[News] Shares of AMD fall after gaming performance of new processors disappoints

[StyM]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/02/share...formance-.html

Advanced Micro Devices shares fell for a second-straight day after the firm's new Ryzen line of desktop processors disappointed gamers.

"The [Ryzen] 1800X lags behind its Intel counterparts in gaming, regardless of whether it's running at the same clock speed or higher," Mark Walton wrote in technology review site Ars Technica on Thursday.

PCWorld, PC Gamer also criticized the new processors for poor gaming performance.

Shares of AMD closed down more than 6 percent Friday after falling 7 percent Thursday. Intel shares closed little-less-than one percent lower Friday.

John Taylor, a spokesman for Advanced Micro Devices and vice president at Worldwide Marketing, told CNBC: "There are a few gaming oriented sites that have expressed some disappointment over gaming performance at low resolution. This is a matter of optimization by those games on Ryzen. The CPU performance shines through strongly in every CPU test reviewers have run."

AMD released its Ryzen 7 lineup Thursday with 3 models: an 1800x, 1700x, and 1700 whose prices range from $329 to $499. The semiconductor company announced the product line back in December.

Outside of gaming, Ars Technica's Walton said, that "for the most part, Ryzen is highly competitive with Intel's eight-core i7-6900K."

On Jan. 31, the company posted a lower-than-expected fourth-quarter loss of 1 cent per share on revenue of $1.11 billion. Analysts polled by Thomson Reuters expected a loss of 2 cents per share on revenue of $1.07 billion.

The company gave high expectations for the first quarter, estimating an 18 percent boost in revenue.

i don't get it , how does this processor disappoint ?

[iddqd]

I guess if your goal is to have the highest FPS humanly possible while playing CS:GO in 1080p, then it disappoints compared to the intel quads...

[zanzabar]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/02/share...formance-.html







i don't get it , how does this processor disappoint ?

they are taking profits. amd is up huge on the year and now that they have a metrics to estimate profits for the year people are taking profits out.

[AliG]

they are taking profits. amd is up huge on the year and now that they have a metrics to estimate profits for the year people are taking profits out.

Pretty much.

The shares hit $15 because people had priced in the gaming performance being exceptional, and the mainstream crowd buying in big time. Since that didn't happen, a lot of us chose to just collect our winnings and move on.

I made a quick buck on the Snapchat IPO also with the same line of thinking. I tried to then short it afterwords - but no one was lending shares yet (i.e. no one thinks its worth the risk) LOL

[Metroid]

Pretty much.

The shares hit $15 because people had priced in the gaming performance being exceptional, and the mainstream crowd buying in big time. Since that didn't happen, a lot of us chose to just collect our winnings and move on.

I made a quick buck on the Snapchat IPO also with the same line of thinking. I tried to then short it afterwords - but no one was lending shares yet (i.e. no one thinks its worth the risk) LOL

Remember what I told you, buy on news, sell before reviews. hehe

Yeah, like you said "hit $15", coming from around $4, it had to crash and AMD gave bears a reason. Truth is, shares would crash anyway, AMD made it easier for bears.

I'm very happy Ryzen is in the market. I will not buy it just yet.

[Ket]

i don't get it , how does this processor disappoint ?

Without the gory details, it doesn't. Its people blowing things out of proportion and / or knee-jerking. My Zen 1700 review CPU is sitting next to me now - waiting on the Aorus Gaming 5.

[Buckeye]

We wait for the SMT fix... mean while on Lunix its very good.

[chew*]

We wait for the SMT fix... mean while on Lunix its very good.

Or don't be beta testers for MS use win 7 till win 10 is SP1........I already hate this OS.

[Sparky]

Win10 is already "SP1" in a sense. That's what 1607 basically was, from 1511 which was the "how it should have been released" version, prior to that the first couple months it existed was public beta, IMO.

That said, I have been using win10 since that era, and aside from the expected (but relatively minor) bugs I experienced early on, I haven't had much issue with it. And it was even an in-place upgrade to a 6 year old Win7 instal that had already seen several hardware changes. I can't really complain, that entire process over all went a lot smoother than I expected!

[chew*]

Win10 is already "SP1" in a sense. That's what 1607 basically was, from 1511 which was the "how it should have been released" version, prior to that the first couple months it existed was public beta, IMO.

