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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101 View Post
    Stock clock speed on the 780 Ti puts it between 3 and 5 % below a 290X running at around 1150 MHz on the Performance Preset.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure the 780 Ti will use a new revision of GK110, not GK180. I don't see any need for validating ECC, etc on a consumer desktop card. GK110 can indeed have more CUDA cores.
    That would make the 780 Ti about 12% faster than Titan@stock if my math is correct. Nvidia could not achieve this by clocks alone, that would kill energy efficiency. Together with your comment on cores I think that points to 2880 cores
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaddMuppet View Post
    So if the 290x was running stock clocks, they would be neck and neck.
    The 290X would be about 13 % slower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxleitnerb View Post
    That would make the 780 Ti about 12% faster than Titan@stock if my math is correct. Nvidia could not achieve this by clocks alone, that would kill energy efficiency. Together with your comment on cores I think that points to 2880 cores
    Seeing as we know that a stock 290X comes within a few percentage points of the TITAN your assumption is good.

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    Oj101 - i dont know, where you get that numbers, but i am not sure it is correct. 10 percents above R9 290X on stock clocks? - We will see.

    Look at these results, Ti sample here is 6GB card with more CUDAs than today GTX 780. But i don t know if it has final clocks and final SKU configuration.

    PS. Reviews are closer then all expected
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    I have some another shots made with this secret card
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    I wonder how much NVIDIA will sell this, knowing them they will most likely will sell this at a high price and won't try to sell it close to the R9 290X price because they are afraid of losing money. Though I wonder if the GTX 780 Ti will come with 6GB RAM or not if its meant to be faster than both the Titan and R9 290X.
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    i think price can be around $650 but who know now.

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    i'd say they drop the 780 to $550-600, introduce the 780ti at $650-700 and EOL the Titan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biohead View Post
    i'd say they drop the 780 to $550-600, introduce the 780ti at $650-700 and EOL the Titan.
    I think they'd have to price the 780 at least at $500, if not lower to be honest. Yes power consumption and heat are factors, but in the end most people only care about performance. Most reviews I've seen show it being around 10% slower than the 290X in uber mode, so $500 would be a good point to undercut AMD.

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    Titan was EOLed long time ago

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    Umm... both the Gtx 780 and Titan in those benchmarks are running 3930k and quad channel memory..... the R9-290x is running a 3770k....
    Find some benchmarks running on the same system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biohead View Post
    i'd say they drop the 780 to $550-600, introduce the 780ti at $650-700 and EOL the Titan.
    This is reasonable, nVidia brand still carries more weight compared to AMD graphic, though i am more leaning that GTX 780 would be closer to the lower number (US$ 550) thus matching reference R9 290X price (yes it's a bit slower but it has its own good qualities), while GTX 780 Ti would go higher, the upper limit at US$ 700, factoring its top of the class performance and perhaps 6 GB high speed VRAM, not to mention higher CUDA count GK110 chips are more rare, so it needs to be priced accordingly to ensure good supply & optimum profitability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ View Post
    I've been hearing this "selling at a loss" bit here since GTX280. Yes, Nvidia has been selling all of their high end desktop graphics cards at a loss for the last five years.

    I can't understand how they could only turn a profit at only $550.
    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101 View Post
    Who says anything about selling at a loss? The same silicon is used for multiple SKUs. TITAN being a card that sold for over $1000 (in many parts of the world its price hit as much as $1500) NVIDIA *could* charge that. Margins for NVIDIA on TITAN are stupidly high, while being quite low for the AIB partners. NVIDIA has a hell of a lot of headroom to play with the price, much more than people realise. TITAN could have launched at a price of several hundred dollars less and still turned a profit - but NVIDIA is in the business of making money, not saving other people money. They charge what the market dictates. When you consider how quickly the TITAN sold out time after time, I don't think even NVIDIA could have predicted how well it would do, and this shows that it wasn't "overpriced." Expensive or unaffordable to many, sure, but not overpriced.



    Stock clock speed on the 780 Ti puts it between 3 and 5 % below a 290X running at around 1150 MHz on the Performance Preset.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure the 780 Ti will use a new revision of GK110, not GK180. I don't see any need for validating ECC, etc on a consumer desktop card. GK110 can indeed have more CUDA cores.
    I said they are willing to sell at a loss, sure there is a lot of head room now, but right now Nvidia have to protect their market share, it would be stupid to allow AMD to gain more share with a card supporting an API nvidia can't use. Every AMD sale with GCN in it is a point gain for developers to consider implementing Mantle.

