[Various] AMD Ryzen Reviews (Official)

[dasa]

https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/20...-your-toughts/
2400 14-16-16 rest are at 16-16-16
~8% improvement not bad considering the sub timings get all nasty over 2400

https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/yl...1800x-1700x/#4

[NEOAethyr]

Here's a delid run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_-Q5QzRqg

[chew*]

We went through this with deneb/thuban 5 years ago.

We even chopped cpu pots to clear the socket and run on ln2...gains were pitiful.

We found an easy way to do it to. We machined the lids off. 100% survival rates that way.



We had it down to a science. Never bothered sharing it since it was an epic fail. Theres alot of stuff we did behind the scenes.

[StyM]

[chew*]

Someone who looks at the total aspect with reason like myself. I'm looking at the big picture not just gaming because that's what I need.

Like in his setup i'm running dual cards.

[ZenEffect]

fps scaling with memory is interesting. It would appear that the 2nd and 3rd timings are way too lax. hopefully those tuning options will be opened up in the near future as it could turn around the platform for gamers as well as educate them in what real tuning is about.

[AliG]

Someone who looks at the total aspect with reason like myself. I'm looking at the big picture not just gaming because that's what I need.

Like in his setup i'm running dual cards.

It seems the 1700 is rounding out to be a great bang for buck buy - assuming you use applications that utilize all 8 cores.

I don't think the average user would notice the gaming dropoff, but you would certainly feel the video encoding differences.

[chew*]

It seems the 1700 is rounding out to be a great bang for buck buy - assuming you use applications that utilize all 8 cores.

I don't think the average user would notice the gaming dropoff, but you would certainly feel the video encoding differences.

Yah he said for $500 and while he has to quote stock parts I don't and do not run stock. $329 sounds even better.

I have all 3 like I stated I reviewed the one I felt fit us the best.

I actually called AMD and told them that I was not going to recommend or review 1700x or 1800x. They said do as you please Brian. Wish all vendors responded like that.

[vario]

It seems the 1700 is rounding out to be a great bang for buck buy - assuming you use applications that utilize all 8 cores.

I don't think the average user would notice the gaming dropoff, but you would certainly feel the video encoding differences.

Truth is you need something along the lines of 1080 to see any differences.
But even then, people are most likely to just up the gfx settings , and you hit gfx ceiling again.
TBH i only see 2 groups of people that MAY need skip ryzen, competetive gamers that need constant 144fps, or SLI guys.
All this "gaming performance" difference boils down to using such settings most people doesnt use, and not optimizing ryzen rigs.
I mean with my 5820K i encode dvds and play games at the same time, and mostly its unnoticable.Ryzen is just going to be better at such things.
I only have one thing against ryzen, memory latency.Theres something just wrong there.But, just install 3200mhz cas 14 ,and the "issue" is like half solved.

[AliG]

Truth is you need something along the lines of 1080 to see any differences.
But even then, people are most likely to just up the gfx settings , and you hit gfx ceiling again.
TBH i only see 2 groups of people that MAY need skip ryzen, competetive gamers that need constant 144fps, or SLI guys.
All this "gaming performance" difference boils down to using such settings most people doesnt use, and not optimizing ryzen rigs.
I mean with my 5820K i encode dvds and play games at the same time, and mostly its unnoticable.Ryzen is just going to be better at such things.
I only have one thing against ryzen, memory latency.Theres something just wrong there.But, just install 3200mhz cas 14 ,and the "issue" is like half solved.

I want to see what Windows and bios optimizations bring to the table first. I really don't need to upgrade right now, but do like the idea of going octo-core.

If 3-4 months down the line we see the silicon has slightly improved and general optimizations are being made, I'll probably pull the trigger on a 1700. Otherwise, I really have no incentive to not wait on Cannon Lake/Zen+.

[chew*]

I want to see what Windows and bios optimizations bring to the table first. I really don't need to upgrade right now, but do like the idea of going octo-core.

If 3-4 months down the line we see the silicon has slightly improved and general optimizations are being made, I'll probably pull the trigger on a 1700. Otherwise, I really have no incentive to not wait on Cannon Lake/Zen+.

Least with AMD you know socket = same for at least 4 years.

