Titan Z announced

[lutjens]

New Titan Z announced...

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/art...ce-gtx-titan-z

A ultra high-end product with the best binned components that is fully enabled. 12GB of VRAM to boot...


I hope Intel is taking notes...

[WangChung]

...And NOW is when AMD announces Vesuvius for $1500.

Haha, could you imagine?

[zalbard]

Why anyone would buy this over 2 regular Titans is beyond me.

Unless, of course, someone has a cramped chassis and would rather spend $1000 extra on video cards instead of getting a new one...

[Evantaur]

Why anyone would buy this over 2 regular Titans is beyond me.

Unless, of course, someone has a cramped chassis and would rather spend $2000 extra on video cards instead of getting a new one...

m-atx sized GPU grid cruncher

[zalbard]

m-atx sized GPU grid cruncher

You can use two regular Titans for that.

[Buckeye]

Just saw this today. This unit is for heavy duty graphics programs. Yes it can be a gaming rig but they also have other uses.

They sold a large amount of Titans out in the enterprise area.

[Darakian]

m-atx sized GPU grid cruncher

m-itx GPU cruncher

[Iconyu]

Just saw this today. This unit is for heavy duty graphics programs. Yes it can be a gaming rig but they also have other uses.

They sold a large amount of Titans out in the enterprise area.

The Titan was cost effective, this isn't. There is no way the PCB and that 690GTX cooler is worth an extra $1000, the only way it would be worth it, is to fill a workstation with them and I'm not sure how the drivers are after 4 GPU's.

[lutjens]

The Titan was cost effective, this isn't. There is no way the PCB and that 690GTX cooler is worth an extra $1000, the only way it would be worth it, is to fill a workstation with them and I'm not sure how the drivers are after 4 GPU's.

Quad SLi with these will definitely have diminishing returns, but should still tickle the right game into incredible numbers at insane resolution.

I also find myself wondering what this card would be able to do with the FDH3601 monitor...on paper at least, they sound like a good match.

I like the fully enabled premise of this card. It's straddles the professional and prosumer market well, much like an unlocked Xeon would. I hope Intel takes notice of this card and of the fact that it's going to be continually and perpetually sold out everywhere. Perhaps then they'll realize that there is a demand for ultra high-end end hardware that can serve the professional market as well as prosumers and high-end enthusiasts and that people are willing to pay significant money for their best product if it suits their needs.

Time will tell, I guess...

[Buckeye]

New Titan Z announced...

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/art...ce-gtx-titan-z

A ultra high-end product with the best binned components that is fully enabled. 12GB of VRAM to boot...


I hope Intel is taking notes...

This is why Intel should be taking notes. Pascal



And then there is this

[Chrono Detector]

I rather buy 2 Titan's instead of this card, really NVIDIA, $3K for this while 2 Titans cost $1000 less?

Didn't expect NVIDIA to put 2 Titan GPU's together in one card.

[AliG]

Why anyone would buy this over 2 regular Titans is beyond me.

Unless, of course, someone has a cramped chassis and would rather spend $2000 extra on video cards instead of getting a new one...

Technically it's 2 fully enabled gtx 780 ti cores, note that it has 5760 and not 5376 cores. So a better comparison would be the titan z vs 2 gtx 780 ti or the upcoming gtx 790.

Really this will only show its worth when you start considering double precision float operations, ie high end computation. For gaming there's probably no reason other than bragging rights to buy it.

[Buckeye]

Technically it's 2 fully enabled gtx 780 ti cores, note that it has 5760 and not 5376 cores. So a better comparison would be the titan z vs 2 gtx 780 ti or the upcoming gtx 790.

Really this will only show its worth when you start considering double precision float operations, ie high end computation. For gaming there's probably no reason other than bragging rights to buy it.

Yeah, some one gets it

[lutjens]

Technically it's 2 fully enabled gtx 780 ti cores, note that it has 5760 and not 5376 cores. So a better comparison would be the titan z vs 2 gtx 780 ti or the upcoming gtx 790.

Really this will only show its worth when you start considering double precision float operations, ie high end computation. For gaming there's probably no reason other than bragging rights to buy it.

True, but an additional benefit is the ability to have near the performance of a 780 Ti SLi in a dual slot configuration. This will enable someone to free up slots in their system that can come in very handy for additional hardware (sound card, RAID adapter, high speed NIC, etc).

Now if we can only get a real butt-kicking CPU from Intel, one would be able to create a truly sickening powerhouse.

[koc]

IMHO, Nvidia knows that this card Would not be sold widely, but just to Show their muscles, and to prove that nvidia still at the top.

[tajoh111]

IMHO, Nvidia knows that this card Would not be sold widely, but just to Show their muscles, and to prove that nvidia still at the top.

It might backfire.

Basically they left the door wide open for AMD to kick them in the nuts. By charging 3000 dollars, AMD can make a better product than Nvidia no question if pricing stay like this.

AMD can probably sell their card for 1500 dollars and with pricing like that the cooling factor goes out the window. They could bundle a dedicated water cooling unit to cool a 290x x2 and because Nvidia is so adamant about using a double slot air cooler, AMD should be able to beat it with performance easily.

For everyone but a very select group that can use the double precision(and this isn't that great since they need quadro drivers), this card is just a ridiculous purchase.

This type of pricing makes it clear why Apple picked AMD for their Mac Pro's. This is worse pricing than Apple and makes the mac pros look like a bargain even though they are far less powerful.

I hope no consumer buys this card and only tiny niche does so Nvidia realizes that there really isn't a market for 3000 dollar videocards.

[lutjens]

It might backfire.

