Gtx 780ti to be faster than Titan, will battle R9 290x

[Ace123]

The boys at fudzilla have received some information regarding upcoming GTX 780ti. Amd's time in the sun may be cut very short, at the least they will have to share the space if Nvidia has anything to say about it.

We have heard from multiple independent sources that the upcoming Geforce GTX 780 Ti will end up faster than the Titan, and obviously significantly faster than original Geforce GTX 780 card.

The Radeon R9 290X is giving Nvidia?s Titan a run for its money, at least in its noisy ?ber mode, but apparently 780 Ti can put some distance between these cards. Since the GTX 780 currently sells for $649 in most US etail stores and in Europe it costs just over ?500, we can only assume that GTX 780 TI performance will come at a high price, but with a Titan like cooler that we saw showcased at Nvidia?s Montreal The way it's meant to be played, the card could end up really quiet.

Let's not forget UK etail where GTX 780 sells for average ?499.99 with VAT.

We are not sure if GTX 780 Ti beats the Titan in all benchmarks, but it will definitely be faster in most of them. It remains to be seen what happens to the Titan, currently priced at $999, as the GTX 780 Ti launch will render this pricey card obsolete and uncompetitive.

One can only assume that there might be a Titan price drop happening after the 780 TI launch. The other possibility is that the Titan will be discontinued, if the Ti ends up significantly cheaper to produce.

In the US Titan cards sell for $999 and up, in the German market you can buy a Titan for ?800 and in the UK it?s ?779.99 on sale, or ?800+ on an average day. These cards make sense for people with 2560x1600 or higher resolution monitors and all settings cranked up to max.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32...ter-than-titan

[DarthBeavis]

should I not install these two Titans in my LAN rig then?

[Ace123]

Lmao SLI Titans in a LAN rig....

[Dimitriman]

Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.

[vario]

Im pretty sure nvidia doesnt want to sell fully enabled compute card for lower amount of $, it either stays or is EOL i think.

[bamtan2]

Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.

you're wrong. releasing a full GK180 is not "the same thing" -- it's faster than titan and faster than 290x, and it's worth releasing.

[Dimitriman]

you're wrong. releasing a full GK180 is not "the same thing" -- it's faster than titan and faster than 290x, and it's worth releasing.

There is no reason to release a 780Ti besides for epenis effect. Sure the 290X is good but it is hotter and lounder than Titan, therefore the latter is still more competitive and going by Nvidia's perceived image, could still sell for $100 more than the 290X. To me this is a kneejerk reaction to add a few frames more than AMD and keep the "fastest card" in the market. It is also a clear sign that the mystical Maxwell is no where to be found any soon, and most likely will show up only on 20nm in late 2014....

[boxleitnerb]

It is also a clear sign that the mystical Maxwell is no where to be found any soon, and most likely will show up only on 20nm in late 2014....

No it is not. There are other performance segments besides "enthusiast"

[gojirasan]

No it is not. There are other performance segments besides "enthusiast"

None that matter.

[gojirasan]

There is no reason to release a 780Ti besides for epenis effect.

The 290x is significantly faster than the 780 and $100 cheaper. Even in quiet mode the 290x is faster. If they do nothing and keep their current price structure they *will* lose customers to AMD. Including me. I've never bought an AMD/ATI video card before, but I'll be damned if I'm going to buy a slower and more expensive card just because of AMDs crappy stock air cooler. So, yeah, I think there is a reason for them to do something. It's called remaining competitive. It's called not being a bunch of complete idiots and not treating their customers as if they are either.

They could just lower the price of the Titan to say $499 or something and discontinue the 780 altogether, but the 290x actually beats even the Titan in many cases. I don't think Nvidia likes to lose the prestige of having the fastest GPU for no good reason. It's one thing if AMD truly has them beaten in terms of technology, but if these rumours are true they don't. And most people aren't going to pay that much attention to the extra noise of the stock cooler. They'll just run it in quiet mode and/or plan on getting an aftermarket cooler for it later. For those of us with water cooling setups the cost of the water block is mostly paid for by the price difference and probably someone will start selling a more effective air cooler for the 290x.

As far as the extra power usage of the 290x that does bother me, but not as much as Nvidia trying to sell me a slower card for more money. If that's Nvidia's plan then I'll say thanks but no thanks.

