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    Need help getting F4-4133C19D-16GTZKW stable

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    Hardware:

    i7 6700K, overclocked to 4.7GHz 100% stable in Prime, x264, etc etc etc
    ASRock Z170 Extreme7+ (memory max speed is 3866 with 1 stick, 3600 with 2 sticks)
    GSkill F4-4133C19D-16GTZKW memory

    edit:
    voltages:
    RAM voltage: 1.4
    VCCIO 1.25 (max my board will allow)
    VCCSA: 1.35v (max my board will allow and also what auto defaults to for any RAM running at 3200 and higher speeds on the board)


    So I have had the memory for 5-6 months now and had problems from day 1. I managed to get the RAM stable at 3200MHz, and it can even be stable at 3300MHz. The problem is, any higher than 3300 and the system will fail to post more than half the time. However, when the system does post it is 100% stable in all tests every single time. No issues whatsoever. This leads me to believe the problem is more of a training and bios setting auto values issue than an actual stability problem with the memory.
    I just recently got a 2nd kit of the memory because I needed some more RAM. Unfortunately, I have found that I cannot get the system to post even once with all 4 sticks installed. Even with a cleared cmos, even with manually set speed of 2133MHz. So that is where I am now. I am not trying to get these to run at 4133 speeds, I realize that is not a possibility on this motherboard. I got the memory because I wanted to try to see how high I could get it and also to "grow into it" with my next motherboard. I had gotten a deal on it at the time for $160. Anyway. I am really trying to get these 4 sticks stable at only 3400 or maybe 3600 at best. heck Id even settle for 3200 with all 4 sticks. I have read every forum thread and random post I could find about overclocking memory at these higher speeds and mixing kits even of the same exact ones rather than buying a 4 stick binned kit, and all that stuff. Still stuck and would really like some suggestions and help with some ideas to try and get these stable.


    Some of the things I have tried:

    On HWBot forum there is a nice informative thread about many of the common issues trying to run high memory speeds. The first point in the thread talks about stability at 3600 and above. In it, the person says TRDWR_sg TRDWR_dg and TRDWR_dr + TRDWR_dd need to be set the same as CAS Latency when going 3600+ speeds. I have tried this, however the system will not post at all even down at 2133 speeds when I do this trick. This leads me to believe setting TRDWR_sg TRDWR_dg and TRDWR_dr + TRDWR_dd to 19 is invalid for either these sticks or this motherboard.

    Further down it is mentioned that some sticks need to have TRDWR_sg TRDWR_dg and TRDWR_dr + TRDWR_dd set as high as 21 to reach higher speed stability. I tried this as well and it also results in no post no matter what speed.





    These is the SPD dump for the RAM:

    Code:
    Prepared by Thaiphoon Burner Super Blaster ------------------------------------------------------------- MEMORY MODULE ------------------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer : G.Skill Part Number : F4-4133C19-8GTZKW Serial Number : 00000000 JEDEC DIMM Label : 8GB 1Rx8 PC4-2133-UA1-11 Architecture : DDR4 SDRAM UDIMM Speed Grade : DDR4-2133 Capacity : 8192 MB (8 components) Organization : 1024M x64 (1 rank) Register Manufacturer : N/A Register Model : N/A Manufacturing Date : Undefined Manufacturing Location : Taipei, Taiwan Revision / Raw Card : 0000h / A1 (8 layers) ------------------------------------------------------------- DRAM COMPONENTS ------------------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer : Samsung Part Number : K4A8G085WB-BCPB Package : Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA Die Density / Die Count : 8 Gb - 20 nm / 1 die Composition : 1024M x8 (64M x8 x 16 banks) Clock Frequency : 1067 MHz (0.938 ns) Minimum Timing Delays : 15-15-15-36-50 Read Latencies Supported : 16T, 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T, 11T, 10T Supply Voltage : 1.20 V XMP Certified : 2070 MHz / 19-21-21-41-62 / 1.35 V XMP Extreme : Not programmed SPD Revision : 1.1 / September 2015 XMP Revision : 2.0 / December 2013 ------------------------------------------------------------- THERMAL SENSOR ------------------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer : Giantec Model : GT34TS04 Revision : 01h Sensor Status : Enabled EVENT Output Control : Disabled Temperature Accuracy : B-Grade Temperature Resolution : 0.2500?C Current Temperature : 32.250?C Negative Measurements : Supported Interrupt Capability : Supported ------------------------------------------------------------- SOURCE SPD DUMP ------------------------------------------------------------- 000 23 11 0C 02 85 21 00 08 00 60 00 03 01 03 00 00 010 00 00 08 0D F8 03 00 00 6E 6E 6E 11 08 76 F0 0A 020 20 08 00 05 00 A8 1E 2B 2E 00 78 00 14 3C 00 00 030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 16 36 16 36 040 16 36 16 36 00 00 16 36 16 36 16 36 16 36 00 00 050 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 060 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 070 00 00 00 00 00 83 B5 CE 00 00 00 00 E7 C2 2D 24 080 11 11 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 090 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1C A0 100 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 110 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 120 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 130 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 140 04 CD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 46 34 2D 34 31 33 33 150 43 31 39 2D 38 47 54 5A 4B 57 00 00 00 00 80 CE 160 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 170 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 8E CF 180 0C 4A 05 20 00 00 00 00 00 A3 00 00 04 00 10 00 190 00 49 51 51 00 9E EF F0 0A 20 08 00 05 00 C0 1C 1A0 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B9 EE EE CC EF 1B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

    I am not really well versed in the whole Samsung D-die, E-die, etc but it looks like these are B-die chips?




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    Your memory should have XMP profile that should work on that platform no problem.

    Digging through your mystic scribblings I have faced with an obvious question, what voltage are your running on your memory?

    You can try 1.5v for XMP profile just to confirm your system posts and runs. win7 has built in memory test at post.
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    Yes this kit is good (may be Samsung B - Die IC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FUGGER View Post
    Your memory should have XMP profile that should work on that platform no problem.

    Digging through your mystic scribblings I have faced with an obvious question, what voltage are your running on your memory?

    You can try 1.5v for XMP profile just to confirm your system posts and runs. win7 has built in memory test at post.

    I typically have used 1.4v with the memory because it is rated for 1.35v at 4133 speeds, but have tried up to 1.45v and still couldn't get it working. I will try 1.5v and see how that does.
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    16GB of Team Xtreme DDR-2666 RAM (11-13-13-35-2T)
    Nvidia GTX 670 4GB SLI

    Rig 2:
    Asus Sabertooth 990FX
    AMD FX-8350 @ 5.6GHz
    16GB of Mushkin DDR-1866 RAM (8-9-8-26-1T)
    AMD 6950 with 6970 bios flash

    Yamakasi Catleap 2B overclocked to 120Hz refresh rate
    Audio-GD FUN DAC unit w/ AD797BRZ opamps
    Sennheiser PC350 headset w/ hero mod

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    I had 4 x 8GB sticks and it was as Fugger mentioned, voltage needed to be at a certain number and then the XMP profile worked perfectly. What I did was get all sticks running at at much lower than rated at and when that booted without issue dialed in the XMP profile and upped the voltage and never look back.
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