[News/Various] AMD Radeon VEGA Reviews

[StAndrew]

Anyone watch the NexusGamer youtube review? They demonstrated this with the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition as well; undervolting the card not only brings power draw down, it increases core clock speed. I wonder why AMD hasn't come out with an updated video card driver to undervolt the 64 and 56...

[BenchZowner]

And poof... there it went, sunk in the ocean...

Too late to the party, already boozed ( like Raja at the presentations ) and once again, slow and not even remotely close to the competitors top dogs.

Even the biggest nVIDIA fanboy and AMD hater wouldn't expect such a blow against the 1080 Ti.

And availability my @$sets.
Raja "We are bulking so the gamers will be able to buy cards at launch"... perhaps in Raja's mind the worldwide amount of gamers is like 50 people

@LordEc911 come back soon after Computex, we love you and miss your insight.

[chew*]

I would not call it epic fail but I would not call it epic success either.

Maybe call it attaining the status quo.

They were behind now they are caught up in the higher end segment albeit with higher power draw/less than enticing prices currently.

[BenchZowner]

I wouldn't call this caught up in any conceivable way.

They barely surpassed ( 2% average out of 25 games ) the 1080 with a whole lot of higher power consumption, noise and same price, one year later.

If they were a non-profit organization, perhaps I might've felt a little bit sorry for them and been compassionate and gave them a "pat on the back" accompanied by a "congrats".


Comparing the 1080 Ti ( not even the niche Titan Xp ) with the Vega 64 feels like comparing a today's card with a 2 year old card, it is that far behind, it is sad.
And hearsay has it that they're keeping most of the "architecture" from Vega for Navi... please don't be true, that would be a really... poor Vega instead of poor Volta.

Their viral marketing was terrible this time around, and even hardcore AMD fanboys are biting their a$s right now.

[dasa]

two years on and all they have really managed is to die shrink fury x for a ~20% clock speed increase
less memory bandwidth than fury x but more vram

[BenchZowner]

And now, it appears that the $399 and $499 price was a... dirty trick to "trick" reviewers and the public with the "good value Vega 56" conclusion.
Almost confirmed now that these prices were "launch day stock orders only" and there's a new increased price officially from AMD ( MSRP )...

[EternityZX9]

I remember the days when AMD GPU's were king.

...oh wait that was ATi.

It's been a long time - which is just sad.

[chew*]

Comparing the 1080 Ti ( not even the niche Titan Xp ) with the Vega 64 feels like comparing a today's card with a 2 year old card, it is that far behind, it is sad.
And hearsay has it that they're keeping most of the "architecture" from Vega for Navi... please don't be true, that would be a really... poor Vega instead of poor Volta.

even hardcore AMD fanboys are biting their a$s right now.

I would not say I am biting my a$$ but i will say I am seriously contemplating an open box 1080 strix/ftw2 for just a tad over $500...

Need to think about it...I am already vested in a 1080P freesync panel.

Unless i can snag vega 64 open box for less ( doubtful ) who knows maybe i will just milk my 2 290x a little longer...lay down till the feeling goes away.

I hope the vega to navi rumour stays a rumour lol...

[vario]

And now, it appears that the $399 and $499 price was a... dirty trick to "trick" reviewers and the public with the "good value Vega 56" conclusion.
Almost confirmed now that these prices were "launch day stock orders only" and there's a new increased price officially from AMD ( MSRP )...

I havent seen rx vega 64 standard (the black one) for 499$ nowhere, never.I dont know maybe somewhere it was, but at least in europe prices were/are 599$+VAT, ive looked at amazon and newegg also and 599$.

:-/

[StAndrew]

Does this mean we should just kiss Vega GPU stock and reasonable prices goodbye?

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-rad...chain-ethereum

[vario]

Does this mean we should just kiss Vega GPU stock and reasonable prices goodbye?

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-rad...chain-ethereum

I dont know, it still has worse perf/watt than rx480 and 1070. 36 after oc isnt anything earth shattering either, thats at 360W.
But people tend to be stupid so it probably will sell. And AMD did this themselves, so they dont care who buys their cards.Volta looks more interesting to me now.

