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    I like my 4k wasabi mango uhd400.
    It's not perfect, but I find it satisfactory .

    Right now with the us market, and likely the eu market, alot of the 4k's will be the 1st gen.
    The supposed final ver is uhd ver's of 4k, 10bit and beyond. (Edit: I mean hdr, not uhd, I got a darn cold and can't think straight)
    The media format is almost non-existent though, not much for 4k or 4k+10bit, lots of Japanese bdr 1080p 10bit though, not actually sure if those rips were from a 10bit disk or not though.
    The os ui's aren't ready for it btw, in windows for example you have to switch out of dwm mode or whatever it's called, no aero, win8-10 there is no aero anyways...
    But if I remember right it needs full screen anyways, I couldn't get it to work, just haven't been using windows enough to care.
    Mac I think wasn't prepared for it at all, and Linux, well, it's a mess, you can force it, and see all the little bugs that come with that.
    The prob is transparencies.

    4k is nice, even for casual use (after you adjust everything...).
    But I don't recommend one with a tuner for sure, the lag is bad enough with the va/ips panels and the res/screen size.
    My plan was to make my own tuner box out of a pi, pi3 for now, later on one that does hardware 4k playback and can handle a 4k desktop.
    A easycap capture stick, and maybe someday a usb stick that does us digital tv if I can find one (I got one for eu sat, and that's useful for sdr, but it's not tv...).

    Vga though, this 680 mine doesn't care for 4k.
    I hope volta comes out soon, I was hoping to use my tax returns on that and maybe an impact wrench and a few other odds and ends if possible.
    I haven't even played through gta5 yet because I've been waiting on maxing it out on 1080p, and now it's 4k lol.



    Anyways, intel...
    The reason why we haven't gotten the bigger core counts is because in terms of clocks you know it wouldn't satisfy some.
    Say there's a 4ghz 6core, 2-3 years later or so then there's an 8 core at the same speed.
    It's not that they can't give those cores, it's just that they apparently feel that it's not ready yet.
    That and at least a slight lack of competition and actual demand for anything over 4 cores for the mainstream.
    Content creators are considered professionals for ex.
    And so are peeps that tend to buy the xeon's...
    The only reason why 4 cores are no longer going to be top mainstream is because things like content creation have become more mainstream.
    People need to beable to game, and encode or stream at the same time.
    That and you know, they've been around forever now, quad cores.
    There's a point were if you can get the same clocks you used to get on the quad, you might as well give them more cores, as long as it fits in tdp.


    As for the ext's...
    My 4930k has what I want and the stuff I don't it doesn't have, no remote admin.
    I found it odd that the 4960x was missing virtualization instructions :\.
    At least that was specs were back then...
    That sorta stuff I don't agree with... sure
    And I don't like artificial limits either, with multiplier locks and such.

    Regardless, amd has made it so it's not 6 cores, it's 8 cores that's now the mainstream to go on.
    Intel will charge $1000 still for there top end.
    But it's likely now you'll see 8 cores at the 500 range and 10 cores at the 1000 range.
    You would of seen that anyways but now it could get more interesting maybe.

    Anyways don't take this and an endorsement for intel.
    I'm all for amd taking a lead somewhere.
    I spent a ton of money on my intel rig, much more then any amd rig I wuld of put together, and the reason was because I saw no benefit to upgrading to an amd from what I had, a 1090t.
    There would of been a benefit, but not enough for me to justify, I wanted to hand my rig down, and I needed something with more power behind it to do things that the amd couldn't.
    At least finally, now there's a upgrade path on the amd side ^^.
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    AMD will be competitive again.... I honestly thought this day would never come.

    All of the AMD fans have waited years for this. However, there is no way in hell I can afford a $300+ cpu. $500 for 1800X... yeah I'll get right on that.

    Well hopefully down the road when it's time for an upgrade the price will be lower.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JAWS View Post
    However, there is no way in hell I can afford a $300+ cpu. $500 for 1800X... yeah I'll get right on that.

    Well hopefully down the road when it's time for an upgrade the price will be lower.
    That is exactly my point, maximum to pay for a cpu is $300 and is what I expected the 1700 to be and is $29 more. It still fits my criteria when I round the number up.

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    Woah note that 1600X performance and speed: +69% over 7600k, and is clocked at 3.6/4.0 GHz!!

    I think that's an indication we may see quadcores clocked above 4 GHz (all previous leaks noted 3.3/3.7 GHz).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
    Woah note that 1600X performance and speed: +69% over 7600k, and is clocked at 3.6/4.0 GHz!!

