Yeah but the development costs of CPUs significantly higher. Vector processors are relatively simple arithmetic machines; CPUs have crazy complex schedulers to divide up the compute logic and handle a large diversity of incoming tasks.
Indeed, the argument for most though is that "well theres less in it (physical stuff, transistors and such) why is it so much?" That argument is both correct and incorrect, yes the CPU is "simple", compared to say a GPU, but as you rightly say, and not many realise, it still has some massively complicated stuff going on inside it. Its that complexity that increases the price, in turn however competition pushes down prices and pushes up innovation, so imo ultimately people do get what they want through competition it just doesn't happen immediately like most people expect it to these days
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Complexity in the end is what drives up cost. It's relatively simple to ramp up production if you already have the manufacturing faculties (not to say it isn't cheap to build the infrastructure).
The real cost in CPU develop comes from R&D. Silicon is extremely cheap; paying 10,000 engineers 5 years to develop a means of processing computation tasks is extremely expensive.
Thats pretty much the point I was making. Competition drives innovation and ways to do the same thing better or cheaper. Without competition you sit on your arse and stagnate, as intel have done for the last 7 years or so. Even sitting with a 3570k I have really never felt left behind and even if my 2500k hadn't died for no reason I still wouldn't feel left behind. Intels progress has been that slow without competition, they were happy to just milk whoever they could. A practice I've always despised, anyone should always strive to progress not shove their thumbs up their arses and just sit there until they absolutely have to do something.
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I hate all the damn lights on boards, get rid of them, pass the saving to the consumer or do something useful with the saved change by adding a extra one or two phases. Anything thats actually useful. LED lights are not useful
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Options peripherals RGB. OFF!!!
Problem solved.
Disco lights and plastic or metal covers that trap heat around PWM are direct effects of input or the lack of input or constructive critisism for fear of losing support.
Luckily you can remove it easily.
I have said it before. If your not a part of the solution your part of the problem...
Last edited by chew*; 02-24-2017 at 07:51 AM.
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Yeah, but LEDs don't actually add that much cost. Power circuitry costs a lot more than a few LEDs.
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I am really impressed with the way AMD is engaging reviewers this time around.
You knew BD would be a flop from all the secrecy they had, and lack of public engagement prior to launch. Ryzen has been the absolute opposite - an I honestly can't wait to see what an overclocked 1700 can do for the average gamer.
Intel was pretty aggressive with CPU updates up through Nehalem (and arguably Sandy Bridge). Even if AMD follows the same pattern, they aren't finished yet.
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Sandy Bridge was their last major innovation imo, there's a lot of us out there still running 2500k/2600k/2700k lol.
These things tend to be cyclical. Cannon Lake seems to be of the mold of Kaby Lake, i.e. higher clocks and more GPU processing power. It'll probably take until their next major architecture for them to put their foot down - but I'm excited to see how AMD then responds with Zen+.
Regardless of how the future goes down, Zen was a much needed breath of fresh air for gamers and enthusiasts.
Yeah, I'm still rocking my 2600k lol.
My server runs an old i7-860... dang that thing is actually pretty slow and power hungry for what it is these days, and for what it gets used for I really could just throw a cheap low power dual core in there...
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Last edited by StyM; 02-27-2017 at 05:28 PM.
8 x 6 cores, apples to oranges. Can't we have a 8 x 8 core, same frequency benchs.
it's not about cores, it's about price...
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