The enthusiast platform chips overclock as well (or better thanks to soldered IHS) as the mainstream ones.
The enthusiast platform chips overclock as well (or better thanks to soldered IHS) as the mainstream ones.
Exactly this. Also, at least for premiere, the GPU speeds up certain plugins and video effects. The one major benefit is the lack of having to transcode or instant transcode with GPU acceleration (as mentioned above) and being able to drag and drop footage and play with it immediately (no rendering). For many years, at least for premiere, it was CUDA exclusive for gpu acceleration. Then a few years back its been opened up to OPENCL w/ AMD cards...No progress really has been made because of this.
The newest versions of Premiere Pro are extremely heavy on threading and will make use of all available cores/threads. The GPU acceleration with Premiere performance/load is decided first by the CPU's since the CPU's have to decode the data before the GPU's can process it. This means the CPU's drive/feed your GPU's and if they are slower in feeding (less threads, slower clocks) the data then far more of the GPU processing capability sits idle. This is why I want an 8-core Intel CPU.
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sorry for double post, ahem, but back on topic. Price list for the HW-E
Supposedly they're marked up 10%+ so retail should be cheaper.
Core i7-4820K 4 / 8 3.7 / 3.9 GHz 10 MB DDR3-1866 130W $323
Core i7-5820K 6 / 12 3.3 GHz 15 MB DDR4-2133 140W $420
Core i7-4930K 6 / 12 3.4 / 3.9 GHz 12 MB DDR3-1866 130W $583
Core i7-5930K 6 / 12 3.5 GHz 15 MB DDR4-2133 140W $630
Core i7-4960X 6 / 12 3.6 / 4 GHz 15 MB DDR3-1866 130W $999
Core i7-5960X 8 / 16 3 GHz 20 MB DDR4-2133 140W $1100
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OK, I'll bite. I haven't been following the high-end recently as an end-user, as the -E parts were well out of my price range. But I'll ask the obvious question for this forum as someone without overclocking experience on these -E chips - how overclockable are these processors generally compared to the mainstream parts? A $200 difference for 0.2GHz premium all other things being equal seems crazy - surely the middle chip there (i7-5930K) with apparently identical specs is almost unnecessary if there's headroom on the lowest (i7-5820K) with decent cooling? Or is there more cut out on the lowest chip than this quick list shows?
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That makes more sense. Given I'm not a gamer, and am more interested in PCI-e lanes for extra storage bandwidth than filling slots with tri/sli setups, but still want the cores and onboard cache for transcoding etc., this makes the lowest chip there very interesting if there's a good overclock possible and means (for me) it's not worth wasting that extra $200.
I've built dual-socket systems 3 times for gaming. The first was in 2002 or so (build cost was about $5k), the second in 2006, and the third in 2010(SR-2).
They all worked great as workstations, but as a gaming platform they had major limitations.
As those types of boards use chipsets that are targeted as high-end workstation and servers they don't always play nice with your gamer equipment. Stuff like gaming video cards and that high end sound card you bought may not work "quite right". You may have random problems ranging from a BSOD to stuff just not working at all.
When I went with the SR-2 rig my primary decision maker was that I love to run multiple VMs simultaneously (and do WCG crunching). All of those machines worked very well for that application. But for gaming it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Diablo 3 has always had a weird bug where my video frames would display out of sequence. Other games had problems that were intermittent and impossible to isolate. Why was this? Because of the data paths being used between different CPUs in relation to the PCIe lanes.
So while it sound great in practice, in reality you are better off buying one of those single CPU boards and a 6c/12t CPU and boasting about it. I actually traded my SR-2 for a 6c/12t system a few months ago because I got tired of not being able to game like I want.
Boasting about a 6-core CPU...
It depends on how the board is implemented. The SR-2 uses PCI-E bridge chips and from what I understand doesn't properly allocate the PCI-E lanes from both CPUs, using the lanes from one CPU with the bridge chip and ignoring the lanes from the second CPU, resulting in an outcome that's somewhat less than ideal and that may have been the source of your issues. Before building my little putt-putt gaming system, I used my HP ProLiant ML370 G6 for server/workstation AND gaming duties...and it performed flawlessly, and even I even ran SLi GeForce GTX 690s in it for a while (with the SLi Patch of course). It's still going strong today, although strictly as a server. Dual CPU systems can game and game quite well, as well as do things that single CPU systems can only dream about.
Not all enthusiasts here are 100% gamers and some actually do things with their computers other than game. It's becomes old when people constantly say unlocked CPUs with high core counts aren't needed by enthusiasts, that they are a waste of time, etc because they personally don't have a use for them (or more likely can't afford them). Many enthusiasts use their computers for tasks that would benefit immensely with an unlocked high core count CPU, and even with two of them in a dual CPU system. I'm personally desperate for such a chip and would gladly pay a king's ransom for a pair of them. If the new 18-core CPU is actually unlocked as has been rumored, I'll be buying three of them for my own personal use.
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Thanks for the help (or lack thereof) in resolving my P3700 issue, FUGGER...
Tom's has an article with estimated US pricing for you US folks, based on Dutch pre-order listings - USD ~$400 for the 5820K, ~$600 for the 5930K, and ~$1,000 for the 5960X.