    I think that's an indication we may see quadcores clocked above 4 GHz (all previous leaks noted 3.3/3.7 GHz).
    Well, if theyre using the same dies ,and both 8 and 6 core top out at 4ghz .I dont really see it.
    Only way i see it is if they are using separate die for 4 cores.

    Also, this could be just another AMD "slide error"
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    Quote Originally Posted by vario View Post
    Well, if theyre using the same dies ,and both 8 and 6 core top out at 4ghz .I dont really see it.
    Only way i see it is if they are using separate die for 4 cores.

    Also, this could be just another AMD "slide error"
    You gotta think of it from a binning perspective. Cutdown 6-core = it failed the transistor leakage requirement for 8-core.

    If they managed to squeeze out extra clocks inspite of the worse leakage, I think that's actually promising that a quadcore could clock above 4 GHz. But I agree, my assumption is quadcore = native chip from the diagram posted earlier.
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    Already got my board ordered, Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 Auros. Why not a Asrock board I'm sure some of you are wondering, well quite simply the Asrock board designs are fugly, but mainly because from what I've seen someone at Asrock is losing the plot. ?145 for a X370 "killer" board, that has a "last gen" ALC892 CODEC, no power or reset buttons on the board (not a deal breaker IMO) but what disgusted me most of all is that for ?145 you aren't even getting a debug LED. If all that wasn't bad enough the "killer" board is pretty much the best looking Asrock have and someone decided to nerf it like this. Rest assured, when I'm done reviewing the Gigabyte board I'll be contacting my Asrock buddies to try and find out exactly who has entered meltdown for their AM4 boards to be so far behind everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ket View Post
    Already got my board ordered, Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 Auros. Why not a Asrock board I'm sure some of you are wondering, well quite simply the Asrock board designs are fugly, but mainly because from what I've seen someone at Asrock is losing the plot. ?145 for a X370 "killer" board, that has a "last gen" ALC892 CODEC, no power or reset buttons on the board (not a deal breaker IMO) but what disgusted me most of all is that for ?145 you aren't even getting a debug LED. If all that wasn't bad enough the "killer" board is pretty much the best looking Asrock have and someone decided to nerf it like this. Rest assured, when I'm done reviewing the Gigabyte board I'll be contacting my Asrock buddies to try and find out exactly who has entered meltdown for their AM4 boards to be so far behind everyone else.
    Well the Tai chi board looks good to me, and has everything i need mostly and even more, although it shouldnt cost so much.
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    I've never cared for Asrock boards myself. Used a couple of them, and they both were just 'ok' - much preferred my Gigabyte or MSI boards.

    Haven't played with an Asus board for years after I got a bad board that they then refused to warranty because "it passed testing" and blamed everything else (RAM, CPU, anything), even though the only thing that actually fixed the PC was none of those things but a new board (by another manufacturer). Shame, because one of my all-time favorite boards was an Asus board, A8R32-MVP Deluxe back from old days. Yep, I still remember the model number lol.
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    The taichi and fatality both do not look to bad. Fataility says sli so probably has a chip.

    Both look like solidly built power delivery.

    The msi looks really good although the mix of solidstate and electrolytic caps could be good or bad...

    Power input wise it offers the most...of course implementation does not make a board good by itself.

    The ASUS looks solid but to much voltron....

    The gigabyte looks a tad sparse at first glance.

    The rest look uninteresting
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    this looks sick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vario View Post
    Well the Tai chi board looks good to me, and has everything i need mostly and even more, although it shouldnt cost so much.
    Agreed. I could only find it at 224, which is far too much for what it is. The design of the board also broke my brain, as the son of a watch maker / clock maker the wheel design printed on the board is totally retarded. No watch or clock would EVER go with wheels like that trying to mesh together.

    Quote Originally Posted by chew* View Post
    The taichi and fatality both do not look to bad. Fataility says sli so probably has a chip.

    Both look like solidly built power delivery.

    The msi looks really good although the mix of solidstate and electrolytic caps could be good or bad...

    Power input wise it offers the most...of course implementation does not make a board good by itself.

    The ASUS looks solid but to much voltron....

    The gigabyte looks a tad sparse at first glance.

    The rest look uninteresting
    Auros 5 isn't bad at all, actually offers everything the other boards are really. Only thing its "lacking" (or looks to be) is a extra M.2 slot but the only boards I've seen offering more than one M.2 slot are the Asrock boards.. which makes it all the more a shame that the Asrock boards are offering so little for their price as the extra M.2 would of been nice.

