So, which board to get for Ryzen?

[vario]

its neither of those. you can find a pic of it on the internet, but that is all the info you can find about it. currently unreleased, undocumented and not very intuitive. I found it mentioned on reddit... ONCE. Basically what you guys got now is way WAY better than what you could have gotten. I have to use a windows 10 feature just to enter bios.

...

don't complain about bios or boards because it can be FAR worse.

AMD Golemit ? The reference board ?
Anyhow, sexy looking ;-) .
I mean i REALLY prefer the old bios look to these new fancy graphic uefi ones. But yea would be nice to not setup it in hex values

[ZenEffect]

its got a major name brand attached to it.

[drmrlordx]

Can't say I have a reference board, but I got in the Taichi so it's time to build!

This could take awhile.

[vario]

Can't say I have a reference board, but I got in the Taichi so it's time to build!

This could take awhile.

Be gentle with it, there are already casualties on this forum

[AlleyViper]

Cool thats one on my list. As cheap as they are i don't mind buying a few b350 to fool around with.

Looks like the giga actually has a decent pwm for b350.

The gaming 5 pwm is not bad quality but heatsinks and pwm switching frequency are probably the cause of it running hot.

They are probably running switching frequency on the high side.

That can be tuned probably

The GA-AB350-Gaming 3 (4+3)? I went to check them in hope of a Gaming 5 like PWM, but only saw that one. The Asrock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 seems to have 6 chokes under the larger HS, but there might be only 3+3 real phases instead of the claimed 9, like most am3/+ boards with doubled components per phase (asus "6"+2 boards come to mind). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the top phases in these boards isn't used without an APU.
I'm very curious about these lower tier boards, thanks for all of your time testing for us (meaning AMD guys on a tight budget).

[chew*]

giga B350 is using On semi as is the asus iirc.

Both in that category ( B350 ) are arguably using higher quality components.

That said I would not run prime 95 4 gig on any of them.........

http://www.clubedohardware.com.br/ar...672/?nbcpage=5

Actually ASUS Prime 350-Plus ASP1106GGQW (4+2) 4 - 4C09B 2x 4C06B

[I.nfraR.ed]

There's a table in a German forum with VRM configurations: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/communit...e-1155146.html

PS: It seems Gigabyte and Biostar are a little better equipped in the lower tier, at least on paper. If that info is true.
But I still think the X370 Gaming 5 is the most overpriced board I've seen lately. It is selling for 350 euro here...

[chew*]

Asus prime as well its using ch6 phase reconfigured for a true 6 phase on the vcore side.

Bios supports hurting it right now though.

[charged3800z24]

The Tomahawk is a 4+2 I believe. Still not having the heat issues nor any drooping. With new PSU the system is much cleaner on power.

[chew*]

The Tomahawk is a 4+2 I believe. Still not having the heat issues nor any drooping. With new PSU the system is much cleaner on power.

MSi used some high quality parts then for whatever reason used nikos fets.

When compared to what everyone else used they kinda dropped the ball there.

At least on the titanium this is confirmed.

If your feeling frisky enough to pull the pwm sinks off and get me a high res shot of fets and voltage controller I can decipher the hieroglyphs on the tomahawk.

And yes it looks like 4+2 unless the soc is doubled which I doubt.

[Sparky]

I've generally like MSI boards in the past. I'm running a Gigabyte X68 right now for my 2600k and it has been good too. All time favorite is still my old Asus A8R32-MVP deluxe. But, I rarely even consider Asus these days just because of how they jerked me around so bad and utterly refused to replace a defective board, saying "it tested fine" - resulting in me having to buy another board (another brand) to fix the problem with the PC (PC has been running fine for years now since then). Granted, it was only a simple $50 board, but it's the principle.

[charged3800z24]

MSi used some high quality parts then for whatever reason used nikos fets.
When compared to what everyone else used they kinda dropped the ball there.
At least on the titanium this is confirmed.
If your feeling frisky enough to pull the pwm sinks off and get me a high res shot of fets and voltage controller I can decipher the hieroglyphs on the tomahawk.
And yes it looks like 4+2 unless the soc is doubled which I doubt.

