[News/Rumor] AMD launching "X399" HEDT platform [Update: HEDT Called ThreadRipper ]

[StyM]

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...#post-38797798

Public knowledge by now but AMD has a new HEDT platform coming out in a couple of months
You'll see more of it at Computex I believe.
It's a 16 core /32 Thread, quad channel behemoth. And it is insanely quick in the tests that Ryzen is already excelling at. So Cinebench, and all other related productivity programs. The gaming issues that were causing the Ryzen AM4 CPUs to behave erratically to say the least have been ironed out. It's akin to a newer revision on a newer platform. This should be competing with the Xeon and of course 6950X Intel offers for $1700~$1800USD, but at about $1,000 USD if not less for some Skews. Coming soon.
CPSs are pretty big physically, about twice the size of surrent 6950X CPUs and a bit more perhaps.
And if you were hoping for pins, nope it's strictly LGA!
IT's NOT 8 channel, but Quad.

Will be a splendid competition between X299 and this AMD platform. Skylake-X is pretty good, not revolutionary but a meaningful step up in IPC and the clocks are pretty high as well. If Intel will have a 32 core part to compete on X299 remains to be seen, but the HEDT platform is going to change quite a bit in the next 4 to 6 months.

rumoooooooooooooooooooooooooooors....

[kromosto]

Now AMD started to play.

[zanzabar]

Now AMD started to play.

they have had platform (or one like it) since 2010 with g34. it had the first 12 core socket, and first 32 thread socket. if it hits consumers this time instead of canned at the last minute it should be nice, but having 4 ccx on a socket could be really ty for gaming or non assigned thread workloads.

[JPQY]

AMD's rumoured 180W 16-core Ryzen part will reportedly run at 3.1/3.6GHz

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu...t_3_1_3_6ghz/1

JP.

[AliG]

Any rumors of a 12-core part? Seems logical that you could fuse either 3 4-core CCXs or 2 6-core modules (probably more likely) in an MCM to further improve yield.

[StyM]

AMD X390 and X399 chipsets diagrams reveal HEDT Information

[MattiasNYC]

Could you maybe not phrase headlines to state something with certainty when it's just a @#$ rumor???

[vario]

AMD could DESTROY some niche markets with these, if there would be dual cpu boards with unlocked cpus.
As for platform existence, well, its probably just made off server parts, so not much R&D to do, chips also, with ryzen at least AMD has a contender so its pretty plausible.
32 cores at 4ghz

[iddqd]

Colck.

[Hell Hound]

AMD could DESTROY some niche markets with these, if there would be dual cpu boards with unlocked cpus.
As for platform existence, well, its probably just made off server parts, so not much R&D to do, chips also, with ryzen at least AMD has a contender so its pretty plausible.
32 cores at 4ghz

With 128gb @ 4ghz+ memory THE SR2 IS DEAD
I'll take two 16core 64mb cache chips

[FlanK3r]

wow, if this really coming to desktop...Wow AMD

[StyM]

AMD Ryzen with 12C/24T appears, excites us all so much

[StAndrew]

I hope they do away with the CCX design. That X390 looks like my next upgrade depending on clocks and single thread performance (and price)

[vario]

I hope they do away with the CCX design. That X390 looks like my next upgrade depending on clocks and single thread performance (and price)

Pretty much no hope for the no CCX design.
And with 95% probability, thats a MCM chip with two zeppelin dies with each having two cores disabled.
All the ccx problems still there and even more due to the dual die design.But, in pure computational power, a beast.

[drmrlordx]

CCX problems can be alleviated by higher data fabric speeds and scheduler optimization.

[zanzabar]

Pretty much no hope for the no CCX design.
And with 95% probability, thats a MCM chip with two zeppelin dies with each having two cores disabled.
All the ccx problems still there and even more due to the dual die design.But, in pure computational power, a beast.

when you look at it as 2 cpus on one socket it is not a big deal. it is especially not a big deal if they ID as separate numa nodes. you also have to keep in mind that this will have lower clock speeds and is not intended for thread defendant workloads like zen am4 is.

[StAndrew]

when you look at it as 2 cpus on one socket it is not a big deal. it is especially not a big deal if they ID as separate numa nodes. you also have to keep in mind that this will have lower clock speeds and is not intended for thread defendant workloads like zen am4 is.

I think clock speed are more dependant on silicon than heat at this point so I won't be too surprised if they clock close to the 7 series. On water at least. 180w is a lot.

[vario]

when you look at it as 2 cpus on one socket it is not a big deal. it is especially not a big deal if they ID as separate numa nodes. you also have to keep in mind that this will have lower clock speeds and is not intended for thread defendant workloads like zen am4 is.

Yes and no. Its probably targeted at hpc markets, but some people are gonna use it "for everything", just like intels x99.
Lower clock speeds are true for x99 also.ofcourse its pure speculation atm, we dont know if theyre gonna be unlocked or not, or if it even exists .
Also, there are these kinda people who crash every amd thread just to inform everyone that 7700k is a better cpu because it is faster in gaming .
And there are a lot of amd folks that have very high hopes everytime anything is announced.So some people see this x390/x399 as a contender for the x99/x299 for enthusiasts, and it probably wont be, because people in this segment quantify everything around gaming/SLI 144hz and so on.
Me however, well, if it wouldnt be priced to hell, i would be interested. Just now im encoding x264 on 8 threads and 4 threads are doing xcom 2 ;-).
Anyhow, i think that considering zens good energy efficiency up to around 3.8ghz i wouldnt be suprised if these cpus could be clocked 3,5 base for all cores at 180W.I was pulling 300W with my 8320 :P
As for data fabric speeds, unless its a new revision at least, nothing will change.Results around the world seem to indicate that AMD cant clock IMC/IF on every ryzen chip higher than 1333(2666 for dram) reliably, some do, some dont. I think thats the achilles heel that causes all these problems.