That said, I have been using win10 since that era, and aside from the expected (but relatively minor) bugs I experienced early on, I haven't had much issue with it. And it was even an in-place upgrade to a 6 year old Win7 instal that had already seen several hardware changes. I can't really complain, that entire process over all went a lot smoother than I expected!

Its probably due to fact I have not shut useless crud off. For testing purposes I leave it on. reviews and feedback bone stock. When I bench its a totally different story. My own system on win 7 is fuctional but lightened up a little.

[xlink]

This is lame. Gaming performance checks the box in my book.

This is in contrast to Bulldozer/Piledriver which did NOT check the box.

Also I haven't gamed at 1080p in 5 years.

[chew*]

I do but I use 144hz freesync 1ms.

However being that I consider myself a gamer play fps and that is my type of game play I shoved 2 cards in my rig and am not gaming off a some dated performance wise single card like probably most of the whiners.

My cards are dated but performance wise on par with current. if I lose a couple frames it won't be end of world......but I will try to tune the system so it gets the most.

[NEOAethyr]

Hey guys, I was reading through this thread:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...2500572/page-9

I came up with maybe a tiny tweak that may help with this cpu:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\PriorityControl]

;Quantum Priority
;Found that GTA3 render errors are from using a ratio other then 1:1
;"Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:00000018 ;Long ,Fixed ,1:1
;"Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:0000001a ;Long ,Fixed ,3:1
"Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:00000028 ;Short ,Fixed ,1:1 (Fastest SuperPI's)
;"Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:00000029 ;Short ,Fixed ,2:1

Try the value 0x1a, long fixed 3;1 ratio
It should keep the threads from bouncing around as quickly...
It's not good for content creation, and it will break timing (honestly it only broke timing in gta3 as far as I know and that was years ago, with single cores...).

You may need permissions and you will have to do a full reset for this setting to take effect.
I'm just throwing this out there, it may help.

I don't remember that well, but dynamic instead of fixed may of had a potential for a longer quantum slice.
Or whatever it was called lol.

[FlanK3r]

Or don't be beta testers for MS use win 7 till win 10 is SP1........I already hate this OS.

For W10 will come new update for better support of Ryzens CPU behavior in some scenarios. I heard, this update will be soon. But for interest I will test Ryzen at Win7 first ANd I would like to try XP also for SUperpi.

[kromosto]

It dissappinted me. Unless bios and other optimizations work I think I will choose 7700k or 6800k over these.

And believe me making game developers optimize their games for ryzen is day dreaming. Intel has its own compiler to do most of this which is used by nearly every developer.

[Tim]

It dissappinted me. Unless bios and other optimizations work I think I will choose 7700k or 6800k over these.

And believe me making game developers optimize their games for ryzen is day dreaming. Intel has its own compiler to do most of this which is used by nearly every developer.

No you can't possibly be right because AMD. FWIW, I did feel disappointed to see that where AMDs forte used to be in the good old times, they fell short.

The hype train was so incredible, it had to fall short in at least one regard or the other. A large majority of enthusiasts are very easily swayed by marketing and hype, something AMD is king in. Preordering on the assumption that the whole CPU was going to be incredible was just a foolish move. You should never preorder things before seeing the product and reviews.

Now I'm not saying Ryzen is a bad CPU, in fact, I think it's really good, and I'm very happy to see Intel getting a good kick up the butt. The problem, which I've said before is all realism goes out the window when AMD is mentioned on forums. Rose tinted glasses go on on almost all people and everyone forgets about all the shady marketing and mediocre products they've given in the past.

I like AMD, but I can take a step back and say, you know what, it's a great CPU, but I'll wait a bit before things stabilise before jumping on the bandwagon. And it's much the same with AMD in their graphics department. You buy nVidia, it's great out of the box, you buy AMD, well, in the end they get their act together but they leave much to be desired in hardware and software quality control.

