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    My opinion ~+%25 to 1080ti with 1000$ price... Interesting move from Nvidia.


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    Hi my old friend Bill , i added another link. Interesting that this new video cards are not supported on windows 7 :/ , only windows 10 x64bit 1803 and forward.

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    Hi Chispy !
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    Well Win 7 is EOL so it doesn't surprise me Nvidia would not support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kromosto View Post
    My opinion ~+%25 to 1080ti with 1000$ price... Interesting move from Nvidia.
    This has been the case for a few generations now. Basically until AMD pulls a GPU Ryzen, we can't expect any sort of fair pricing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
    This has been the case for a few generations now. Basically until AMD pulls a GPU Ryzen, we can't expect any sort of fair pricing.
    1080 ti was much more better than 980ti compered to 2080ti 1080ti difference with better pricing...

    There are possible reasons that I can think of but none of them are rational enough for the current situation except nvidia is 100% sure amd has nothing.

    But also before nda lift leaks, presentation slides performance comparisons etc. etc. and finally what released is just same as amd with vega. And premium nvidia add to this nonsense is wanting more money for less performance gain.


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    When was the last time Nvidia lowered prices because of competition?

    Exactly, they every rarely do. Don't blame AMD for Nvidia pricing, blame Nvidia. And the people who pay it.

    If AMD released 7nm Navi tomorrow I don't think Nvidia would flinch on their pricing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kromosto View Post
    1080 ti was much more better than 980ti compered to 2080ti 1080ti difference with better pricing...

    There are possible reasons that I can think of but none of them are rational enough for the current situation except nvidia is 100% sure amd has nothing.

    But also before nda lift leaks, presentation slides performance comparisons etc. etc. and finally what released is just same as amd with vega. And premium nvidia add to this nonsense is wanting more money for less performance gain.
    Exactly, Nvidia has no reason to price things reasonably at the top end. Until AMD delivers a Vega that can keep up for like $500, the top end NV cards are only going to keep creeping up.

    Quote Originally Posted by bluestang View Post
    When was the last time Nvidia lowered prices because of competition?

    Exactly, they every rarely do. Don't blame AMD for Nvidia pricing, blame Nvidia. And the people who pay it.

    If AMD released 7nm Navi tomorrow I don't think Nvidia would flinch on their pricing.
    That's not true, back when AMD had an actual lead (i.e. 5870) Nvidia had to price things reasonably. GTX 680 was frankly a good deal when you consider how it wiped the floor with everything for $500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
    Exactly, Nvidia has no reason to price things reasonably at the top end. Until AMD delivers a Vega that can keep up for like $500, the top end NV cards are only going to keep creeping up.
    Reasonable pricing is another thing. With this release nvidia left lots of potential 2080ti buyers behind. What is the reason of this. This was exactly wharit nvidia did with titan and give customers a solution with ti. Now maybe if they cant succeed with this we may see a new product next year doing what past ti cards did.


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    Well, it was only going to be a matter of time. Graphics cards have been reasonably priced for a very very long time.

    Look at the latest iPhones, well over a grand! Turing is infinitely more impressive in my humble opinion.

    I wouldn't dream of buying either, but people do and that's the point. A lot of people can afford it and that's what they are aiming for.

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    Ok so after think about what is said here, Nvidia is 100% sure AMD won't have anything near 1080. So they are getting premium for their performance kings and the real war will be on <2070 (maybe lower) market which means we haven't seen anything from nvidia for competing with their amd counterparts.

    Actually after thinking a little more this really makes sense. %90 of the machines participated on steam survey still uses 1080p or below which means 1070 is still an over kill for %90 of the steam gamers (there maybe very exceptional cases which I don't know).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post
    Hi Chispy !
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    Well Win 7 is EOL so it doesn't surprise me Nvidia would not support it.
    Thanks , i'm doing great , i had some little hope for w7 support but you are correct since w7 is eol. I wonder about the scores for hwbot ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kromosto View Post
    Reasonable pricing is another thing. With this release nvidia left lots of potential 2080ti buyers behind. What is the reason of this. This was exactly wharit nvidia did with titan and give customers a solution with ti. Now maybe if they cant succeed with this we may see a new product next year doing what past ti cards did.
    One other caveat is that these cards support Tensor capabilities. Previously the only benefit the Titan cards had was the enhanced GPGPU capability (often slower than Ti in gaming). If all the mainstream cards have GPGPU capability for machine learning purposes then there's really no incentive to buy a Titan. The more I think about it, the more I feel Nvidia basically just killed off the Titan name and the 2080 Ti took its place. At $3000 the Titan V is a server card at this point that just so happens to having gaming drivers.

    Quote Originally Posted by kromosto View Post
    Ok so after think about what is said here, Nvidia is 100% sure AMD won't have anything near 1080. So they are getting premium for their performance kings and the real war will be on <2070 (maybe lower) market which means we haven't seen anything from nvidia for competing with their amd counterparts.

    Actually after thinking a little more this really makes sense. %90 of the machines participated on steam survey still uses 1080p or below which means 1070 is still an over kill for %90 of the steam gamers (there maybe very exceptional cases which I don't know).
    Probably true that the vast majority of people don't need this, but I think the other caveat is that most software developers still haven't really tapped into the full potential of GFX cards. Just look at how much better AMD cards can perform in DX12 and how few games really take advantage of that well.
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    nvidia and microsoft are just pushing for more $$. MS just want to promote win10 all the way possible. nvidia on other hand brings up just some new tech to keep alive their $$. AMD do cares about their customers though
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpower View Post
    nvidia and microsoft are just pushing for more $$. MS just want to promote win10 all the way possible. nvidia on other hand brings up just some new tech to keep alive their $$. AMD do cares about their customers though
    Technically speaking, we don't have any evidence that AMD cares more about their customers. We just know they have a competitive business plan for CPUs.