Rig specs
CPU: i7 5960X Mobo: Asus X99 Deluxe RAM: 4x4GB G.Skill DDR4-2400 CAS-15 VGA: 2x eVGA GTX680 Superclock PSU: Corsair AX1200
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Hours from release, I seen a doc that said that these CPUS are available August 2014.
Intel 9990XE @ 5.1Ghz
ASUS Rampage VI Extreme Omega
GTX 2080 ti Galax Hall of Fame
64GB Galax Hall of Fame
Intel Optane
Platimax 1245W
Intel 3175X
Asus Dominus Extreme
GRX 1080ti Galax Hall of Fame
96GB Patriot Steel
Intel Optane 900P RAID
will let you folks with deep pockets to buy and post results of your thoughts on the 8 core monster. Isn't there another 8 core version thats a bit cheaper coming out later?
Australian pricing - I'm surprised, we usually have more of a premium added on than this.
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Maybe some of you would be interested in this:
http://ark.intel.com/products/83356/...Cache-2_40-GHz
Socket FCLGA2011-3
8 cores
20 Mb cache
2.4 GHz
3.2 GHz turbo (1 or 2 cores probably)
~660 USD
Close to the $590 they ask for the 5930K, no overclocking though.
If you're after a monster Xeon, why not go for one of these?
http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/...Cache-2_30-GHz
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Intel Core i7-2600K (SLB8W, E0 Stepping) @ 4.6Ghz (4.6x100), Corsair H80i AIO Cooler
MSI Z77A GD-65 Gaming (MS-7551), v25 BIOS
Kingston HyperX 16GB (2x8GB) PC3-19200 Kit (HX24C11BRK2/16-OC) @ 1.5v, 11-13-13-30 Timings (1:8 Ratio)
8GB MSI Radeon R9 390X (1080 Mhz Core, 6000 Mhz Memory)
NZXT H440 Case with NZXT Hue+ Installed
24" Dell U2412HM (1920x1200, e-IPS panel)
1 x 500GB Samsung 850 EVO (Boot & Install)
1 x 2Tb Hitachi 7K2000 in External Enclosure (Scratch Disk)
Entertainment Setup
Samsung Series 6 37" 1080p TV
Gigabyte GA-J1800N-D2H based media PC, Mini ITX Case, Blu-Ray Drive
Netgear ReadyNAS104 w/4x2TB Toshiba DTACA200's for 5.8TB Volume size
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Can you not lock xeon's into turbo?
Main Rig
Intel Core i7-2600K (SLB8W, E0 Stepping) @ 4.6Ghz (4.6x100), Corsair H80i AIO Cooler
MSI Z77A GD-65 Gaming (MS-7551), v25 BIOS
Kingston HyperX 16GB (2x8GB) PC3-19200 Kit (HX24C11BRK2/16-OC) @ 1.5v, 11-13-13-30 Timings (1:8 Ratio)
8GB MSI Radeon R9 390X (1080 Mhz Core, 6000 Mhz Memory)
NZXT H440 Case with NZXT Hue+ Installed
24" Dell U2412HM (1920x1200, e-IPS panel)
1 x 500GB Samsung 850 EVO (Boot & Install)
1 x 2Tb Hitachi 7K2000 in External Enclosure (Scratch Disk)
Entertainment Setup
Samsung Series 6 37" 1080p TV
Gigabyte GA-J1800N-D2H based media PC, Mini ITX Case, Blu-Ray Drive
Netgear ReadyNAS104 w/4x2TB Toshiba DTACA200's for 5.8TB Volume size
I refuse to participate in any debate with creationists because doing so would give them the "oxygen of respectability" that they want.
Creationists don't mind being beaten in an argument. What matters to them is that I give them recognition by bothering to argue with them in public.
Looks like 4100 bucks if cpu world states it right
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/I...2699%20v3.html
Server: HP Proliant ML370 G6, 2x Xeon X5690, 144GB ECC Registered, 8x OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 240GB on LSi 9265-8i (RAID 0), 12x Seagate Constellation ES.2 3TB SAS on LSi 9280-24i4e (RAID 6) and dual 1200W redundant power supplies.
Gamer: Intel Core i7 6950X@4.2GHz, Rampage Edition 10, 128GB (8x16GB) Corsair Dominator Platinum 2800MHz, 2x NVidia Titan X (Pascal), Corsair H110i, Vengeance C70 w/Corsair AX1500i, Intel P3700 2TB (boot), Samsung SM961 1TB (Games), 2x Samsung PM1725 6.4TB (11.64TB usable) Windows Software RAID 0 (local storage).
Beater: Xeon E5-1680 V3, NCase M1, ASRock X99-iTX/ac, 2x32GB Crucial 2400MHz RDIMMs, eVGA Titan X (Maxwell), Samsung 950 Pro 512GB, Corsair SF600, Asetek 92mm AIO water cooler.
Server/workstation: 2x Xeon E5-2687W V2, Asus Z9PE-D8, 256GB 1866MHz Samsung LRDIMMs (8x32GB), eVGA Titan X (Maxwell), 2x Intel S3610 1.6TB SSD, Corsair AX1500i, Chenbro SR10769, Intel P3700 2TB.
Thanks for the help (or lack thereof) in resolving my P3700 issue, FUGGER...
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