[Rob94hawk]

There is no reason to release a 780Ti besides for epenis effect. Sure the 290X is good but it is hotter and lounder than Titan, therefore the latter is still more competitive and going by Nvidia's perceived image, could still sell for $100 more than the 290X. To me this is a kneejerk reaction to add a few frames more than AMD and keep the "fastest card" in the market. It is also a clear sign that the mystical Maxwell is no where to be found any soon, and most likely will show up only on 20nm in late 2014....

This is why I only build new rigs once every 5 to 6 years. When that time comes around the new hardware is 5 to 10 times faster. Not in increments of small percentages for massive amounts of cash.

[trinibwoy]

Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.

Titan owners shouldn't care what NVidia does in the future. Whether they drop the price or introduce a faster card it doesn't change anything about the card they already own. If NVidia has enough good GK1x0 chips to release a faster version there's no reason they shouldn't do just that.

[lutjens]

Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.

My guess is that NVidia doesn't want to permit access to the un-neutered compute abilities of Titan at that much lower price point. AMD, on the other hand, has not restricted the compute performance of its cards. The fact that AMD is giving their compute performance away for much less than NVidia is the thing that hurts NVidia the most by eroding market share in their most valuable categories...and increases the likelihood that CUDA will lose traction in the market.

[Lanek]

Hawaii have restricted DP performance m8 ( by software it means only ) ... 1/8 vs 1/4 on the 7970.. ofc they are still a good number upper the Nvidia Gefore card ( with 1/24 this was not hard ).... Its not reduced at te same point, but they follow the same course. Well this can change really hard ( reviews are not clear on it, some say 1/4 other 1/8 )

[tajoh111]

My guess is that NVidia doesn't want to permit access to the un-neutered compute abilities of Titan at that much lower price point. AMD, on the other hand, has not restricted the compute performance of its cards. The fact that AMD is giving their compute performance away for much less than NVidia is the thing that hurts NVidia the most by eroding market share in their most valuable categories...and increases the likelihood that CUDA will lose traction in the market.

They semi neutered the compute ability of this card or they changed the specs of the double precision unit.

I believe the double precision which was previously 1/4 with the 7970 is now 1/8 which is still better than how neutered the gtx 780 is at 1/24.

I wonder if they are going to even bother with a professional chip for this card. Usually pro chip come out quite a bit later and by them 20nm will be in talks.

Also, I wonder if it is possible to put this chip into the new Mac Pros. This is really where it can hurt AMD having a high TDP. The Mac Pros are a lot more limited for cooling capacity in general and having this chip thermally regulated might turns its performance into tahiti by lowering the clocks.

Plus having the heatsink shared by the CPU, and I have seen with some xenon e5 which are in the mac pro, have a max operating temperature of 81 degrees. Thus, having something that regularly wants to run at 95 degree's is going to increase the temperature of CPU beyond that capacity since its a shared heatsink, particularly if the singular heatsink is overwhelmed.

[paulbagz]

Already have a thread for 780 Ti stuff?

-PB

[spursindonesia]

Good, the more the merrier. Bing it on nVidia, if you really can, and may the best product win.

[[XC] Oj101]

GeForce GTX 780 Ti stock performance within ~3-5 % of a heavily (read: maxed out) air OC'd Radeon R9 290X in 3DM11.

[Aberration]

$550? Pretty persuasive to me.

[Darakian]

Titan is being held up because of it's compute capacity. Remember that a tesla which is ~120% of a titan is ~400% of the titan's price. I'd love to see the price differential grow to 800%

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

A titan is no replacement for a workstation card. It is still lacking most of the rendering compute features. It only has a option to enable FP64. This only benefits crunchers really. No benefit to workstation users that would be using a quadro. Titan still performs well in generic rendering applications though.

[Olivon]

Thanks to Oj101 for bringing some newz on it !

[PedantOne]

Oj101 - i dont know, where you get that numbers, but i am not sure it is correct. 10 percents above R9 290X on stock clocks? - We will see.

Look at these results, Ti sample here is 6GB card with more CUDAs than today GTX 780. But i don t know if it has final clocks and final SKU configuration.

PS. Reviews are closer then all expected
PS2. I have some another shots made with this secret card

[boxleitnerb]

Thx!

[Tha Last Meal]

I have some another shots made with this secret card

give me more shots