[BenchZowner]

With the regular price now everywhere at $649 ( incl. sales tax ), which is well inside 1080 Ti territory, I can't help but wonder who is going to get a Vega 64.

[vario]

With the regular price now everywhere at $649 ( incl. sales tax ), which is well inside 1080 Ti territory, I can't help but wonder who is going to get a Vega 64.

Thing is.They are sellin.
And, ive read few differents posts that vega can do more than 40MH/s with these new drivers after some tweaking, underclocking gpu, boosting ram etc.

imgur.com/ssI0GLg

Its not verified yet.But Two different sources now.

[StAndrew]

With the regular price now everywhere at $649 ( incl. sales tax ), which is well inside 1080 Ti territory, I can't help but wonder who is going to get a Vega 64.

If those are the prices, someone is buying

[BenchZowner]

Sure they are buying.

How many however ?

Each shop seemed to have like 5 pieces... wow, what a sale!

by the way, there's a big difficulty increase coming and also a decrease in token issuance per block... in other words, the profits will fall as low as 50% less than what they used to make.
If the card costs $599 at best case scenario... they will simply ignore it because the RoI will be slow ( maybe even unreachable if PoS comes sooner or the token issuance drops even further later ).

[StAndrew]

Sure they are buying.

How many however ?

Each shop seemed to have like 5 pieces... wow, what a sale!

by the way, there's a big difficulty increase coming and also a decrease in token issuance per block... in other words, the profits will fall as low as 50% less than what they used to make.
If the card costs $599 at best case scenario... they will simply ignore it because the RoI will be slow ( maybe even unreachable if PoS comes sooner or the token issuance drops even further later ).

If no one is buying, prices will eventually go down. If they stay, someone is buying

[madmaxx]

With the regular price now everywhere at $649 ( incl. sales tax ), which is well inside 1080 Ti territory, I can't help but wonder who is going to get a Vega 64.

$840 CAD for Vega 64, no 56 in sight. I'll sit this one out. Again.

[BenchZowner]

If no one is buying, prices will eventually go down. If they stay, someone is buying

Only miners would buy a initial MSRP 250$ card at 500$.
Only a very limited few gamers would buy a GTX 1070 now at 500$ when it was under 400$ a month ago.

The current "stay high" prices are partially down to availability, not entirely on a "we have plenty, but they buy high so lets keep it this way" strategy.

[chew*]

Back in stock....pricing even worse now.

[StyM]

those prices...

[StAndrew]

Apparently AMD is playing us for fools. Their advertised 'release' price was with a rebate to distributors that has already expired.

I think the mining rumors were spread by AMD, and with the mining drivers and rediculous prices, I would say AMD figures on miners as being a more profitable market for Vega than gamers.

[vario]

TBH, i think this vega craze will fade quickly, no magic mining numbers, no magic games numbers.Only Vega 56 is looking aaight in the launch prices.
I think it starts to show, you can get them on ebay with almost launch prices ,and some are even auctions.Yes the prices for 64 are off the 599 variety not the 499, but most of them were sold as this one.
It looks like yet another "im gonna buy 3 months after release when people calm down and the cut down version", i had like 3850/4850/6850/6950(modded to 6970), well i bought this 290X, but it was pretty cheap and had good cooling.
The trick with vega seems to be, up the power target, lower the voltage, clock the memory.

[Tim]

I think with the high cost of producing this card AMD wants to get as much profit on them as possible, even if that means screwing over their most loyal customer base.

[Cold Fussion]

Apparently AMD is playing us for fools. Their advertised 'release' price was with a rebate to distributors that has already expired.

Extremely scummy on their behalf.

[EternityZX9]

And hearsay has it that they're keeping most of the "architecture" from Vega for Navi... please don't be true, that would be a really... poor Vega instead of poor Volta.

Hope springs eternal. More lies from either AMD's marketing team or fanboys just trying to grasp at any straw they can. AMD isn't "saving" anything from Vega to use for another card which could be over a year from releasing.

Back in stock....pricing even worse now.

This is so sad it's not even funny at this point.