[News] Intel Halts Sales Broadwell-E Intel Core i7 6800K, 6850K, 6900K & 6950X

[StyM]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/int...-en-6950x.html

In a product notification, Intel let know it will be ending their shipments of Broadwell-E processors, these would include the Intel Core i7 6800K, 6850K, 6900K and the 10-core 6950X

These procs are all Socket LGA 2011-v3 based on the X99-chipset. In it's PCN (Product Change Notification) Intel states the following processors will be end-of-life for orders by May 2018, it involves the:

Intel Core i7-6950X Processor Extreme
Intel Core i7-6900K Processor
Intel Core i7-6850K Processor
Intel Core i7-6800K Processor
Boxed Intel Core i7-6950X Processor
Boxed Intel Core i7-6900K Processor
Boxed Intel Core i7-6850K Processor
Boxed Intel Core i7-6800K Processor
Broadwell-E generation has been replaced by Skylake-X based on socket 2066 and it's X299 chipset. In addition to six, eight and ten core processors, this generation includes models with twelve, fourteen, sixteen and eighteen cores.

[Tenknics]

jesus, that's faster than normal. They're barely a year and half old!

[dasa]

Broadwell-E is a fair bit faster than Skylake-X for gaming so i would imagine its more popular with those that want to use them for a bit of gaming
Wonder if there bringing forward a Skylake-X revision thanks to competition from amd

[3dfx]

Wonder if there bringing forward a Skylake-X revision thanks to competition from amd

That is not going to happen. Intel doesn't give a damn about customers, gamers, power users and their needs.
The next iteration will probably be a Coffelake-X for HEDT if we are lucky. If not we will be stuck with Skylake-X for a while.

[drmrlordx]

Skylake-X is supposed to be followed up by Cascade Lake. What Cascade Lake will look like in the HEDT space is anyone's guess.

[3dfx]

Yeah i forgot about that obscure uArch called Cascade Lake-SP. Honestly it sounds like a Skylake-SP refresh fabricated at 10nm with, probably, an integrated optane memory controller.

[Tenknics]

From my understanding Cascade Lake is to Sky-X as what Kaby/Coffee was to Skylake DT


So yes, basically a refresh Sky-X

[turbox997]

Hmm... what to do, what to do... I was going to get a 6850k for it's 40 pci-e lanes and great value... but on the other hand I've read quite a few of them dying prematurely, perhaps due to poor manufacturing...

Yet, if I do wait for future "e-series", they seem to be gimping them with less pci-e lanes unless you pay sub $1000 for their top ends chips... what to do, what to do...?

[StAndrew]

Two reasons this isn't surprising.

Broadwell-E was made obsolete by AMD Ryzen.

X299 and i9.

[vario]

Two reasons this isn't surprising.

Broadwell-E was made obsolete by AMD Ryzen.

X299 and i9.

Uhm, i mean, how ?
Broadwell-E Gives you very fast MT performance while not giving up anything on the ST side, so ryzen while competitive , surely doesnt make them obsolete.
And Sky-x, worse at some workloads (particularly gaming), not soldered, own set of problems, 40pcie lanes only in the 10core and up...

For me it seems like a "save a buck" move from intel. Once again.

@Turbox997

Get a used x99+6850K/5830K(yes this cpu still makes sense) system. it will be MUCH cheaper than alternatives, and overall better.Plus, you will have an upgrade path. Every other solution seems to have some nasty side effects.Get a good cooling tho

[StAndrew]

Uhm, i mean, how ?
Broadwell-E Gives you very fast MT performance while not giving up anything on the ST side, so ryzen while competitive , surely doesnt make them obsolete.
And Sky-x, worse at some workloads (particularly gaming), not soldered, own set of problems, 40pcie lanes only in the 10core and up...

For me it seems like a "save a buck" move from intel. Once again.

