Updated 2nd Time: Maxwell 800 series GPUs will be "quiet" powerful.

[GoldenTiger]

Sounds like a great panel then. I personally can't justify spending $1k on a 24" screen, but perhaps once the prices fall I'll go for either a 30" monitor or just buy one of the 4k TVs that are native 60 hz

Yeah, I didn't pay anywhere near that, found a great deal and pounced . 4k is a joy regardless of what you end up getting, for sure.

[AliG]

So back on topic, do we have any idea when TSMC will finally get their act together? I've been waiting forever to do a GPU upgrade because I don't like the thermal levels on current cards

[zalbard]

So back on topic, do we have any idea when TSMC will finally get their act together? I've been waiting forever to do a GPU upgrade because I don't like the thermal levels on current cards

Depends on your idea of TSMC "getting their act together".

I personally don't see big 20nm GPUs coming out before late Q4 2014...

Slightly OT: any guesses why Nvidia deprived Maxwell of Unified Virtual Memory and postponed it until Pascal?

[SinOfLiberty]

So back on topic, do we have any idea when TSMC will finally get their act together? I've been waiting forever to do a GPU upgrade because I don't like the thermal levels on current cards

Same, gpu upgrade is 1st on my list.

800 Should be here in July. Q3- that is when NV is planning to launch the gpus. We also discussed some of its aspects with Golden Tiger.

[SinOfLiberty]

Originally posted by SlickR12345 in a thread" [ TweakTown ]GeForce GTX 800 series GPUs to be cheaper, faster than 700 series" - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2387484 Their source is the same as mine.

No way!!! You want to tell me that a new generation graphic card coming out which is almost three years later after the last generation will be faster than the last generation graphic card?

I find this unbelievable and outright absurd! How dare a new GPU, almost 3 years later then the last GPU be actually faster?

I would have serious issues if the new 880 GPU was faster than 780, I seriously would. How dare them sell a faster card at prices lower than $1000? How dare them!

[GoldenTiger]

If that's correct and it wouldn't surprise me if so..... Update 3 = unreal tournament announcer going "holy sh-" .

[SinOfLiberty]

If that's correct and it wouldn't surprise me if so..... Update 3 = unreal tournament announcer going "holy sh-" .

That would explain why the card has 512 bit and 384 TMUs.

But boy, was that smooth. Everything just felt more fluent, even from a video perspective Maybe it is just me, I dunno.

Although, this might not be day 1 performance, it is tested mostly likely in very tight environment, than an open one when the full release comes by.

I think this demo is not fake. But dat power

[WangChung]

Is this supposed to read "quiet" or "quite"? If it's the latter, you figure next time you update the title you could fix the discrepancy?

[GoldenTiger]

That would explain why the card has 512 bit and 384 TMUs.

But boy, was that smooth. Everything just felt more fluent, even from a video perspective Maybe it is just me, I dunno.

Although, this might not be day 1 performance, it is tested mostly likely in very tight environment, than an open one when the full release comes by.

I think this demo is not fake. But dat power

Even if it could "only" do 2x MSAA at top-end settings 4k 60hz at 60+fps minimums.... the announcer would still be yelling that "holy sh--" line that echoes .

[truthh]

Same, gpu upgrade is 1st on my list.

800 Should be here in July. Q3- that is when NV is planning to launch the gpus. We also discussed some of its aspects with Golden Tiger.

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/189...er-till-hosten

October-november, sweclokers is always right

[SinOfLiberty]

Guess, I should not have leaked the info.

Swecklcokers are at it again. Did they really get in just to spoil GTX 880 to be a "behemoth" news every site is talking about..

Anyway, funnily enough, they mention there is no in depth details on latest 880 GM 200 specs, meanwhile they say

800s are off to be on 28nm GM 204 according to the latest rumors.

Oh, and they did not even provide a source of 20nm TSMC delay. Basically saying the same thing as GURU3d w/o any word from TSMC or any other source related to them. Rumor,

/skip

[SinOfLiberty]

Is this supposed to read "quiet" or "quite"? If it's the latter, you figure next time you update the title you could fix the discrepancy?

Sorry, dude. It does not allow me to change the heading for some reason. You are right, it is the latter.

[truthh]

sweclockers is a famous source for nvidia stuff they never failed btw

[astrallite]

60 fps on a gtx 880 in Crysis 3 4k maxed with 8xAA? Thats improbable given quad sli titan black only hits about 55 fps under those settings. Are we supposed to believe a 20nm card is faster than 4 titan blacks, and is going to cost $650? Lmao

[Kallenator]

60 fps on a gtx 880 in Crysis 3 4k maxed with 8xAA? Thats improbable given quad sli titan black only hits about 55 fps under those settings. Are we supposed to believe a 20nm card is faster than 4 titan blacks, and is going to cost $650? Lmao

Well the quote itself is a bit strange, 4k resolution and high amounts of AA is not a sound thing to do nor necessary.