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    this looks sick...
    I like my boards without christmas lights :p Needless to say, the LED lights on the Auros 5 will never see use outside of for review purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    I've never cared for Asrock boards myself. Used a couple of them, and they both were just 'ok' - much preferred my Gigabyte or MSI boards.

    Haven't played with an Asus board for years after I got a bad board that they then refused to warranty because "it passed testing" and blamed everything else (RAM, CPU, anything), even though the only thing that actually fixed the PC was none of those things but a new board (by another manufacturer). Shame, because one of my all-time favorite boards was an Asus board, A8R32-MVP Deluxe back from old days. Yep, I still remember the model number lol.
    Asrock turned a big corner when I helped them back with Z68 / Z77 but it looks like they have taken 3 steps back again since then. It is absolutely not ok to not offer basics like power and reset buttons, a debug LED, or even the latest on-board audio with a price of 145 on a top tier X370 board. You would expect corner cutting to happen in this regard on something like a B350 with a price of 100 or so, but not 145. It hurts to say it, but it won't stop me from being objective, for the same price or a little more if you want something more flashy (literally with pretty much all manufacturers getting a hardon for poxy christmas lights on their X370 offerings) you can get something noticeably superior.
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    Nobody seems to be talking about what heatsinks they're going to use to cool these chips they're ordering. The 1700X and 1800X are WOF SKUs and do not come with anything. Noctua seems to be the only company to market so far with anything AM4 compatible. Cryorg announced upgrade kits, but you can't buy them anywhere. Who knows when they start shipping them if you ask for a free one with proof of purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    Nobody seems to be talking about what heatsinks they're going to use to cool these chips they're ordering. The 1700X and 1800X are WOF SKUs and do not come with anything. Noctua seems to be the only company to market so far with anything AM4 compatible. Cryorg announced upgrade kits, but you can't buy them anywhere. Who knows when they start shipping them if you ask for a free one with proof of purchase.
    1700x and 1800x have two versions with and without cooler.
    Much more companies have announced kits
    And AM4 IS compatible with AMD heatsinks that do not need backplate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vario View Post
    1700x and 1800x have two versions with and without cooler.
    Much more companies have announced kits
    And AM4 IS compatible with AMD heatsinks that do not need backplate.
    All preorder 1700X and 1800X SKUs I've seen are WOF. There may be versions with heatsinks slated for the future, but that isn't what people are buying right now.

    As for heatsink compatibility, do you have a source for that? We were initially told that AM4 would be compatible with AM3 thermal solutions only to later be told that was incorrect. No exception for tab mounted heatsinks has been mentioned anywhere that I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    All preorder 1700X and 1800X SKUs I've seen are WOF. There may be versions with heatsinks slated for the future, but that isn't what people are buying right now.

    As for heatsink compatibility, do you have a source for that? We were initially told that AM4 would be compatible with AM3 thermal solutions only to later be told that was incorrect. No exception for tab mounted heatsinks has been mentioned anywhere that I've seen.
    https://cenowarka.pl/amd-ryzen-7-170...set#filterform
    I can preorder box version.
    EDIT, my bad thats not the X version.
    As for the mounting, thats what i read sometime ago, ofcourse i cant verify that now
    There is also available ryzen with corsair hydro.

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...compatibility/
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    I'll more than likely be taking my dremel to a few existing brackets my Seidon 120 came with. Cooler master apparently are going to offer AM4 brackets for a lot of their stuff... but they won't ship until March 1st. Hardly very bloody useful to everyone preordering I do have one of their AM4 brackets ordered.. don't know if it will fit my Seidon 120 but looks like it'll be at least useful for modding purposes if the brackets I already have turn out to not be any use. No way I'll be paying ?80-90 quid for a AIO cooler, they were about right at ?50 for 120mm but the current scam merchant prices for 120mm AIOs are a utter ripoff.

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    I don't think theres anything too bad about 490 for a 1800X, its just more than I would spend on a CPU. I think the general thinking is that considering CPUs have way, WAY less transistors in them compared to a GPU that they should be a lot cheaper. I can see the reasoning in that, and if AMD didn't have the necessity of having to recover as much money and market share as possible we might of seen a 1800X for the price of a 1700 but thats just not how it is. Couple years maybe it will, that all depends on how AMD do in the ensuing time period.

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