Haswell Refresh K to have better TIM and Broadwell-K got Iris Pro - VR-Zone China

[Olivon]

Hope we will have better overclocking results with air/water-cooling solutions.

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/105547/in...-cpu-03202014/

Thanks to mum for the info

[zalbard]

So still not solder? MX-2 instead of Arctic Silver (or whatever their goo is)?

[aussie-revhead]

Maybe less need to delid the refreshing cpus?

:-\

[Olivon]

A good article on it by the hardware.fr crew :

http://www.hardware.fr/news/13618/de...well-juin.html

According to them, Devil's Canyon sounds like an Haswell done right with better overclocking capabilities.
I hope so because since Sandy Bridge it's quite boring for air/wc cooling adepts.

[FlanK3r]

I believe...with better TIM and packaging could be around 4700 MHz average AIR stable OC and this is nice step.

Broadwell, Z97 support confirmed

[paulbagz]

Soooooo what they should have released the first time?...

-PB

[Kai Robinson]

Now i'm even happier that i held off upgrading my CPU & Motherboard. I just wish AMD had something to even attempt to counter :/

[Gunslinger]

hope they fixed whatever is keeping these chips from running colder than -120C

[SKYMTL]

Soooooo what they should have released the first time?...

-PB

Second half of 2014: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...nyon-more.html

Personally, I am more excited for the Pentium 20th Anniversary Edition.

[vario]

Second half of 2014: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...nyon-more.html

Personally, I am more excited for the Pentium 20th Anniversary Edition.

Broadwell with a big ass L4 cache seems like a good idea, however, any news if they will AT LAST give normal desktops 6cores at least ?Haswell-E is gonna be priced extremely high plus youre still an architecture behind...

[Dr. Vodka]

Updated packaging materials is what I wanted to see. The TIM is not the problem, but the "thick" gap created by the black adhesive between the die and IHS that has to be filled with TIM, then. Sandy probably had the same problem, but having solder in there doing the work masked the issue. Of course solder is the holy grail here, but you see people removing that adhesive, using their favorite TIM and enjoying those 15-20?C lower temps.

I hope they found a way to get that glue to behave and thin out properly.

[Olivon]

Devil's Canyon is on the right.

Thanks to Marc from HFR

[Tenknics]

They also officially announced X99 and Haswell-E. And they also confirmed the 8-core will only be the top SKU, like I originally said. I know many were claiming there would be a $500-$600 mid sku with 8 cores. Nope. 6/6/8

[FlanK3r]

5960x...the right choice in Intel enthusiast segment

[NKrader]

i feel that my 4930k is good, i dont see much of a reason to upgrade, minimal differances when it comes to the bottom line instead of epeen.


(this does not apply to benchers, i could see how these will be much better for you)

They also officially announced X99 and Haswell-E. And they also confirmed the 8-core will only be the top SKU, like I originally said. I know many were claiming there would be a $500-$600 mid sku with 8 cores. Nope. 6/6/8

finally a reason to buy the 1000$ processor, current generation as not much reason to get it as you get like 3% more for 2x the money.

[tajoh111]

i feel that my 4930k is good, i dont see much of a reason to upgrade, minimal differances when it comes to the bottom line instead of epeen.


(this does not apply to benchers, i could see how these will be much better for you)



finally a reason to buy the 1000$ processor, current generation as not much reason to get it as you get like 3% more for 2x the money.

I thought about that when Westmere came out for Intel's first 6 core but every time Intel adds more cores, most programs aren't ready to take advantage of the extra cores.

The problem with Intel keeping these extra cores CPU's only on their extreme editions is that the really make no incentive for programmers to take advantage of it because the pricing ensures these processors only occupy a tiny niche.

Intel for the last 4 years, has been nipping away at overclocking and it seems to be a byproduct of them becoming more and more focused on mobile CPU's for consumers and only really caring about desktops on the business side.

There is little reason why Iris pro couldn't have come to Haswell at the same time as it did mobile.

Intel is a big reason why desktop sales have slumped. By focusing on mobile consumer CPU's, Intel has brought little innovation to desktop CPU's for a long time. For anyone overclocking, Intel has brought nothing interesting since sandy bridge. Particularly their mainstream lineup(anything below 4770k), I feel these chips just feel like overclocked versions of Intels mobile chips without really taking advantage of the desktop platform. Although inferior in every aspect, AMD FX 83xx series feel more like true desktop processors than anything outside of Intel's highest end enthusiast series. And even here, the problem with these chips are they are shipping too late and they don't have enough programs to take advantage of the extra cores.

Add in the constant new motherboards needed for Intel processors and it becomes harder to justify these new desktops.

[NKrader]

I thought about that when Westmere came out for Intel's first 6 core but every time Intel adds more cores, most programs aren't ready to take advantage of the extra cores.

um there is only the best program in the world to run that uses all the cores..

WORLDCOMMUNITYGRID!

and people complaining about overclockablity is kinda a joke. we are doing huge overclocks with them, its just people dont count them as the stock cpu overclocks itself.

[solofly]

I won't be upgrading until DDR4 and PCIe Gen4 are officially released. That's another good year at least and same goes for video cards, I want PCI-E four point zero dammit...

PS.
And no I have no interest in Haswell's refresh whatsoever...(better TIM, what a joke)

[Tenknics]

i feel that my 4930k is good, i dont see much of a reason to upgrade, minimal differances when it comes to the bottom line instead of epeen.


(this does not apply to benchers, i could see how these will be much better for you)



finally a reason to buy the 1000$ processor, current generation as not much reason to get it as you get like 3% more for 2x the money.

I've been wanting an "-E" chip for years but Intel has been really selfish and released cut down versions of what they could actually release. I've been holding out on an 8-core chip for 3 years now...Still don't know if I wanna drop $1k on it tho

[aussie-revhead]

Any chance the refresh cpus will have native support for 2560 over dvi? Or Broadwell might?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I just want to know if Haswell refresh will require Z97. Intel seems to have gone back and forth on that, and the mobo manuf have been releasing new UEFI versions for Z87 that supposedly support new Haswell CPUs.

[~CS~]

If the "Pentium Anniversary Edition", is just a dual core without Hyper Threading, it will be completely useless, only if HT is present, it will be something worth talking about.

[zalbard]

Any chance the refresh cpus will have native support for 2560 over dvi? Or Broadwell might?

DVI is on the way out, so no. I'd suggest switching to DisplayPort.

[aussie-revhead]

Sell my monitor because of that? AMD apu's support 2560 via dvi so that just means if I build an itx netbox then AMD will get the nod. Is it that hard to support dual link dvi?

[NKrader]

DVI is on the way out, so no. I'd suggest switching to DisplayPort.

this, i <3 displayports tiny little cable so much more anyways.