Was actually going to do that at some point. I'll try to this week if not by weekend.

[drmrlordx]

Be gentle with it, there are already casualties on this forum

Everything is running. Right now my main impediments are that MS kicked me out of the Insider program when I moved my Insider Win10 over to my new system, forcing me to re-enter it, so it'll be awhile before I get the latest preview build back on my system. Er impediments, plural. Yes, the stock UEFI on this Taichi was 1.2p which does not have the in-UEFI flash utility. So I may have to Windows flash, or try a DOS flash or . . . something.

Otherwise the system is doing quite well, though the Intel NIC on this thing is just awful. 802.11ac connecting at 802.11b speeds? Please. My old Rosewill 802.11ac NIC was better than that!

More later, tryin to update some crap and flash this thing to 1.55 beta.

[I.nfraR.ed]

Woohooo, my Crosshair is back to life after staying more than 48 hours without battery.

Meanwhile I got Asrock AB350 Fatal1ty K4.
Bios it came with is so poor. No multi adjustment, no voltage adjustment, no memory timings adjustment.
I used Zen CBS settings which all mobos have with custom P-States adjustment, but it didn't change anything. Had to stop Turbo to lower the voltage on my 1800X and calm down the fans.

Now running latest beta, which has multi and voltage adjustments, but if I change them, board does not POST anymore and have to clear the bios with the jumper.
On the other hand the CBS options work and I can define a custom P-State.

On the memory side, it was able to load XMP and boot at 3200, haven't tried more yesterday, because I need to install windows first.

VRMs get hot with 1800X on stock, just lurking in bios. As chew* said, I wouldn't run Prime95 on these lower end boards.

[radier]

ASRock X370 Taichi AMD Ryzen Socket AM4 ATX Motherboard Review

[chew*]

Infra just set voltage, mem and boot use ryzen master. Same issue with asus. Multis problematic on boot.

[Sly Fox]

Finally snagged a board. Ordered the Gigabyte X370 K7 yesterday, and it appears to be boxed up waiting for FedEx according to Newegg.

My only minor concern is that the M.2 slot is right under the 16x slot, meaning the GPU cooler is going to be right on top of my 960 Evo.

Any of you lot had a board with a similar layout? Any issues?

[drmrlordx]

Nice Fox, let us know how it goes.

Flashing the Taichi from 1.2p (shipping UEFI) to 1.55 beta made my BPX 480Gb NVMe gumstick disappear. I have to select it from a boot submenu to get it back as a bootable device.

The UEFI options are 95-99% identical to those mentioned in the X370 Taichi manual:

http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/...0%20Taichi.pdf

This board needs at least two more 4-pin fan headers. Also the Intel integrated wireless seems stuck in 802.11b mode, not sure why?

edit: did some more work with the Taichi.

First off, do NOT OC memory from the UEFI. Do it via Ryzen Master. Set all your RAM voltage in UEFI but set the clocks/timings from Windows. Sucks for Linux users unless there is a Ryzen Master upcoming for that OS. Regardless I got 14-14-14-32 DDR4-3200 with my DDR4-3733 CL17 Vengeance LPX, and I might be able to get tighter timings still. I used 1.4v set in UEFI (the RAM voltage settings available in Ryzen Master are far too conservative).

Trying to set any RAM speed above 2666-ish in UEFI causes a reboot loop.

There is no way to save profiles in the UEFI which sucks. I could save around 8 of them on my A88x-Pro. The Taichi does not permit saving a single one. So you'd better know your settings if you have to hit the reset button.

bclk OC does not seem to work right now, at least not at speeds of 104 MHz or higher. Maybe I need to switch to IDE SATA mode? Anyway it locks up at boot screen using 110 MHz bclk. 105 MHz bclk induces a reboot loop. 104 MHz bclk causes the OS to go into self-repair mode and get stuck. Disappointing. It is possible that there is strap-like behavior so that stable "holes" can be found, but I would not count on it.