Basically they left the door wide open for AMD to kick them in the nuts. By charging 3000 dollars, AMD can make a better product than Nvidia no question if pricing stay like this.

AMD can probably sell their card for 1500 dollars and with pricing like that the cooling factor goes out the window. They could bundle a dedicated water cooling unit to cool a 290x x2 and because Nvidia is so adamant about using a double slot air cooler, AMD should be able to beat it with performance easily.

For everyone but a very select group that can use the double precision(and this isn't that great since they need quadro drivers), this card is just a ridiculous purchase.

This type of pricing makes it clear why Apple picked AMD for their Mac Pro's. This is worse pricing than Apple and makes the mac pros look like a bargain even though they are far less powerful.

I hope no consumer buys this card and only tiny niche does so Nvidia realizes that there really isn't a market for 3000 dollar videocards.

The folks who can use this card (and there are many) will be all over it. Others, who just want the best gaming card available, will buy it and even buy two of them just to have the absolute best. Just because you're not in the target market or because you can't see through the eyes of the target market doesn't mean the target market doesn't exist. There is a considerable market for these cards, both by professionals and by ultra high-end enthusiasts. Price is a secondary concern for this market, and in this case, the price needs to taken in direct consideration to the quality of the package as a whole. It's basically two Titan Blacks (which are still difficult to find) with very highly cherry picked GPUs and a full 12GB of VRAM (running at full speed as well BTW). NVidia has probably been saving up these truly exceptional GPUs from well over a year ago, so I'm betting they are the absolute best of the best. Having two of these GPUs in a dual slot configuration in an incredible concentration of power in a very small space (another selling point) and water cooling them should make for some impressive benchmarks indeed. The Titan Z itself is therefore (IMHO) a very impressive, very high quality card and this largely justifies the high price.

Many people also said there was no market for the first Titan either. They said, "$1000 for a video card...who's insane enough to buy that?" But the damn things were vapourware for a very long time following their launch and continued to sellout easily throughout last year. At present, even when a Black is in stock, it's still marked up by the retailer due to high demand. Examples on eBay are typically in the $1300-$1500 range. Also, if the original Titan had sold poorly, the Titan Z simply would not exist, so clearly there is a considerable market for ultra high-end cards.

[zalbard]

Technically it's 2 fully enabled gtx 780 ti cores, note that it has 5760 and not 5376 cores. So a better comparison would be the titan z vs 2 gtx 780 ti or the upcoming gtx 790.

Titan Black has all cores enabled.

[naokaji]

two sides to every coin:

Bargain of the century, if they would have written Quadro on it instead of Titan they could easily sell it for $9999.

For gaming however it is a complete rip off, just buy 3x 780ti instead and enjoy the $800 or so change.

[lutjens]

two sides to every coin:

Bargain of the century, if they would have written Quadro on it instead of Titan they could easily sell it for $9999.

For gaming however it is a complete rip off, just buy 3x 780ti instead and enjoy the $800 or so change.

If they had written Quadro on it, Quad SLi wouldn't be possible in a typical GeForce SLi-compliant computer. But, you're right, an equivalent Quadro would be much more costly. Which makes it the fact that the Titan Z is a GeForce-branded card a good thing. This card is the best of both worlds, IMHO, and represents NVidia's best product. Fully enabled, top quality, no corners cut (that we know of yet, anyway). Such a product is worth a premium price...

[madcho]

more and more useless.


AMD/ATI with the 3870-4870-5870-6970-7970 series, did a very good strategy.

Create a "hallo", a more attractive product, with a good perf/price.

nvidia is still lower in this, for a long time. But marketing get more effects than the "hallo" in practice.
anyway, AMD make nvidia to cut strongly the margins of the nvidia products several times, to to be outperformed in perf/price.

2 Titan for 3k$ ???

lol, they are joking. in 6-8 months 20nm is coming. people with AMD are more addicted to get a good value more frequently that have a huge chip, useless, and less often.

Getting more often get you an easy way to get the last updates of the process and the architecture. Improving speed on new effects.

With 2 GPU, you will get problems of micro shuttering, even lower than before, but still there. And pay for double memory for the normal value.




nvidia do this only for his top leader, and he will have his card and play nvidia paid games. This guy believe he is the new steve job. Iphone get the market at start because they was alone. Now the iphone market is more and more marginal. But with concurency, this is not the same. They don't want concurency, they want be alone, and do what they want.

Concurency is good for customer. nvidia is lucky that ATI is really bad in marketing, and have financial difficulties with AMD.

If you ask a gamer if it's usefull, he will say no. He can buy two titan cheaper. And two 290 way more cheap, and get the same level of performance.

[paulbagz]

Titans are a fools errand, period.

Regardless of model.

-PB

[lutjens]

Titans are a fools errand, period.

Regardless of model.

-PB

Yep, a fool's errand...that's why they've been selling like hotcakes since they were introduced and $1K Titan Blacks are on eBay right now for $1500. No demand for them at all...

The target market for this card will find considerable value in it and are willing to pay for it. This product provides for the needs of CUDA developers/professionals, as well as the needs of the ultra high-end enthusiast.

[zalbard]

Titans are a fools errand, period.

Regardless of model.

-PB

That's not true, they are a bargain (compared to Quadro / Tesla) if you really need DP performance.

$1000 price premium for this card is definitely not justified, though.

[madcho]

There was no difference with quadro and geforce. You could upgrade bios, and change drivers in old time. PCB, GPU, all was the same. Now maybe they have more things that jail you in geforce mode.

The change of performance in DP is only dicted by drivers.

Even AMD do this, but less strongly.