[News] AMD Vega 10 3DMark Fire Strike Results Surface

[FlanK3r]

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Looks like Huang isn't afraid of what Vega will bring. That's not good for us consumers.

The same Intel thought about Ryzens ...

But my tip is, Vega will be between 1080 and 1080Ti in performance. This is solid, but of course, not danger for Nvidia yet ...

[BenchZowner]

If it's between 1080 and 1080 Ti it's a fail.
Not because it's bad, if nVIDIA stopped at the Ti it would be fine.
But nVIDIA has the Titan Xp, and the new gen Volta GV100, GV102, GV104 coming anytime they... want ( I wouldn't write out a GTX 2080 in late 2k17 ).
Seeing what GV100 stands for, only raises concerns.
Just look at the numbers.

AMD needs a big jump in the GPUs similar to that of Ryzen.

[kromosto]

The same Intel thought about Ryzens ...

But my tip is, Vega will be between 1080 and 1080Ti in performance. This is solid, but of course, not danger for Nvidia yet ...

I don't think Intel's thoughts had changed and I don't think Huang's will either. Ryzen is a success can't deny that and even if it is 1080 Vega will also be a success but neither Intel nor Nvidia will be afraid to cut some very very high profits. Intel's first quarter revenue is higher than AMD's market cap!!! and Nvidia's is 7 times bigger so AMD needs to push them constantly for a long time to make them afraid.

[Andi64]

AMD needs a big jump in the GPUs similar to that of Ryzen.

AMD needs a new architecture, that much is true. But a jump similar to that of Ryzen is an exaggeration.

Bulldozer was an epic failure. Polaris is not.

[BenchZowner]

I don't consider doing well being... 35% behind.

[AliG]

I don't consider doing well being... 35% behind.

Polaris did it's job though. At the time of launch, most people did not think it worth the price premium to get a GTX 1060 over a RX 480. Reason being the 480 was more than sufficient for 1080p gaming, but neither was truly great for 1440p. You'd want a 1070 at that point. Should note that today it is possible to find a 1060 at $200, which is actually a pretty fantastic deal.

If you recall, AMD did take a fair amount of graphics market share between June and October of last year. The problem was it's Big Brother, Vega, was just supremely delayed. That allowed Nvidia to bankroll all the high end enthusiast and professional workstation market into giant profits, which in turn lets them invest more R&D capital. It's one of those negative feedback cycles of not having anything to compete in the high margin segments.

I've said multiple times that AMD literally just needs a paper launch to suppress Nvidia's pricing. People will think twice about spending $1200 on a Titan Xp if they know Vega offers 90% of the performance for $700 - but includes waiting a bit. Problem is I don't think Vega has performed as well as expected, hence the silence.

[BenchZowner]

Even if it surpasses the Titan Xp, it won't be able to cope with the GV100 & GV102 GeForce variants.

It better close the gap at least, so we can see a chance of an AMD high end comeback in the future.

[EternityZX9]

If it's between 1080 and 1080 Ti it's a fail.
Not because it's bad, if nVIDIA stopped at the Ti it would be fine.
But nVIDIA has the Titan Xp, and the new gen Volta GV100, GV102, GV104 coming anytime they... want ( I wouldn't write out a GTX 2080 in late 2k17 ).
Seeing what GV100 stands for, only raises concerns.
Just look at the numbers.

AMD needs a big jump in the GPUs similar to that of Ryzen.

I think it depends on the perspective of who is going to be buying Vega.
If you have a 1080 right now is it going to be worth upgrading? Doesn't seem that likely.
However if you have a 980 (nvidia) or 480(AMD) - yeah I think Vega would be worth upgrading to.
Question is how big of a market is that? I dunno. Guess we will have to wait and see.

But I agree that based on when it's being released the product should be at least a 1080Ti level - otherwise most other people that already have 1080s, 1080Ti's, and Titans are going go "meh" and not bother with it.

[AliG]

Even if it surpasses the Titan Xp, it won't be able to cope with the GV100 & GV102 GeForce variants.

It better close the gap at least, so we can see a chance of an AMD high end comeback in the future.

Agreed, but GV100 is a good year away. AMD can deal with Volta when it actually hits the market.

Right now they need to stop the bleeding. There's not a single person on this forum that would consider buying an AMD card if their gfx budget was $500. That's a major problem, and it's only going to allow Nvidia to continue expanding their technology lead until they at least have literally a single card that competes in the enthusiast segment.

[BenchZowner]

Nobody would hesitate to splash even $900 on a high end AMD gpu, as long as it is competing or exceeding nVIDIA's current offering.
GV100 is approx a year away, GV102 nope.

And in a simple refresh ( if they even make it, they haven't been that successful even in terms of refreshing the chip lately ) the Vega if it's in 1080 Ti territory won't make it to GV102 territory.

