-=Dfi Infinty&LanParty Rev B Faq and more=-

[HydroX]

HydroX,

I got my best bandwidth with the latency's set at 255,255,64...give that a try.

Have you done anymore testing w/ drive-slew rates? Have mine at 6 and 7

well...not yet

i'm still testing my new tmsp 512x2...got 247 @ 3.3V memtest stable for 20++ loop

[VulgarHandle]

TicTac, reporting in on your latest bios....

while no significant gains, at all, i ran into quite a problem.....

i got what's called a 'winsock' error, or, windows socket error, i could ping but no url

now, to fix this, i first tried reformatting, negs
then re-flashed bios, back to working order

this may or may not have been due to the bios, but i thought i'd let you know incase others have had this problem

btw, i did flash w/ same bios, and so far so good

[godsa]

I have been having problems w people either not wanting to do or not knowing how to do the ocp mod...any referals are appreciated..i have like 3 or so mods done...and its been around 3 months of trying to find someone to get it done..its geting really tiresome.

I need droop and Ocp mod done and im ready to rock!

thanks for the advice i will try to gt 100

[Revv23]

godsa, get 100posts, once you do you can reach the services section where you can purchase vmods.

edit - PM CaTalyst.X, i checked the services section and he is the one offering the vmods.

[deevo]

im using 1-21 BIOS and i found some anomali. my rig's config was 238x10.5 @1.85v but i couldnt raise the VGA core and memory..it stuck @320Mhz/220Mhz.
but if i changed the multiplier down to 10.. i could raise it to 530Mhz/310Mhz.
my rig's:
DFI lanparty B
Barton 2500+
ABIT radeon9550vGURU
TwinMOS SP 256MB
Seagate 40GB 7200.7

i did some test:
238x10.5
Prime 95 all test with no errors for 12hours
VGA core/mem @320Mhz/220Mhz ===>3dmark01 score 11426
memory timing 2-2-2-11 1T
Super PI 2M 92sec

250x10
Prime95 all test with no errors for 12hours
VGA cor/mem @530Mhz/310Mhz ===> 3dmark score 13864
memory timing 2-2-2-11 1T
Super PI 2m 89sec

do you think the problem is with my mobo???
im really desperate....

[SAE]

Could be the board, could be the psu... could even be the agp port.

Dunno, but did you try another bios like hellfire's excellent rev3?
What brand id your psu and what ratings does it have?

[deevo]

Could be the board, could be the psu... could even be the agp port.

Dunno, but did you try another bios like hellfire's excellent rev3?
What brand id your psu and what ratings does it have?

My PSU is ThermalTAKE360W... +12 @12.20v; +5@5.24v;
i've tried 6-19 and 1-31... still gave a problem with the multiplier(only with 10.5)
infact when i flashed the BIOS with 1-31... i did load optimized default==>save and exit==>etc... when i turn on my computer i couldnt get into windows. so i tried to repair the windows..but i found another problem, my HDD like a brand new... had no partition at all... 38xxxMB... all my data has gone...dissapear...deleted...etc LOL

[AMD Junkie83]

thx .this thread rocks

[SAE]

My PSU is ThermalTAKE360W... +12 @12.20v; +5@5.24v;
i've tried 6-19 and 1-31... still gave a problem with the multiplier(only with 10.5)
infact when i flashed the BIOS with 1-31... i did load optimized default==>save and exit==>etc... when i turn on my computer i couldnt get into windows. so i tried to repair the windows..but i found another problem, my HDD like a brand new... had no partition at all... 38xxxMB... all my data has gone...dissapear...deleted...etc LOL

Man, that sucks

Sometimes you can recover partitions with partitionmagic or some other tools I don't remember the names of...

Is your board a made in China one?

[deevo]

nope... ordered from Taiwan
SAE... in BIOS theres some config for DIMM1,2,3 strengthen n slew rate, have you ever changed this config? what you gain form it?
and what's alpha timing config for?

[SAE]

nope... ordered from Taiwan
SAE... in BIOS theres some config for DIMM1,2,3 strengthen n slew rate, have you ever changed this config? what you gain form it?
and what's alpha timing config for?

There's "Made in TW" written on its box? Great.

No, drv str and slew never helped me any... only made things worse.
So leave it at auto.

But the alpha timings are of some use - to be more exact: they're very important for stable and fast results!

I was using 2-0-3-3-1-0-2 the last time I had the board/cpu running.
You may also try 2-3-3-3-3-3-3 for more stability, or something like 2-2-3-3-2-2-3 for balanced stability/speed.

G'luck, bro

[deevo]

There's "Made in TW" written on its box? Great.

