Hello Tom @ VapoLand:-)

    What kind are the ramheatsinks in your photo?

    Do you think that remove the cooler just to place Artic Silver will help?

    Well I hope that someday Chip-Con release the Prometeia II, with 2 microfreezers - 1 to CPU / 1 to GPU :-)

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    Re: Re: Re: Hi Pedro

    Originally posted by Tom Holck
    Hi Pedro,

    A fan on the backside are a good idea, and ramheatsink:

    default ram speed:
    330
    ramheatsink
    350

    Not seriøs benching with the Peltiermod yet. Just finich it yesteday. There are a lot of heat from the 8 Peltier. As you can see I have the same Prometeia as you -and IT7, P4@2.80


    The Danfoss factory that make both the kompressors for the Prometeia and the Vapochil is 30 km form here. The next projekt is frekvensmodifying the kompressor from 50Hz to 60-70 Hz. Its a facht that the Prometeia to US going 110V /60 HZ are a little better than the 220V /50 Hz in europa. It might be possibel to go 220V /60 Hz and get more cooling and or stability....

    Best OC Regards


    Tom Holck
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    Tom Holck , this 3DMark score is with 640x480 or with 1024x768 resolution???...
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi Pedro

    Originally posted by Pedro Rocha
    Hello Tom @ VapoLand:-)

    What kind are the ramheatsinks in your photo?

    Do you think that remove the cooler just to place Artic Silver will help?

    Well I hope that someday Chip-Con release the Prometeia II, with 2 microfreezers - 1 to CPU / 1 to GPU :-)
    Hi Pedro,

    The ramsink are Zalman (www.zalman.co.kr)

    Artic Silver help, but notis that there is a space, a cubbersim or better REMOVE the metal around the GRU.


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    Hi Hipro5

    Originally posted by hipro5
    Tom Holck , this 3DMark score is with 640x480 or with 1024x768 resolution???...

    only 640x480, working at 1024x768

    The problem is, that the peliters generate a lot of heat close to the DDR ram, so it's only stabil at 168/224


    http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4563839


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    Last edited by Tom Holck; 10-02-2002 at 12:10 PM.

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    Re: Hi Hipro5

    Originally posted by Tom Holck
    only 640x480, working at 1024x768

    The problem is, that the peliters generate a lot of heat close to the DDR ram, so it's only stabil at 168/224


    http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4563839


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    That's too bad about the heat....After all....nice score at 1024x768........
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    Re: Hi Hipro5

    Originally posted by Tom Holck
    only 640x480, working at 1024x768

    The problem is, that the peliters generate a lot of heat close to the DDR ram, so it's only stabil at 168/224


    http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4563839


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    Hello Tom:

    Are you using a Cooler & Artic Silver in the Chipset ?

    The cooler and AS3 in the chipset helps a lot with high FSBs, only after that I can achieve 169/225 100% stable.

    Have to buy additional cooling for the ATI to pass 365/335 - with that vid card speeds my 3dmarks score is "only" 18.200, even with CPU at near 3.600 and DDR450

    Even without peltiers around, the heat on the memory sticks and on the motherboard components is really a problem, I measured (with thermal probes) temperatures around 55 º C (!!) in the motherboard when running full load at 169/225.

    I think we going to need 2 additional Prometeias, 1 for MB components and the other for Vid Card ..

    I hope you can suggest that Triple Prometeia to your fellow-countrymans from Chip-Com


    Last edited by Pedro Rocha; 10-02-2002 at 05:47 PM.

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    Smile Hi Pedro

    Originally posted by Pedro Rocha
    Hello Tom:

    Are you using a Cooler & Artic Silver in the Chipset ?

    The cooler and AS3 in the chipset helps a lot with high FSBs, only after that I can achieve 169/225 100% stable.

    Have to buy additional cooling for the ATI to pass 365/335 - with that vid card speeds my 3dmarks score is "only" 18.200, even with CPU at near 3.600 and DDR450

    Even without peltiers around, the heat on the memory sticks and on the motherboard components is really a problem, I measured (with thermal probes) temperatures around 55 º C (!!) in the motherboard when running full load at 169/225.

    I think we going to need 2 additional Prometeias, 1 for MB components and the other for Vid Card ..

    I hope you can suggest that Triple Prometeia to your fellow-countrymans from Chip-Com



    I use also artic silver and small cooler on the AS3.
    I will try a bigger cooler, it might give somesing.
    I agree with you, on the Triple Prometeia. I'll bring it up!!

    Waiting for IT7-max2 it might be better than IT7


    Best OC regards


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    Re: 8 small Peltier

    Originally posted by Tom Holck
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    A lab powersuppl. needed
    OMG !!

    where can I get some of this toys ?

    Thanks !!

    edit: sorry, did not looked enough, I already found, thanks again
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