@Turbox997

Get a used x99+6850K/5830K(yes this cpu still makes sense) system. it will be MUCH cheaper than alternatives, and overall better.Plus, you will have an upgrade path. Every other solution seems to have some nasty side effects.Get a good cooling tho

Uh, for 1/3rd the price, the 1800X was competitive to the 10 core 6950X and even beat it in some ST and MT benches. I think the argument could be made that the Broadwell-E was obsolete.

[vario]

Uh, for 1/3rd the price, the 1800X was competitive to the 10 core 6950X and even beat it in some ST and MT benches. I think the argument could be made that the Broadwell-E was obsolete.

First of all ,didnt you mean 6900K? Second of all you are talking stock settings which are pretty damn low considering what the actual chips can do.If you OC the 1800X to 4ghz and 6900K to 4.3-5ghz and uncore to 3,6-4,5ghz(depends on mobo you have and cooling), theres no competition, 6900K is gonna win in everything.
As for the price i was of course talking about what chips can do, not the ridicolous prices intel had for them.Thats a separate story.Yea , official intel launch prices are insane.But you can get those cpus much much cheaper now.
1800x was able to pull in some wins only because AMD clocked it pretty much all it could, and BDE had much room to spare.And im in no way dissing ryzens, i think they are excellent cpus, and only because of them we are seeing an actual movement in cpu space recently.
Only thing wrong with BDE is the official price, which was wrong even at launch ,when intel decided to increase prices from haswell-e.
But that doesnt make cpus obsolete, just their pricing.

[Tenknics]

I didn't know my CPU was obsolete.

Weird, it performs great, plays every game I throw at it, handles my video editing workloads like a champ and is still smoking fast.

Still, its obsolete now, better replace it! /sarcasm


You shouldn't go throwing that word around, especially when its so far from the truth.

[turbox997]

@Turbox997

Get a used x99+6850K/5830K(yes this cpu still makes sense) system. it will be MUCH cheaper than alternatives, and overall better.Plus, you will have an upgrade path. Every other solution seems to have some nasty side effects.Get a good cooling tho

Thanks for the affirmation... I agree with you, the 6850k is still great value for what it is, and gives you 40 pci-e lanes!!! The AMD 1800x isn't a bad chip, but here the US it still costs more than a 6850k with comparable performance plus the 1800k gives you less pci-e lanes. I'm going to have to make some decisions in the coming week, haha..

[StAndrew]

Well by the logic of "it works for me" I guess Intel should still be selling the i7 980X

The point you guys are missing here is that Intel doesn't care about our opinions. The fact is AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper caused Intel to (and rightfully so) come to the conclusion that milking Broadwell as they milked every other "new architecture" was not going to fly.

Ryzen's shlacking of Broadwell on the price/performance was the beginning of the end for Broadwell. The x299 makes the death of Broadwell-E inevitable and of no surprise whatsoever.

And no, I meant the ~$2000 i7 X6950 which lost in entirely too many benchmarks than it should have to a lower core count Ryzen.

[vario]

Well by the logic of "it works for me" I guess Intel should still be selling the i7 980X

The point you guys are missing here is that Intel doesn't care about our opinions. The fact is AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper caused Intel to (and rightfully so) come to the conclusion that milking Broadwell as they milked every other "new architecture" was not going to fly.

Ryzen's shlacking of Broadwell on the price/performance was the beginning of the end for Broadwell. The x299 makes the death of Broadwell-E inevitable and of no surprise whatsoever.

And no, I meant the ~$2000 i7 X6950 which lost in entirely too many benchmarks than it should have to a lower core count Ryzen.

Intel wants to push its new "hot" and shiny x299 cpus, and thats the point of slashing bde`s, which are too good of a competition for them.

As for the rolls eyes part. it isnt about "it works for me" but "it works better than" .So a really flawed comparison.980x is long in the tooth, and could not compare with any modern cpu, while all BDE`s are top notch performance still trading blows with skylake-x and mostly winning with ryzen`s in some areas, and being on par in others .Only part missing with broadwell is the official price, and thats because intel doesnt really do price cuts, it waited with 7700k essentially not changing the msrp through all the ryzen premieres, and only adjusted procing on coffeelake launch.Same with BDE-> skylakex

[Tenknics]

Well by the logic of "it works for me" I guess Intel should still be selling the i7 980X

The point you guys are missing here is that Intel doesn't care about our opinions. The fact is AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper caused Intel to (and rightfully so) come to the conclusion that milking Broadwell as they milked every other "new architecture" was not going to fly.