No, drv str and slew never helped me any... only made things worse.
So leave it at auto.

But the alpha timings are of some use - to be more exact: they're very important for stable and fast results!

I was using 2-0-3-3-1-0-2 the last time I had the board/cpu running.
You may also try 2-3-3-3-3-3-3 for more stability, or something like 2-2-3-3-2-2-3 for balanced stability/speed.

G'luck, bro

how bout 1-3-3-3-3-3-4...?
do you know where i can find some setting to change mem idle timer?

well.. i guess i need more than just luck bro..
still have problem with coolboot...
but i really love this board..its ROCKS!
hey SAE... have you tried some hardmod to this mobo?
guess i need more voltage on my Vdimm..
do you think hardmod will make my board become unstable?
coz last time i tried a hardmod on my NF7-s v.2 .. it became so unstable

[SAE]

how bout 1-3-3-3-3-3-4...?
do you know where i can find some setting to change mem idle timer?

well.. i guess i need more than just luck bro..
still have problem with coolboot...
but i really love this board..its ROCKS!
hey SAE... have you tried some hardmod to this mobo?
guess i need more voltage on my Vdimm..
do you think hardmod will make my board become unstable?
coz last time i tried a hardmod on my NF7-s v.2 .. it became so unstable

I never needed that 4 at the end.

Cold boot problems can be avoided by wire modding the socket. You need to set your cpu to a higher default voltage (1.775V default is the one I did). Also do the l12 mod in hardware, means you're putting thin, u-shaped wires into the appropriate socket holes and put your cpu back in.

About those "hardmods".

I did vdimm, vcore, ocp, vdroop and vdd mods, wire mods and some lapping mods and cooling mods? Suffices?
P.S. Vsense is crap.

[VulgarHandle]

ok, after alot of sweat and tears, this is what i came up w/


no other combination gets me anything better, at least, no other combination I can think of

This is on water, D-tek White Water block, Black Ice Extreme(dual core), Hydor pump, single-bay resevoir.

[deevo]

I never needed that 4 at the end.

Cold boot problems can be avoided by wire modding the socket. You need to set your cpu to a higher default voltage (1.775V default is the one I did). Also do the l12 mod in hardware, means you're putting thin, u-shaped wires into the appropriate socket holes and put your cpu back in.

About those "hardmods".

I did vdimm, vcore, ocp, vdroop and vdd mods, wire mods and some lapping mods and cooling mods? Suffices?
P.S. Vsense is crap.

can you send to my email or PM how to do those wire modding and the L12 mod?? please... you're the best!!!!

[Revv23]

just fyi im back at it again on this thing, right now im getting my highest stable on stock volts, then on goes the vdimm mod... wish me luck

right now im having issues getting both sticks going at once though, so who knows.

update: got it working, one stick was bad, rubbed it in acetone, and bam, back up... who konws?

[stealth17]

ive been wanting to buy a nf2 setup again for a phase-changer but i just dont have the time or $$...still a lot of fun though!

[trodas]

Talking about the alpha timings, I come accross this:

T(RC) - 9 (7 is better if the mem can handle, 12 if cant handle 9)
T(RFC) - 12 (15 if not stable)
T(DOE) - 1 (0 if you can get it stable)
T(RRD) - 1 (0 if you can get it stable)
T(W2P) - 3
T(W2R) - 3
T(REXT) - 1
T(R2P) - 1 (0 if you can get it stable)
T(R2W) - 3


Hmmm, using the old good Mushkin Special 2-2-2 BH6 at 2,9V and Vchipset auto + 200Mhz at

T(RC) - 7
T(RFC) - 12
T(DOE) - 0
T(RRD) - 0
T(W2P) - 3
T(W2R) - 3
T(REXT) - 2
T(R2P) - 0
T(R2W) - 3

...and any change of T(REXT) - to 1 bring BSOD :p
T(RC) - 7 I tried alone now, works no errors, but... I can't set into the bios 7...? So, will it is beneficial, after all? Anyway, is there any chance to get the T(REXT) down to 1 w/o increasing voltage by, for example, tweaking the Driving Strenght and Slew Rate?

I even tried T(RC) - 6 and it did not crashed, but does it gain me any good?

[ex.treme]

Hi, i have here for testing NF2 InfinityUltra, but its a strange mobo.
Fsb look good 245-250 in progress. But v core for my XPM 2600 ist sh*t.
Before my Shuttle AN 35 ultra runs stable at 1.675v@12x200 - 2400mhz
At Infinity is the same but prime fail after 2-5 min. I dont know what is bad.
Maybe capacitors.
Shuttle 3700microF@6.3v
Infinity 3300microF@6.3v

Helfire eg rev 3 bios.

