Titan Z announced

[PatRaceTin]

PCI-E 3.0 is a bottleneck for NVIDIA CEO

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

So nVidia wants to make a sequal to Titan Card called Titan Card Z.

Will have have Super Titan Cards 1 - 3?

[paulbagz]

So nVidia wants to make a sequal to Titan Card called Titan Card Z.

Will have have Super Titan Cards 1 - 3?

Another week another Titan card announced rofl.

-PB

[tbone8ty]

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-295x2-ves...hmarks-leaked/

ll just put this here...

[NKrader]

ill take two for my matx chassis

[AliG]

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-295x2-ves...hmarks-leaked/

ll just put this here...

I wouldn't say those results are out of the realm of possibility. The biggest thing holding back the r9 290x was heat generation, as it got so hot it would never run at full speed throughout the entire benchmark. But slapping a watercooler on it could very well push the dual gpu version to the top.

[WangChung]

...And NOW is when AMD announces Vesuvius for $1500.

Haha, could you imagine?

Holy crap, talk about oracle powers haha!

[zalbard]

And both are good 50% overpriced... Nothing much unexpected.

[Zloyd]

Honestly the 295x doesnt seem all that overpriced. Onboard 290x two of them full speed and none of issues with standard 290x. Its a great card for the fans ... I think people with multiple 290's would be wishing they had waited for this.

This dual titan is joke for gamers but im sure there will be some hardcore NV boys saying the cooler design is mindblowing and the card is epic and the engineering is iconic and the specs are legendary so they dont mind paying extra for a premium product.

Nv happy to milk the stupidity cant blame them. If they couldnt they would have bothered making a gaming only version of this.

[Lanek]

.... If they couldnt they would have bothered making a gaming only version of this.

I will not say that, now that the 295x is out, they could and want certainly release a dual 780 gpu. I tend to believe it have allways been the case, but they want this titan dual gpu first out, at high price.

[Zloyd]

Its not nice but I do like how nvidia are losing their halo over being a superior brand. They arent losing because of tech or anything .... its just that 1000$ 3000$ cards cant be winning you many friends. Also cause I think ATI drivers have been leaps and bounds better in the last 2 years than it has been before that still behind Nvidia in terms of quality driver support but the gap is minuscule compared to what it used to be.

OT- Do you think ATI can repeat this gen again match nvidia 880gtx 650$ card with a 450-500$ offering ? I so so hope so.

Edit- Also to be fair to nvidia maybe they dont want to disable perfectly great workstation chips ...... cant sell them at 600-700 it would hurt their lower range quadro cards. I think they are in a quandry .... its easy to name call and say they are greedy etc etc but maybe the nature of the chips design and its DP performance and stuff makes it impossible for them to sell it cheaper.

Or Titan sales .... it was unprecedented ..... it made no sense was a waste of cash but the marketing ...their advantage at the time and their Halo image it turned out perfectly for them or so is the public perception we dont really know if Titan really ended up making fat profits for Nvidia. ( in india they were retailing at 1500$ I know of more than a few cases where people got themselves 2.)


This Titan Z dualie seems like a repeat of that exercise but I think they are gonna find out there isnt a market for 2k 3k cards.

[tajoh111]

Holy crap, talk about oracle powers haha!

Lol, I predicted alot more than that.

It might backfire.

Basically they left the door wide open for AMD to kick them in the nuts. By charging 3000 dollars, AMD can make a better product than Nvidia no question if pricing stay like this.

AMD can probably sell their card for 1500 dollars and with pricing like that the cooling factor goes out the window. They could bundle a dedicated water cooling unit to cool a 290x x2 and because Nvidia is so adamant about using a double slot air cooler, AMD should be able to beat it with performance easily.

For everyone but a very select group that can use the double precision(and this isn't that great since they need quadro drivers), this card is just a ridiculous purchase.

This type of pricing makes it clear why Apple picked AMD for their Mac Pro's. This is worse pricing than Apple and makes the mac pros look like a bargain even though they are far less powerful.

I hope no consumer buys this card and only tiny niche does so Nvidia realizes that there really isn't a market for 3000 dollar videocards.

All hopes for this fitting into a 375 watt envelope went out the window when they gave this a water cooling solution.

The only way 2x hawaii was going to fit into a 375 envelope is with some serious underclocking.

Hawaii itself uses a similar amount of power as the gtx 480 back in the day.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...hmarks,10.html

And the only way fermi, fit into a 375 watt envelope was with a cutdown gf110 and underclocking.

What we are likely to see here is something with similar power consumption to ares 2 if not a tad worse. The cooling solution is the same and the overclock on both cards are similar.

But honestly AMD approach is alot better than Nvidias with whatever consumer gtx 780 ti dual variant that comes out . The nvidia method would include underclocking and putting noise and power consumption ahead in a segment that doesn't care about it that much. Any one that's going to pay more than twice as much as two single cards, is 100% about e peen. And at this point, AMD giving people high clocks is what what they should be doing if they are going to charge this much. Thankfully, the hybrid solution should at least make the noise on these tolerable.