Ryzen's shlacking of Broadwell on the price/performance was the beginning of the end for Broadwell. The x299 makes the death of Broadwell-E inevitable and of no surprise whatsoever.

And no, I meant the ~$2000 i7 X6950 which lost in entirely too many benchmarks than it should have to a lower core count Ryzen.

I think you missed the point man, these aren't opinions they're facts. Go look at benchmarks comparing BDE, SKYE and Ryzen.

You're the only one that's saying its obsolete, which is an opinion, kinda ironic.

[StAndrew]

It's all an opinion and it's not mine. It's intel's which is frankly the only one that counts. I'm just pointing out the obvious events that lead up to Intels choice. Maybe you guys were surprised; I sure as heck wasnt. Did you guys really think Intel would sell two HEDT platforms?

And I haven't begun to discuss coffee lake or fabrication resources.

[drmrlordx]

If anything rendered older HEDT platforms "obsolete" it was Z370 and Coffeelake. Especially once 8c Coffeelake rolls around next summer.

Ryzen did remarkably well against Broadwell-E, but Broadwell-E did remarkably well against Skylake-X (and really so did Ryzen) in terms of task efficiency; e.g. total joules to complete the task.

Though I think Skylake-X has recovered some of its usefulness with UEFI updates. I think.

Anyway removing Broadwell-E takes an overpriced (yes, folks, Broadwell-E was always overpriced, especially the 6950X) offering off the market so that people can be less confused about what to buy when choosing between Skylake-X, Broadwell-E, and Coffeelake. There was a lot of overlap there in terms of capabilities and features.

[zanzabar]

they also have discontinued x99 so i dont see a need to support a 3 year old consumer cpu platform; if you are only doing the workstation c series chipsets then getting a more expensive than xeon overclocking cpu makes no sense. if you still needed a part i think the xeons get 4 years of supply so they will still be out there new if you have to get one.

[NEOAethyr]

I don't like how they cut support after 2 years all the time it seems, but to stop selling them retail makes sense, they got new chips to sell.

That is not going to happen. Intel doesn't give a damn about customers, gamers, power users and their needs.
The next iteration will probably be a Coffelake-X for HEDT if we are lucky. If not we will be stuck with Skylake-X for a while.

I don't know about you, but there support was top notch on my end.
They replaced my cpu even though I hadn't paid the extra for the oc warranty.
And the cpu replacement I got was better then the original one I bought retail that died.
Still being used in my rig as I type this.

The guy on the phone was iffy on the mem clocking I had mine set at for 24/7, but I swore to him that I hadn't been fooling around with high voltages or nothing.
I totally appreciate there support on that, the cpu was $500-600.
I killed an amd phenom x4 too with smbus scanning on a dfi board, never bothered trying to get it replaced because they won't even support 3rd party coolers.
(I'de have to be dishonest with them just to get the rma started, I don't like that, though now that I think about it, I was using the stock cooler lol, ohwell, it was donated so I didn't think there was a chance)

To me, intel's support is top notch, I've experience it 1st hand.
And I'm just a random consumer, I'm not even a business.
That goes a long ways to me.

I still run that cpu to this day undervolted, it only does it's stock voltage on turbo.
It's a darned good cpu (Ivy-e).
Running 24/7 4.2ghz, 4.2ghz at stock.
It does 4.5 at stock voltage but it's not 100%, but it seems close.
Previous cpu was 4ghz, and a lower bclk.


Oh wanna mention one more thing.
I can't wait for 7nm 12c/24t cpu's, the ones that will probably clock like the 8 cores of today.
At least hopefully.