[FlanK3r]

I dont see something bad at Ryzen Tim...Better power consumption than BW-E in average during the reviews, special at chips 7 1700 (similar as 7700K power consumption), very good multithread performance in rendering, video encoding or special sience calculations. And average gaming performance (but realy not bad)
Two negatives in my opinion are:
-not much overclocking headrom
-Windows 10 and BIOSes are not 100% ready yet and at some boards you can see after reflash the BIOS or cold start some bugs (6800/6900 Intel chips had the same issues at beginning). Windows 10 not ready means difference between Win7 performance and Win10 in some apliacations and games. Few guys tested it personally.
-and maybe complex unit, so simply for games PCs will be better Ryzen 4c/8t tjan 6c/8c/12t/16t as you will see soon

[Tim]

I dont see something bad at Ryzen Tim...Better power consumption than BW-E in average during the reviews, special at chips 7 1700 (similar as 7700K power consumption), very good multithread performance in rendering, video encoding or special sience calculations. And average gaming performance (but realy not bad)
Two negatives in my opinion are:
-not much overclocking headrom
-Windows 10 and BIOSes are not 100% ready yet and at some boards you can see after reflash the BIOS or cold start some bugs (6800/6900 Intel chips had the same issues at beginning). Windows 10 not ready means difference between Win7 performance and Win10 in some apliacations and games. Few guys tested it personally.
-and maybe complex unit, so simply for games PCs will be better Ryzen 4c/8t tjan 6c/8c/12t/16t as you will see soon

I think it's not a bad CPU either, I think it's somewhere between good and great even, but it's really sad to see that all realistic expectations go out the window when AMD is concerned. Yeah we all love an underdog, but their first outing in the high end CPU market was never going to be all plain sailing, which in a sense is good as well, because it will force them to continue working hard, which can only be a good thing.

I like Lisa Su, I think she's one of the best things that happened to AMD.

[kromosto]

No you can't possibly be right because AMD. FWIW, I did feel disappointed to see that where AMDs forte used to be in the good old times, they fell short.

The hype train was so incredible, it had to fall short in at least one regard or the other. A large majority of enthusiasts are very easily swayed by marketing and hype, something AMD is king in. Preordering on the assumption that the whole CPU was going to be incredible was just a foolish move. You should never preorder things before seeing the product and reviews.

Now I'm not saying Ryzen is a bad CPU, in fact, I think it's really good, and I'm very happy to see Intel getting a good kick up the butt. The problem, which I've said before is all realism goes out the window when AMD is mentioned on forums. Rose tinted glasses go on on almost all people and everyone forgets about all the shady marketing and mediocre products they've given in the past.

I like AMD, but I can take a step back and say, you know what, it's a great CPU, but I'll wait a bit before things stabilise before jumping on the bandwagon. And it's much the same with AMD in their graphics department. You buy nVidia, it's great out of the box, you buy AMD, well, in the end they get their act together but they leave much to be desired in hardware and software quality control.

Exactly my feelings.

Just like you I also think Ryzen is a good cpu but it disappointed me personally. Because I really wanted to buy AMD but it wont happen with these.

I stated several times here that I am an AMD fanboy. It wont matter to state something like this after when you know being a fanboy will not let you make bad decisions. I am still an AMD fanboy. I want to build an AMD rig. I also was very upset to go for a 980ti over my 7970 208x cfx and want to return back to AMD.

So I really want me to be wrong about game optimizationa. I really want but have no hope.

[vario]

I Dont get why people were disappointed.
For months we knew that overall ipc is going to be ~haswellish , we also knew that there are NO INDICATIONS its gonna clock like kaby lake, or even decent.
With that knowledge alone, how could someone think its gonna be "best in gaymz!"
BUT, its also not as bad as many reviews paint.
Most reviews were done with 2133mhz cas 15, that hurts ryzen alot, also amd still didnt figure out its cnq fully, so it should have been set at high performance in windows.Then theres the not optimized IMC part and SMT BUG.
All these shouldnt be a problem for any XS user .
And also, its not like it always trails intels.
There are many scores like these:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/sti...rhonor4CPU.png
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/prem...iana?page=0,12
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/prem...iana?page=0,18

What disappointed me, is not the silicon, but the rushed launch.Half baked bioses, weak ram support, people were getting 3ghz ram but were only able to run it at 2133, overall mobo quality.They needed like a month to have a solid launch.
Its sorta like 290X launch, great product.But why in the hell would you launch it in this state?!
I just hope that in R5 review bundles AMD will note that cpus should be tested at least at 2666mhz ram which is its official max value.And have oses with proper settings, and better ram support.