However, with the increasingly more popular 4k monitors I think cheap upscaling might find it's place.

[SoulsCollective]

Personally, I'm finding it a major plus that a lot of review sites are trying to include 4K testing these days - while I don't have a 4K monitor and likely won't get one for years until the price comes down, I do game on a 5760*1080 setup, which is about 6.2mil pixels to 4K's about 8mil pixels. Performance at those extremes is usually very different to performance at 1080, and quite often a card that is slower at 1080 ends up taking the lead at the other extreme.

[bamtan2]

10/22/2013: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d..._Progress.html

20nm SOC: “Specifically on 20nm we have received five product tape-outs and scheduled more than 30 tape-outs in this year and next year from mobile computing, CPU and PLD [programmable logic device] segments. And all those tape-outs represent big volumes."

16nm finfet: “On 16 FinFET, technological development is progressing well. Risk production is on schedule by the end of this year. More than 25 customer product tape-outs are planned in 2014 including mobile computing, CPU, GPU, PLD and networking applications. We are on track to begin volume production within one year of 20nm,”

I find it interesting that TSMC didn't mention 20nm GPUs, but DOES mention that 16nm is similar to 20nm, is coming soon after 20nm, and DOES have GPUs on it.

When I read something like that directly from TSMC itself, it makes me wonder if nvidia skipped 20nm.

[Picao84]

10/22/2013: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d..._Progress.html

20nm SOC: ?Specifically on 20nm we have received five product tape-outs and scheduled more than 30 tape-outs in this year and next year from mobile computing, CPU and PLD [programmable logic device] segments. And all those tape-outs represent big volumes."

16nm finfet: ?On 16 FinFET, technological development is progressing well. Risk production is on schedule by the end of this year. More than 25 customer product tape-outs are planned in 2014 including mobile computing, CPU, GPU, PLD and networking applications. We are on track to begin volume production within one year of 20nm,?

I find it interesting that TSMC didn't mention 20nm GPUs, but DOES mention that 16nm is similar to 20nm, is coming soon after 20nm, and DOES have GPUs on it.

When I read something like that directly from TSMC itself, it makes me wonder if nvidia skipped 20nm.

That is nothing new, really. Only editors that do not have a clue about the industry would insist on 20nm GPUs, just because an available node was never skipped by nVIDIA before (32nm does not count since it was not available at TSMC, although you could make a point that it goes both ways). Plus, from what I understood from several people with knowledge about these processes, 16nn FF is not exactly a 100% new node, it shares much with 20nm. So it totally makes sense for nVIDIA to skip 20nm.

I do believe that we are going to see GM204 in some form or another earlier than October though... maybe not on its Desktop Consumer GPU, but it will show up...

[SinOfLiberty]

Yellooo bodies , this is SOL.

Anyway, here is an interesting piece of info.

GM 204 128M 256bit is nothing more but a mobile graphics processor. Which is without almost no doubts is 28nm based chip. Unless you are mobile enthusiast, this is not exiting.. The final version should be 4GB btw.

Which leaves us with 20nm GM200, the only desktop tape out entry. The chip, the top of the line 800s are based off of.

And If zauba updates the chart with little to no delay, GM 204(Desktop processor) is not coming soon. Which is the repeat of an older generation releases. When High End chips Gx100 were in the top end GPUs, MID range GPUs, X60, X60Tis, and lower were not released until few months after the top end GPU X80`s appearance on the market.

/Out

[Picao84]

Yellooo bodies , this is SOL.
Anyway, here is an interesting piece of info.

GM 204 128M 256bit is nothing more but a mobile graphics processor. Which is without almost no doubts is 28nm based chip. Unless you are mobile enthusiast, this is not exiting.. The final version should be 4GB btw.

Hehe, looks like my speculation was not that far of the mark
But it does make sense for them to release it on mobile first with the huge pickup of gaming laptops vs gaming desktops. Unless AMD launches something, they do not really need to launch either.

[gamervivek]

The 2lac price on that GM200 invoice would have been a big hint. TitanZ is selling for 2.5lacs here.

[SinOfLiberty]

Update 3: Read the OP for more information.

[SinOfLiberty]

So, I am debating on 780 TI vs Titan Black vs 780 TI Kingpin.

I would like the ram but 780 ti is better opted for games. Which one should I get?

[kromosto]

if your aim goal is games then i say go for 780ti

[SinOfLiberty]

Ok.

Then what is better to get: 780 Ti vanilla or KingPIN? Is there a big difference?