[kromosto]

I think it depends on the perspective of who is going to be buying Vega.
If you have a 1080 right now is it going to be worth upgrading? Doesn't seem that likely.
However if you have a 980 (nvidia) or 480(AMD) - yeah I think Vega would be worth upgrading to.
Question is how big of a market is that? I dunno. Guess we will have to wait and see.

But I agree that based on when it's being released the product should be at least a 1080Ti level - otherwise most other people that already have 1080s, 1080Ti's, and Titans are going go "meh" and not bother with it.

And 980ti... I wont bother Vega too

And another pov having the best card in the market is important too. While people like us don't bother things like that most people choose cards based on false assumptions like if a brand has the best card on the market than I should get that brand on mid and low range. That is why AMD pushed x2 cards on the market and claim we have the best one card solution.

[AliG]

Nobody would hesitate to splash even $900 on a high end AMD gpu, as long as it is competing or exceeding nVIDIA's current offering.
GV100 is approx a year away, GV102 nope.

And in a simple refresh ( if they even make it, they haven't been that successful even in terms of refreshing the chip lately ) the Vega if it's in 1080 Ti territory won't make it to GV102 territory.

I think I should have been more clear, AMD doesn't offer anything in that segment. If you had $500 to spend, your only option is Nvidia today.

But I think otherwise we agree; AMD literally just needs something competitive in the price point.

[BenchZowner]

We need the past... nVIDIA GF4 Ti4600... boom, AMD 9800PRO ( and XTX ? my memory is failing hahaha ).
Every few months a change in the top.
Can we have this again ?

[EternityZX9]

We need the past... nVIDIA GF4 Ti4600... boom, AMD 9800PRO ( and XTX ? my memory is failing hahaha ).
Every few months a change in the top.
Can we have this again ?

I dunno. That was a different company ATI. AMD's graphics division hasn't done much to give me hope.

Drink some more coffee!

[kromosto]

x800xtx and 9800pro was versus 5800 if i remember right Ti4600 was down with 9700pro

[BenchZowner]

If my memory isn't failing the releases in order were:

9700 Pro -> GF 4 Ti4600 -> 9800 PRO -> GFail Series (FX) -> X800 Series

[kromosto]

I upgraded to 9700pro from a Ti4200 and then a 9800pro then x800pro. And I clearly remember I bought a 9800pro for my friend after burning his asus 5800... which was replaced by a 5900 or 5950 (something like this) after a month... good old times.

[Darakian]

I dunno. That was a different company ATI. AMD's graphics division hasn't done much to give me hope.

Drink some more coffee!

The relative size of each company is also worth keeping in mind. Nvidia is now making billions of dollars a year while AMD has been losing millions and only now leveling out. Back when it was Ati vs nvidia the two companies were both making a similar amount of money (until around the 1800 - 2900 days for ati). The best engineers in the world can't design a chip with no budget.

[BenchZowner]

Come on guys... GF4 Ti4xxx FEB 2002 - Radeon 9800 Pro OCT 2003 - GeForce FX 5xxx MAR 2003.

Release dates according to reviews & GPU Database @ TPU

[kromosto]

yeah but 9700pro is august 2002. it is later then ti4600

[madmaxx]

This happens every 6 months for as long as I can remember. You've been here since 2005, you should know this.

I just enjoy the nonsense to be honest, it would be a tad boring without it!

No. It hasn't always been like this. I'll take moments of boring over constantly seeing/reading BS any day of the week.

[SinOfLiberty]

No. It hasn't always been like this. I'll take moments of boring over constantly seeing/reading BS any day of the week.

Dude, it`s a bread and butter of marketing. Always(hopefully not, tho) will be this way. All this cards and games that require you to upgrade `em. Nvidia does work well to ensure the cards age fast enough, they are all in it for business.

[Tim]

No. It hasn't always been like this. I'll take moments of boring over constantly seeing/reading BS any day of the week.

For sure it has, every GPU release from the major camps over the last decade plus has been precedented by rumours, leaks, 3DMark scores, random fud articles with no basis in reality and fanboys going mad!

Must have been a helluva rock you've been hiding under!

[madmaxx]

Dude, it`s a bread and butter of marketing. Always(hopefully not, tho) will be this way. All this cards and games that require you to upgrade `em. Nvidia does work well to ensure the cards age fast enough, they are all in it for business.

For sure it has, every GPU release from the major camps over the last decade plus has been precedented by rumours, leaks, 3DMark scores, random fud articles with no basis in reality and fanboys going mad!

Must have been a helluva rock you've been hiding under!

I understand how things work, things have just gone into beast mode the last couple of years. It's annoying, IMHO.

[Particle]

For sure it has, every GPU release from the major camps over the last decade plus has been precedented by rumours, leaks, 3DMark scores, random fud articles with no basis in reality and fanboys going mad!

Must have been a helluva rock you've been hiding under!

People have always been excited about new products and speculated about their features or performance, but things today are certainly different than they were ten years ago.