[zanzabar]

As for data fabric speeds, unless its a new revision at least, nothing will change.Results around the world seem to indicate that AMD cant clock IMC/IF on every ryzen chip higher than 1333(2666 for dram) reliably, some do, some dont. I think thats the achilles heel that causes all these problems.

the new micro code and hidden voltage changes amd is putting out look like it will let ram get to 3200mhz. i have not seen any benches, but things may get interesting. but then the clock speeds i dont see magically getting near 4.5ghz to give intel a gaming run. then again no one buys more than 8 cores for gaming on intel since they clock bad and are $1400. i do like my 5930k sine i can run my plex server on 2 threads and game on 4.

[vario]

the new micro code and hidden voltage changes amd is putting out look like it will let ram get to 3200mhz. i have not seen any benches, but things may get interesting. but then the clock speeds i dont see magically getting near 4.5ghz to give intel a gaming run. then again no one buys more than 8 cores for gaming on intel since they clock bad and are $1400. i do like my 5930k sine i can run my plex server on 2 threads and game on 4.

Oh, doing ram at 3200 is pretty easy now, IF you have 2 single rank samsung B modules ;-)
.As dor the 3200 benches, there are some in the wild now.But even more interesting are the 3600 benches


And thats all very good, shows potential. But more and more people seem to get a wall around 2933 and cant get more stable, and its not dependant on bioses but on the cpu used, in same cirumstances some do it some dont. Chew in the amd section writes about it.
And most of the reviews were made with 2133 ram with crappy timings in barely working bioses.

[vario]

Some more rumours. Although source isnt bad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment..._name_of_1224/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrHt9AfGa9w

Here is the new information;

Zen HEDT CPU's are called Threadripper!
Each CPU will include 64 PCI-E Lanes!
It includes 4 CCX's.
Lower SKU(Probably 12/24) 140W TDP, Higher SKU (Probably 16/32) 180W TDP.
Socket will be an SP3 LGA
Platform's name will probably be X399
Chips will be B2 revisions.
32MB L3 Cache
ES's are 3,3 or 3,4 Ghz base and 3,7 Ghz Boost
It is aimed for Retail SKU to have 3,6 Base/4 Ghz Boost
ES's that are in the wild have 2500 CB R15.
Infinity Fabric can have a bandwidth up to 100GB/S
Announcement; COMPUTEX at Taiwan, sales will start after 2-3 weeks following COMPUTEX.

From all these, really interesting to me is the B2 revision. It might fix some IF/uncore/ram problems.
These chips could be the real RyZEN.

[NEOAethyr]

Even though this leak is from asus, it doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna be anything other then a typical server board.
Though if it's a consumer board, like x79/x99, then heck ya .

I would like to see consumer boards, and if that is the case, 2nd or 3rd rev of the cpu will make it into a decent platform worth buying.
Zen+ or ++.
I certainly wouldn't buy it right now though unless you feel like just messing around and wasting money.

There's some people on guru3d, thinking they are gonna replace there x99's with this ^^, I feel sorry for them tbh.
Also, after an article on guru3d about ccx's, from some unk site... (I've seen evidence to the contrary), people think everything is great and the prob is elsewhere.
It must be the games fault, lmao... :\
Omfg..., people these days, flat earth, games need optimized...
Nothing wrong with windows scheduler... ^^ :|

Anyways, again, if what I said above happens, comsumer boards, 2nd, 3rd gen that clocks mem much higher or something man..., then it's worth getting.
I'de even buy one, not for myself, but for my little brother.
I think I'll stick with intel until amd can actually design something without major flaws.
And going from past experience, years of, I honestly don't think there chip are reliable, always some sort of issue, either random bsods, or cracks and pops in audio (939, I think it was the irq timer tbh, I used to force rtc those days...)

The 939...
I could not fix the cracks and pops on the audio, I ended up getting so angry I smashed every piece of pc equipment I had in my room that day.
A dfi 939, an opty 165, and my mem, everything.
Including my WR 282-283 mhz fsb 1;1 dfi nf2 (only thing I could save was it's cpu which I still have).

[AliG]

Oh, doing ram at 3200 is pretty easy now, IF you have 2 single rank samsung B modules ;-)
.As dor the 3200 benches, there are some in the wild now.But even more interesting are the 3600 benches

And thats all very good, shows potential. But more and more people seem to get a wall around 2933 and cant get more stable, and its not dependant on bioses but on the cpu used, in same cirumstances some do it some dont. Chew in the amd section writes about it.
And most of the reviews were made with 2133 ram with crappy timings in barely working bioses.

Those are actually pretty impressive imo. I decided Ryzen wasn't far me because of the typical issues that come with a new architecture, but I am very open to Zen+. I still have no need to actually upgrade my core count just yet - figure why not see how AMD fixes their corners cases and Intel's Ryzen response?

[StyM]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment..._name_of_1224/

• Zen HEDT CPU's are called Threadripper!
• Each CPU will include 64 PCI-E Lanes!
• It includes 4 CCX's.
• Lower SKU(Probably 12/24) 140W TDP, Higher SKU (Probably 16/32) 180W TDP.
• Socket will be an SP3 LGA
• Platform's name will probably be X399
• Chips will be B2 revisions.
• 32MB L3 Cache
• ES's are 3,3 or 3,4 Ghz base and 3,7 Ghz Boost
• It is aimed for Retail SKU to have 3,6 Base/4 Ghz Boost
• ES's that are in the wild have 2500 CB R15.
• Infinity Fabric can have a bandwidth up to 100GB/S
• Announcement; COMPUTEX at Taiwan, sales will start after 2-3 weeks following COMPUTEX.