Ryzen - Return of the Jedi

[Raiderman]

@chew*

ajc9988 from @notebookreveiw

Yeah, I think he misread my post on the ryzen master. I was saying nevermind because the information originated from him, not because it didn't work. What brought it up was him talking of being tired and trying many different BIOS versions. I, too, was tired, hence not realizing my source of that information was him in the second post. A lot of miscommunication there (with me misreading causing the issue to begin with).

As to his abilities, I meant no offense. Thought I was addressing something he hadn't seen, not commenting on ability. I've seen his name floated places before and his reputation and regard with the overclocking community. So, please convey I meant no offense, just a miscommunication.

Edit:

Since I'm waiting for a binned chip, could you ask him to confirm the following info someone posted:


Well It turns out, its windows dault for the low performance!!!

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each zen thread is being registered as an individual core with its own L2 and L3 cache. i.e. totaling 136 MB cache!!. this is using Windows Sysinternals. This explains the SMT troubles in the event that a thread bounced to a HT thinking its the real deal.

Compare VS Intel

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[chew*]

I look into it. This might explain a couple other weird issues.

[Gorod]

chew* Thank you for testing Ryzen 1700 ! Time Spy physics score looking good , 4267MHz @ 9288 If you have time please show Fire Strike physics score with maximum overclock Thank you

[Andi64]

Hi Chew*

Quick question. Can you disable cores on UEFI? Or that option is not available yet?

[chew*]

Yes down to 1 iirc lots of even combos

actually 2 my bad.



Picked up some supplies from microcenter. Hopefully this stack of 5 hard drives is enough for now. Off to bed. need rest got a long drive early AM to beat traffic.

[FlanK3r]

only 160 GB? (why 5x 160GB HDDs??)

I hope, you dont change trackball for a mouse

[vario]

Did anybody did SMT off overclocking ? Any difference ?

[Nelly]

F3F Bios for the Gigabyte X370 Aorus Gaming 5 is available to download at the bottom of this review page >> https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...orus_review/16

F3F Bios link >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i50bnuajzw...ming5.F3f?dl=0

[chew*]

only 160 GB? (why 5x 160GB HDDs??)

I hope, you dont change trackball for a mouse

For testing only benching only. Cheaper the better

[Raiderman]

lol, looks like the ole trackball has been replaced

[chew*]

Needed ps2 for something

[chew*]

F3F Bios for the Gigabyte X370 Aorus Gaming 5 is available to download at the bottom of this review page >> https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...orus_review/16

F3F Bios link >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i50bnuajzw...ming5.F3f?dl=0

F3f is old has base AMD agesa .
Despite date f3 is newer, f3n is newer.

F5c is newest with a change that did not work so can possibly cause an issue F5b is probably the safest and newest.

F3f was reviewers bios fyi.

I ditched it for publically available F3 for review.

F3n boots easier with certain modules

Bios after base agesa will have better effeciency

[Aaronage]

Trying to track down these mythical AX370 Gaming 5 BIOS releases!

Gigabyte's website only offers the F3 BIOS at the moment - does anyone know where the other releases can be found?

[chew*]

Ill ask if i can release tonight weekend they (HQ taiwan) were not responding.

They exist only in my emails

They are not magical btw so your not missing out on anything. As for mythical.

[StAndrew]

Ill ask if i can release tonight weekend they (HQ taiwan) were not responding.

They exist only in my emails

They are not magical btw so your not missing out on anything. As for mythical.

Nice! What are your temps (cooling?)? 1.56V is about .16 more volts than I ever want to see

[chew*]

40c idle cold air. Not sure i want to know what load was...
Keep in mind at 1.475 normal ambient i was seeing 60c idle with 1800x.

I am not afraid to find the breaking point. Its actually kind of the goal. Can it be broken and at what point. Dont know till you try.

Think the giga requires more volts to do xx frequency. It seems a tad more effec however. Thats a realistic outcome of that combination.

Or my chips just suck. @1.4 your looking at 3.9 1700,3.8 1700x, 3.9 1800x on my chips.

Then again i ran prime plus multiple threaded apps. I know im stable @ x volts x speeds

Lucky for me voltage is my friend

[ZenEffect]

Ill ask if i can release tonight weekend they (HQ taiwan) were not responding.

They exist only in my emails

They are not magical btw so your not missing out on anything. As for mythical.

6179 target beat. nice job!

[chew*]

Please do not pm for beta bios. The answer in pm is same here.

HQ gives ok i share. HQ says no i dont. If they saw no...likely a good reason..like killing hardware.

If I violate there trust. They dont work with me. I dont help to fix issues anymore. Domino effect ends up hurting community....want a good product with good bios support? Play by the rules

[chew*]

F5c approved. Gaming 5 only....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6A...ew?usp=sharing

[Aaronage]

F5c approved. Gaming 5 only....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6A...ew?usp=sharing

Thanks for sorting that with Gigabyte, appreciate it

[chew*]

Thanks for sorting that with Gigabyte, appreciate it

Np just need to be patient, giga does not work weekends and I need to be on Taiwan time to communicate with them and on eastern standard time so I usually have to sacrifice some sleep to do so.

[chew*]

New workaround for SMT disabled core 0 bug with 1700 non X cpu.

CPU ratio AUTO
Set everything else in bios as you would normally including voltages required for your known stable target cpu clock.
Boot. Once on desktop open Ryzen Master. set all core multi to desired frequency. verify all cores is cpu-z are at target frequency.
Yes I know this is annoying but it works for now till we can fix it via multiplier from bios.
It will not be adjustable via ryzen master with a manual 40x multi.


This may work for other manufacturers, since I am not hands on yet obviously I can not confirm but some problems I have confirmed with others to be platform and not vendor specific.

[techtrancer]

Silicon Lottery:

Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
70% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.360V CPU VCORE (Or less)
77% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.392V CPU VCORE (Or less)
33% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.424V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1800X
97% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
67% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.1GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

[chew*]

Silicon Lottery:

Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
70% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.360V CPU VCORE (Or less)
77% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.392V CPU VCORE (Or less)
33% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.424V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1800X
97% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
67% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.1GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Preety much around my findings. My 1700x is the worst chip. Impossible for 4gig stable on it.

Whats there definition of reach? it boots?

[techtrancer]

Think all Core, but don't know
And don't know How Silicon Lottery test them
Your Chip is preselected from AMD and the Chip's from Silicon Lottery are normal one
I think your can not compare with normal one

Long Time ago i bought 5 used Brisbane
Don't know before that they were Review samples
All of them scales better on v-Core than other Brisbane on hwbot