[Ket]

So many people keep missing the obvious.. I've said it, a few others have said it, so I'll now bullet point them in hopes they will sink in to any panicked individual that reads this so nobody has to keep repeating themselves.

1. Brand new platform and architecture, to expect everything to be perfect right off the bat is nothing short of delusional.
2. UEFIs are all essentially still in beta. Its going to take another month or two for UEFIs to reach any kind of small level of maturity.
3. Manufacturers and AMD are actively working right now on improving memory compatibility and performance. This likely includes adding and unlocking sub-timings which will improve current latency issues.
4. Microsoft are working on updates to fix Zen SMT on W10. Check Zen SMT on W7, works good there, it is a software issue.
5. As UEFIs and drivers mature things will also naturally get better.
6. Game updates to optimise for a brand new CPU / GPU architecture are almost always required. It should not come as any surprise or disappointment this also needs to be done for Zen.
7. Microcode updates might also improve Zen overclocking. As any experienced overclocker will tell you revised BIOS/UEFI code can have very different characteristics depending whats changed.
8. Core and thread count are rapidly becoming far more important than absolute speed. No sane person should worry about a bit lower IPC for the amount of extra cores / threads Zen will offer at the price AMD will offer it for compared to intel.
9. 1800X, and the 1700s need to be looked at from a relative performance standpoint IMO, in other words, compare them to other Octa or Hex cores, not Quads.

I'll now intentionally use a edited performance chart where the test system is running W10 for a more recent game that Zen isn't currently doing so well in to hopefully highlight that last point;



Now thats not so bad, is it?

Hopefully, everyone is now on the same page, has calmed themselves and realises like any other brand new shiny thing its going to take a little time for the maturity side of things to kick in.

[kromosto]

Game optimizations for new CPU? What is that?

You are refusing to see the obvious. This cpu is not bad but also not good enough to compete with intel. Admit it or not this was the last bullet of AMD for x86 cpu market and they just hit intel at left arm and left it with 6 bullet remaining in its revolver on its right hand (I am also left handed as AMD).

With this Ryzen AMD left a lot of opportunities to intel for making amd not to shoot again. Intel will not kill amd but will left it crippled for ever. We all know Intel can play very dirty without any hesitation or fear of punishment.

[justapost]

For W10 will come new update for better support of Ryzens CPU behavior in some scenarios. I heard, this update will be soon. But for interest I will test Ryzen at Win7 first ANd I would like to try XP also for SUperpi.

Great, I'm really interested in win7 results. Personaly I wait for apu's and will switch if these support Windows 7.

[vario]

Game optimizations for new CPU? What is that?

You are refusing to see the obvious. This cpu is not bad but also not good enough to compete with intel. Admit it or not this was the last bullet of AMD for x86 cpu market and they just hit intel at left arm and left it with 6 bullet remaining in its revolver on its right hand (I am also left handed as AMD).

With this Ryzen AMD left a lot of opportunities to intel for making amd not to shoot again. Intel will not kill amd but will left it crippled for ever. We all know Intel can play very dirty without any hesitation or fear of punishment.

Of course its good enough to compete with intel.
Newsflash, its not everything about ABSOLUTE PERFORMANCE of the highest end cpus.
Its about price to performance ratio.
AMD still has a lot to launch, whole R5 and R3 series, then there will be raven ridge apus (which will inevitably be better balanced than the intel counterparts for gaming).
If you only understand "Its not as fast in ST as kaby lake! and its also slower in MT than the 6950x!" you have a very bad perspective on this whole thing.
People were buying phenom II`s when the nehalem came out, people were even buying FX-s when sandybridge and ivybridge were out.
Ryzen is a much better alternative than both phenom X6 and FX.

[chew*]

As any experienced overclocker will tell you revised BIOS/UEFI code can have very different characteristics depending whats changed.

Any serious hardcore overclocker knows that for one gain there is a loss in doing so.

Higher cpu clock tuning tends to exhibit lower cpu scores.

Higher ram clocks tend to exhibit lower bandwidth

This is why you may see a cpu validation done on one brand and actual benchmarks on another brand by same overclocker.