[I.nfraR.ed]

If it is anything like the AB350 Fatality K4, try to set mem speed and timings in Advanced -> AMD CBS -> Memory Timing Configuration and not from the menu in OC Tweaker.
Just set voltage there and use the AMD menu for the rest.

[Oberon]

edit: did some more work with the Taichi.

First off, do NOT OC memory from the UEFI. Do it via Ryzen Master. Set all your RAM voltage in UEFI but set the clocks/timings from Windows. Sucks for Linux users unless there is a Ryzen Master upcoming for that OS. Regardless I got 14-14-14-32 DDR4-3200 with my DDR4-3733 CL17 Vengeance LPX, and I might be able to get tighter timings still. I used 1.4v set in UEFI (the RAM voltage settings available in Ryzen Master are far too conservative).

Trying to set any RAM speed above 2666-ish in UEFI causes a reboot loop.

There is no way to save profiles in the UEFI which sucks. I could save around 8 of them on my A88x-Pro. The Taichi does not permit saving a single one. So you'd better know your settings if you have to hit the reset button.

bclk OC does not seem to work right now, at least not at speeds of 104 MHz or higher. Maybe I need to switch to IDE SATA mode? Anyway it locks up at boot screen using 110 MHz bclk. 105 MHz bclk induces a reboot loop. 104 MHz bclk causes the OS to go into self-repair mode and get stuck. Disappointing. It is possible that there is strap-like behavior so that stable "holes" can be found, but I would not count on it.

That's unfortunate... I've been waiting for a Taichi to come in stock somewhere around me, but if it's having that much trouble right now, I might as well just stroll down to my local B&M store and pick up a PRIME X370-Pro.

[chew*]

Busy week for me. Anyway weekends here. Off to microcenter to check clearance rack and pick up a board in the AM.

This time I will give the x370 Asus prime a shot. The pwm has my curiosity peaked. Quality pwm > bios support.

Bios support can be fixxed.

Poor pwm component/design can only be fixxed by replacing pcb.

Anyway i want to try out the true 6 phase nextfet setup having already used the gigabyte IR 6 phase.

[drmrlordx]

That's unfortunate... I've been waiting for a Taichi to come in stock somewhere around me, but if it's having that much trouble right now, I might as well just stroll down to my local B&M store and pick up a PRIME X370-Pro.

On the plus side it doesn't brick itself, and it performs well despite its quirks. ASRock has a lot more work to do with their UEFI.

There are a metric ton of UEFI options - some of them redundant. I don't fully understand a lot of them, and it looks to me that certain parts of the UEFI are leftovers of a beta/pre-production UEFI revision.

I still haven't tried bclk OC with my SATA drive set to IDE mode (or disconnected), but if I have time this weekend . . .

[chew*]

Ok so ASUS x370 PRO

3200 ram 14-14-14 16g?

PWM runs cool?

LLC is a little overkill hopefully they can tune it. I have like 0 droop even on lv1....maybe I need a crappier power supply lol.

3200 ram 32 g DS?

Best I can get so far with a 32g 16-16-16 pc 3400 is 14-14-14 2666

Prime 95 stability very difficult with current voltage swings due to llc being way to aggressive.

[drmrlordx]

Hmm, LLC is pretty stable on the Taichi. Level 3 holds it steady when running 4.0 GHz @ 1.35v vcore. Using Level 1 jacks it up to 1.4v at full load.

Only way to monitor voltage with this board is to look at CPU-z (or similar) and multiply by two.

I'm also getting some crazy differences in socket temperature and Tctl. Check it out:




Even with the 20c offset, Tctl is getting far ahead of socket/CPU temp.

[Nelly]

TweakTown posted two reviews over the last day or so, includes circuit analysis.

ASRock X370 Taichi (AMD X370) Motherboard Review >> http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/809...iew/index.html

ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero (AMD X370) Motherboard Review >> http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/809...iew/index.html