[coop]

It would be interesting to see a comparison of Tweaker screens for each mb. Although the general settings are the same, the bios for the infinity has more available settings and may be different than previous. I had an Ultra35, very nice board. Also have a LPII, it is not so much different from Infinity. It should come around. Check out http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/index.php? Many things covered for dfi.

[Revv23]

coop ive had both and infinity and the lan party are the exact same board with just different feature sets.

trodas, your information is awesome... no one has really done that much research into the extra timings... its something ive always wanted to do, but i later find out that the board has "moods" meaning sometimes youll get tight timings and high clocks, and other days itll only boot if you underclock it.

as a status update im no longer able to overclock on mine as i didnt put enough thermal paste on my NB (i know, dont beat me up about it, im retarded) and it wont run in dual channel anymore, not to mention it takes 3.0v to get 200mhz single channel 2-3-3-7.

anyways good luck guys, not sure why you guys are buying new old hardware, especially now that there is some new stuff on the market to play with like the RDX200.

[ex.treme]

Hi again guys. Im happy that reply someone

Mine problem looks good. I set up 1+3 dimm and reput cpu in socket.
Prime was testing 15h @1,65v ok.

But i have problem with high fsb.
250 fsb , 1,9vdd, 3,3 dimm, (1,5, 1,6 1,7 agp the same ) 11-2-2-2-13-15 auto
Pc freeze by 3d aplications at in menu .

I have the chance buy lanparty ultra B. May i do it or its exactly same and its no point get 250 fsb Prime stable without mod ?

[LoWRiDeR]

Guys which one is the most stable and best bios for this board for overclocking?Any links??

[trodas]

ex.treme - caps on the mobo failing like mad. Replace them with good ones, see: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87710
And enjoy the mobo again.

coop - witch screen do you mean, this?

You can run this too on any nForce2 mobo. Tough I having some problems to make it auto-run at every start on XP machines, see there:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=75664
If you mean BIOS screens, then check there mine screens:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/g.php?p=dfi&d=1&v=v2

Revv23 - the "mods" are all about bad caps, trust me on this. I bet that when it is new, it don't have "mods", right?
Your caps is gone, man. Entierly. That it is. No question about it. I can run 200Mhz FSB 11-2-2-2-7-12-0-0-3-3-2-0-3-E-E-F-E w/o heatsink on the NB stable. 512MB Mushkin Lev I 2-2-2 Hi-Perf stick.
Thanks for the timins, next thing to do is look out for the Strenght and Slew rates. Adding them to nForce2 tweaked could save one days of rebooting, tough...
Same as adding support for 7-12 instead of lovest 9-12 alpha timings in the Hellfire rev.3 one...
And old HW is sometimes fun to play with - and you got a PM

ex.treme - you need new caps, and not mods. You cannot expect to run FSB 250 with old and mainly bad caps...! See later.

LoWRiDeR - the mighty God SAE says Hellfire rev.3 and I agree. There you go:
LANPARTY B Hellfire bios rev. 3 - best one!
http://ax2.old-cans.com/N24LD619-3EG-REV3.zip
LANPARTY B Hellfire bios rev. 3 - best one!
http://ax2.old-cans.com/N24ID619-3EG-REV3.zip


And now finally a explanation why and how does the Taiwan and China boards differ.

First at all, let me say that all the time DFI fierce fully deny that there is any difference. Now I got my hand on Taiwan made mobo, and having two China made ones already, I spotted quite a few differences. First at all, the CPU mosfets is slightly different. On both mobos are there two series by 3 for each one of them. The first is 09N03LA and the second ones (closely to the CPU) are 06N03LA. But on China mobo are these 09N03LA - BC335 and 06N03LA - AN330, while on Taiwan mobo they are 09N03LA - CG339 and 06N03LA - AA330! And even by the very first look, they are different - the 09N03LA - BC335 on China mobo have a bit rounded edges, see there:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/s.php?p=badt...6&c=8&d=1&v=v2
...while on Taiwan mobo they both having sharp edges.
So, there is visual AND a little specification difference as well. Now let's move to the Vdd/Vdimm mosfets. As expected, the differences did not ended up with Vcore mosfets, but the very same differences are in these as well. China mobo use (looking at the image link bellow, from left (Vdd mosfet) to the right (3 Vdimm mosfets) 09N03LA - BC335 and 3x 20N03L - VF328 while the Taiwan one use probably - mosfet destroyed, anyone could help there - 09N03LA - BC335 (?) and 20N03L - XR320, 20N03L - VB320, 20N03L - XR320.
http://ax2.old-cans.com/s.php?p=badt...d=1&id=137&c=8

While some might say that these are quite small differences, it is indisputable that these are DIFFERENCES in fact, witch prove DFI lying about it. (no wonder at this point, the manufacture policy surely will deny any differences on principle, it's logical...)