If Nvidia was going to release titan z without the double precision, they are likely to put it on air and clock the cards with something like 802mhz with a 850-900mhz boost. And still charge 1500 for it, without the water cooling solution.

It hasn't been really long enough to get a respin revision of hawaii. Its only been out for 4 and a half months. Basically all they can do is work with hawaii current revision and bin the cards.

I predicted the price, the watercooling, performance vs Nvidia and the power consumption.

Looking at techpowerups review, it does beat ares for power usage.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/ARES_II/25.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...295_X2/22.html

I also knew VRM temps were going to be potentially high.

[naokaji]

Its not nice but I do like how nvidia are losing their halo over being a superior brand. They arent losing because of tech or anything .... its just that 1000$ 3000$ cards cant be winning you many friends.

Both AMD and Nvidia know those cards won't sell in significant numbers, they are just marketing tools to sell more of the affordable cards.

Cause we can't have a thread without a bad car analogy, they look good as a poster in Engineering Pr0n monthly just like the poster of some random super car some guy had on his bedroom wall as a kid only to then end up buying some cheap korean deathtrap.

[NKrader]

Both AMD and Nvidia know those cards won't sell in significant numbers, they are just marketing tools to sell more of the affordable cards.

Cause we can't have a thread without a bad car analogy, they look good as a poster in Engineering Pr0n monthly just like the poster of some random super car some guy had on his bedroom wall as a kid only to then end up buying some cheap korean deathtrap.

indeed.

everyone seems to forget that this is an entry level compute card more than gaming card. but it is a super high end gaming card. everyone realizes its "overpriced" in bag for buck, as almost ALL dual gpu cards have been, ever. this one is just a little more so as it is a bridge between tesla cards and geforce cards, if they made it cheap everyone would just buy lots of titanz cards instead of tesla cards and they would loose money in the end. at least this way gamers with the money can buy the top notch bleeding edge tech at half the price of buying the tesla card.

[zalbard]

at least this way gamers with the money can buy the top notch bleeding edge tech at half the price of buying the tesla card.

Gamers have no use for DP GPGPU right now, though.

This card is mostly aimed at CUDA developers (and occasional gamers with no sense).

Still overpriced (and thus pointless) compared to regular Titans, though. A Halo product at best...

[lowfat]

Gamers have no use for DP GPGPU right now, though.

This card is mostly aimed at CUDA developers (and occasional gamers with no sense).

Still overpriced (and thus pointless) compared to regular Titans, though. A Halo product at best...

Except that Nvidia markets the card as a gaming card not towards professional users.

[zalbard]

Except that Nvidia markets the card as a gaming card not towards professional users.

I guess professional users are likely to have more sense to buy two separate Titans instead.

[mattkosem]

I guess professional users are likely to have more sense to buy two separate Titans instead.

...unless they're looking to double their compute density in a given chassis.

--Matt

[zalbard]

...unless they're looking to double their compute density in a given chassis.

--Matt

A chassis costs $100. Why would you pay $900 more?

[AbortRetryFail?]

For a card supposedly launching in April things sure are quiet ...




Have you driven a Ford, lately ??

[Zloyd]

Hmm @ Lanek if they manage to do 780x2 in 999$ lots of takers. Would kinda complete their lineup with a good 1000$ offering. I think you are right its just a matter of time prolly just need to tweak titanz design a little and slap a pair of 780's in there.

[LordEC911]

Lol, I predicted alot more than that.





I predicted the price, the watercooling, performance vs Nvidia and the power consumption.

Looking at techpowerups review, it does beat ares for power usage.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/ARES_II/25.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...295_X2/22.html

I also knew VRM temps were going to be potentially high.

Funny that you "predict" something when that info has been out there since before 2014.

[mattkosem]

A chassis costs $100. Why would you pay $900 more?

Professional users packing systems with devices like this to maximize compute capacity should already be running sufficiently large chassis to house as many cards as a given platform can address. I'm referring to situations where systems with 3 or 4 cards are getting double the compute horsepower with cards like this when compared to titans.

--Matt

[kuroikenshi]

Funny that you "predict" something when that info has been out there since before 2014.

maybe his windows calendar is set at 2012, that'll explain his issue with the wrong working of his sentences

[zalbard]

Professional users packing systems with devices like this to maximize compute capacity should already be running sufficiently large chassis to house as many cards as a given platform can address. I'm referring to situations where systems with 3 or 4 cards are getting double the compute horsepower with cards like this when compared to titans.

--Matt

Ah, you mean someone buying 3 or 4 of these cards for a single chassis? That makes sense, although price of such a setup does make me question whether there are such people out there... Especially in sufficient numbers to warrant launch of a new product.