    At the end of the day, corporations are just about their bottom line. That's why most of us believe competition is necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kromosto View Post
    Ok so after think about what is said here, Nvidia is 100% sure AMD won't have anything near 1080. So they are getting premium for their performance kings and the real war will be on <2070 (maybe lower) market which means we haven't seen anything from nvidia for competing with their amd counterparts.

    Actually after thinking a little more this really makes sense. %90 of the machines participated on steam survey still uses 1080p or below which means 1070 is still an over kill for %90 of the steam gamers (there maybe very exceptional cases which I don't know).
    The issue I have with this theory is the RTX doesn't need to be. The fact that it was rushed well before the exclusive capabilities are even close to being beta, much less actually working and available, is quite odd.

    There was nothing pressing NVIDIA to rush this release, was there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StAndrew View Post
    The issue I have with this theory is the RTX doesn't need to be. The fact that it was rushed well before the exclusive capabilities are even close to being beta, much less actually working and available, is quite odd.

    There was nothing pressing NVIDIA to rush this release, was there?
    Unless they know AMD has something that might spoil their run coming very soon. Haven't heard much of anything from them, just like before Ryzen was dropped on Intel's lap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestang View Post
    Unless they know AMD has something that might spoil their run coming very soon. Haven't heard much of anything from them, just like before Ryzen was dropped on Intel's lap.
    AMD is being uncharacteristicly quiet. Either they have nothing or they are going to carpet bomb Nvidia.

    I think they will refresh Vega and stay competitive with pricing (Nvidia isn't making it hard). It'll be another year or two for them really catch up I think. If real time ray tracing takes off as quickly as Nvidia seems to think it will, AMD could find themselves a bit behind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StAndrew View Post
    AMD is being uncharacteristicly quiet. Either they have nothing or they are going to carpet bomb Nvidia.

    I think they will refresh Vega and stay competitive with pricing (Nvidia isn't making it hard). It'll be another year or two for them really catch up I think. If real time ray tracing takes off as quickly as Nvidia seems to think it will, AMD could find themselves a bit behind...
    It looks like they going with big Polaris for consumers and a new vega revision for workstations. After the original vega having vapor ware feature sets and under performing due to global founderies they should be quiet until they are 100% sure on their parts.
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    The problem that i have with this card is that the non-RTX performance jump just isn't big enough to warrant that ludicrous pricing. With a 1080ti already, that pricing is just not justifiable. If I wanted more performance, it would probably make more sense to get another 1080ti and go SLI (yes yes, I know it doesnt work in all games, but the net benefit would probably be better).

    If I didn't have a 1080ti already, then a 1080ti would probably still be the best option at this point XD

    This really is the generation to skip imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SADS View Post
    The problem that i have with this card is that the non-RTX performance jump just isn't big enough to warrant that ludicrous pricing. With a 1080ti already, that pricing is just not justifiable. If I wanted more performance, it would probably make more sense to get another 1080ti and go SLI (yes yes, I know it doesnt work in all games, but the net benefit would probably be better).

    If I didn't have a 1080ti already, then a 1080ti would probably still be the best option at this point XD

    This really is the generation to skip imo.
    I disagree a little. This chip, despite being a smaller process is still physically bigger than Pascal. You're still paying for the extra tensor and RT cores even though current performance reviews are only measuring cusa core performance.

    I'm sure NVIDIA has inflated the pricing a bit but its still a big f-in chip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StAndrew View Post
    I disagree a little. This chip, despite being a smaller process is still physically bigger than Pascal. You're still paying for the extra tensor and RT cores even though current performance reviews are only measuring cusa core performance.

    I'm sure NVIDIA has inflated the pricing a bit but its still a big f-in chip.
    As a consumer, I don't really care about the size of the chip though. I care about what I'm paying and how good the device is at its job, that price just does not justify what you get from the product.
    That price isn't just inflated a bit, its inflated a huge amount.
    It's priced at Titan levels, without offering Titan performance. What's worse is that it hasn't even got a big enough performance gap to allow something to fit in between it, where a Ti should have landed.
    If NV wanted to put out a Titan at some point, sure there's a lot of room to add performance over the 1080Ti/2080Ti (relatively speaking), but they sure as hell are going to have a hard time getting a reasonable price point for it when even the 2080Ti is hard to justify.

    The Ti's have usually been the ones to buy beause they gave Titan performance at a more justifiable price, NV has taken that away completed now and hasn't left a clear spot for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SADS View Post
    As a consumer, I don't really care about the size of the chip though. I care about what I'm paying and how good the device is at its job, that price just does not justify what you get from the product.
    That price isn't just inflated a bit, its inflated a huge amount.
    It's priced at Titan levels, without offering Titan performance. What's worse is that it hasn't even got a big enough performance gap to allow something to fit in between it, where a Ti should have landed.
    If NV wanted to put out a Titan at some point, sure there's a lot of room to add performance over the 1080Ti/2080Ti (relatively speaking), but they sure as hell are going to have a hard time getting a reasonable price point for it when even the 2080Ti is hard to justify.

    The Ti's have usually been the ones to buy beause they gave Titan performance at a more justifiable price, NV has taken that away completed now and hasn't left a clear spot for it.
    I understand but bigger means more costly to manufacture. Im also reasonably certain GDDR6 isn't cheap either. And the "performance" you are referring to only applies to half the chip. The potential is much higher than Pascal.

    That said, until ray racing and IA AA (what ever its called) becomes mainstream, I wouldn't buy one if there's cards regardless the price.
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