And now for the main event. At the very first glance at the Taiwan made DFI board I noticed the (except the Made in Taiwan is not blanked with white anymore) caps are different. Yes, the 5 main ones (Chemi-con KZG ones, 3300uF 6.3V) and the there 1500uF 16V by same brand are the same, but the rest is different from what I have on my China ones. Upon a close inspection I found to my HORROR, that these caps are Teapo ones! Now for these who aren't familiar with Teapos - they are known as bad caps brand. Definitively bad. They die. Theirs good specs in short time get worse and worse and... and the mobo become unreliable. For anyone think that I was not right, then see there:
The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage
Teapo - http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=424
List of Bad Cap Manufacturers
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=388
Teapo - http://www.teapo.com.tw


God help the mobo...

Now conclusion - what all this means? Well, since Taiwan mobos are praised for their overclocking results, it obviously mean that the choice of the components for them was better - at least for the time being. ST caps specs can't stand against Teapos (well, for the time being it get reversed, but at first... amazing OC was possible!), witch explained the overclocker rumors about better Taiwan boards.

So, recommended action - replace immediately ALL the Teapos with some good brand caps (Samxon GA (when become available), Nichicon HZ, Rubycon MCZ, Chemi-con KZJ, Samxon GC, Nichicon HN, Panasonic FM) and then just enjoy your board back on rock-stable and reliable operation.
Even that I did not find anything better that the Panasonic FM ones (http://digi-key.com has them, still looking out for either Nichicon HZ or Rubycon MCZ for extreme OC), my mobo started to work reliable and as soon, as I add also the blocking caps, I try some OC and post results.

But definitively and finally, the mystery is solved. Taiwan mobos are at start notably better for OC that China ones. Later they suxx much more that China ones, since ST aren't bad brand of caps, though their specs suggest why the China ones clocked lower that the Taiwan ones did.

If anyone can provide me better caps, I still have 2 DFI mobos waiting for recapping, we can measure the differences. Even if I have to buy a oscilloscope


To get any idea, how bad are those caps, the look there - the SEK specs:
http://www.teapo.com.tw/ftp/pdf/SEK.pdf
Teapo 1000uF 10V 12/02 A3 SEK 105°C - impedance 6 - ripple current 400 (1000 hours) 8x15

Not too bad for general purpose caps, but use these cap for filtering Vdimm voltage?! Insane at best!


The OST then (if they are OST) are a bit weird, since I can't find a RLF cap with the dimentions the ones I see on my board has - 8x15mm and 1000uF for 10V. Weird. The most closest one have this specs:
OST 1000uF 10V RLG O352 105°C - impedance 0.18 - ripple current 615 (2000 hours) 10x16 (8x15 they are!)
Rest check there:
http://www.ost.com.tw/docs/newost/pdf/RLG.pdf
...however it is also marked as bad cap...!

Now this is ironic or something...

Let's compare it with Panasonic FM (worsest of the better caps brands):

SEK 1000uF 10V - impedance 6 - ripple current 400 (1000 hours) 8x15
OST 1000uF 10V - impedance 0.18 - ripple current 615 (2000 hours) 10x16 (8x15 they are!)
FM 1000uF 10V - impedance 0.026 - ripple current 1790 (4000 hours) 10x16

[coop]

Informative post trodas. I can't remember the context that I was referring to the tweaker screens though. Actually I never got tweaker to work on my board when I had it. I think it was one of the first versions. My initial LPII was a Taiwan one, Rev.A. Back in the day it was one of the best. That was before I did the vdimm mod. I should have stopped there, but I went ahead later and did the additional ones for vcore. My soldering skills are not so good, and one of the ends eventually came loose causing a trace next to the socket to burn up. So it sits on the floor now. I got a second one after several purchases/returns. The China ones, one would not even boot in dual channel, I wanted nothing to do with. I did not know why they were different, although one was missing a couple caps that were on my first one. What I'm getting at, is the mosfets on my Taiwan are different from even what you show, and I just wanted to share that. The top row next to the chokes are AB326 while the bottom row has the CG339's.
I actually did get another LPII and use it for my daily computer.(no mods) I got it just before the release of the Ultra D's. It is a Rev.A but has the white out on it. However it is probably about as good as my first one. Mosfets on it are, top row:06N036LA/PD346, and lower row:09N03LA/LS410. I think the LPII boards are just awesome, the people who are happy with the ones they have should agree. My Taiwan has the VC320's at the vdimm, while the white out board has AC333 at the vdimm.