[MattiasNYC]

TBH i only see 2 groups of people that MAY need skip ryzen, competetive gamers that need constant 144fps, or SLI guys.
All this "gaming performance" difference boils down to using such settings most people doesnt use, and not optimizing ryzen rigs.
I mean with my 5820K i encode dvds and play games at the same time, and mostly its unnoticable.Ryzen is just going to be better at such things.
I only have one thing against ryzen, memory latency.Theres something just wrong there.But, just install 3200mhz cas 14 ,and the "issue" is like half solved.

Well, for content creators of audio the latency issue can be an actual bottleneck in some cases, and for content creators of video the issue becomes that of the AM4 platform as a whole. More lanes, 256-bit AVX2 and Thunderbolt 3 may be hard to compete with, despite the price difference.

[AliG]

Least with AMD you know socket = same for at least 4 years.

lol Intel may give you 4 months - if you're lucky

[vario]

Well, for content creators of audio the latency issue can be an actual bottleneck in some cases, and for content creators of video the issue becomes that of the AM4 platform as a whole. More lanes, 256-bit AVX2 and Thunderbolt 3 may be hard to compete with, despite the price difference.

Well, it CAN be, but im pretty sure for most it wont be. But if someone really needs all the bells and whistles of full x99 platform with 6900K at least, yes, amd doesnt have competition and thats a bit disappointing, i was hoping for more pcie lanes coming from chipset, thats a segment they could do better. But maybe there will be workstation version of naples 1P, ive read about voltage/performance scaling of zen and 140W chip with with a abse clock around 3,5 and 16 cores should be feasible.It would bring 4 channel memory support also.
AVX2 is mostly a non issue , amd is able to do it albeit somewhat slower per clock than intel, but amd has more cores so it evens out.And where it is used exactly ?
Thunderbolt, arent there pcie cards for it ?

[MattiasNYC]

Well, again though, I'm referring not just to content creators, but to sub-sets of content creators. For audio it's a pretty darn narrow group.

For video/vfx however it's a bit of a different issue. I think the Thunderbolt issue has mostly "tradeoff" implications when it comes to running it off of PCIe. In other words, if you run it off of PCIe then that's one slot fewer, whereas if the platform has enough lanes and a built in interface you lose 'nothing'. And people doing video editing / color grading want to move from having to transcode media in order to work on it to working more closely to original/final resolution. In other words; there's a desire to film in 4k, edit and do vfx in 4k, and then output to 4k. Today many people are still capturing in 4k but then transcode to intermediate formats that are less taxing on the system and then do a final render at full quality. And so this requires a bunch of very fast video cards that eat up lanes, in conjunction with fast drives that also eat up resources.

My intention is to upgrade my system to one mainly for audio post and then start working on video a bit to see how it is and see if I want to branch out. So for me it is certainly a workable solution to use a Ryzen because it'll cover my audio needs and also allow me to begin doing video. But I think that if I was to end up doing video I would likely need an x99 system.

I too hope that AMD could churn out a chip that was more flexible in terms of workloads for workstations. I think right now that the 1800X is really impressive for the money, and so is the 1700 (which is probably what I'll get), but they do have some limitations in terms of tradeoffs. Naples might provide some added bonuses, like possibly performing really well in server farms for higher-end visual effects setups (think Avengers-level productions), and a workstation chip based on that might be very interesting indeed. The main question would be what speeds it would be able to run at.

[FlanK3r]

Look at this, still bad in Gaming? I dont think so...And as Brian said, gaming is not everything Maybe for "15 years old boys" (Im sorry for these sentence)

http://www.zolkorn.com/reviews/amd-r...-core-by-core/

[StyM]

[ZenEffect]

hmmm nobody benching the civ games? seems fishy as that is where ryzen should really shine.

[dasa]

hmmm nobody benching the civ games? seems fishy as that is where ryzen should really shine.

1 this one is interesting its showing a improvement to min fps from smt in a few games
http://www.techspot.com/review/1348-...g-performance/
2
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-...warhammer.html
3
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...jWZs3beC6n3gzg

[vario]

1 this one is interesting its showing a improvement to min fps from smt in a few games
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As for min cpu, im seeing this kinda thing

techspot review shows it too, seems like somewhat properly configured ryzen systems (give it fast memory!) have a tendency to more fluid performance, less variance.

[StyM]

[StyM]