    If Nvidia isn't going to be able to join the Mantle party, and developers are resistant to them building a real rival API their only choice is to kill this API before it gets off the ground, they should consider GCN a virus. If Mantle gains are small then it's not an issue, but if Mantle gains are large every sale Nvidia make before December and the BF4 Mantle patch is very important. So yes, I think Nvidia are willing to sell at a loss to protect market share because, depending on Mantle's performance, they won't be able to bring it back if the lose it.

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    Lol you gotta be kidding me!!!
    A forum member on XtremeSystems posted an alleged 3DMark 11 score which he claims is the performance of the reference GeForce GTX 780 Ti graphic card. From the screenshots, it can be clearly seen that the GeForce GTX 780 Ti ends up as a faster solution than the GeForce GTX Titan and the Radeon R9 290X. The performance may be faster in synthetic benchmarks but gaming results are a whole different story so we have to wait to see the final performance results of the card when the card launches next month.Furthermore, the sample received by the user isn?t exactly a retail sample but an engineering board with 6 GB VRAM and an increased core count compared to the GeForce GTX 780 (2304 Cores). The user didn't pointed out the exact number but we will get to know them in the upcoming weeks. Usually, suchboard samples end up with lower clock speeds than the retail models so one can expect even better performance in the final models. You can see the performance results below
    Read more:http://wccftech.com/alleged-nvidia-g...#ixzz2isZ4yuKn
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    It stinks a bit when NVidia know they are going to release a secret revision (780Ti) that makes all other cards they happily took a lot of money for worthless. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono Detector View Post
    I wonder how much NVIDIA will sell this, knowing them they will most likely will sell this at a high price and won't try to sell it close to the R9 290X price because they are afraid of losing money. Though I wonder if the GTX 780 Ti will come with 6GB RAM or not if its meant to be faster than both the Titan and R9 290X.

    This type of card never sell well anyway.. but you know Nvidia, if they can sold, AMD is not faster, they hope peoples will buy the cheaper cards thinking it is better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace123 View Post
    Lol you gotta be kidding me!!!

    Read more:http://wccftech.com/alleged-nvidia-g...#ixzz2isZ4yuKn
    You was really think this site have any source ? They do like us.. they watch forums, discussion and they do their article based on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitriman View Post
    Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.
    My guess is that NVidia doesn't want to permit access to the un-neutered compute abilities of Titan at that much lower price point. AMD, on the other hand, has not restricted the compute performance of its cards. The fact that AMD is giving their compute performance away for much less than NVidia is the thing that hurts NVidia the most by eroding market share in their most valuable categories...and increases the likelihood that CUDA will lose traction in the market.
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    Hawaii have restricted DP performance m8 ( by software it means only ) ... 1/8 vs 1/4 on the 7970.. ofc they are still a good number upper the Nvidia Gefore card ( with 1/24 this was not hard ).... Its not reduced at te same point, but they follow the same course. Well this can change really hard ( reviews are not clear on it, some say 1/4 other 1/8 )
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutjens View Post
    My guess is that NVidia doesn't want to permit access to the un-neutered compute abilities of Titan at that much lower price point. AMD, on the other hand, has not restricted the compute performance of its cards. The fact that AMD is giving their compute performance away for much less than NVidia is the thing that hurts NVidia the most by eroding market share in their most valuable categories...and increases the likelihood that CUDA will lose traction in the market.
    They semi neutered the compute ability of this card or they changed the specs of the double precision unit.

    I believe the double precision which was previously 1/4 with the 7970 is now 1/8 which is still better than how neutered the gtx 780 is at 1/24.

    I wonder if they are going to even bother with a professional chip for this card. Usually pro chip come out quite a bit later and by them 20nm will be in talks.

    Also, I wonder if it is possible to put this chip into the new Mac Pros. This is really where it can hurt AMD having a high TDP. The Mac Pros are a lot more limited for cooling capacity in general and having this chip thermally regulated might turns its performance into tahiti by lowering the clocks.

    Plus having the heatsink shared by the CPU, and I have seen with some xenon e5 which are in the mac pro, have a max operating temperature of 81 degrees. Thus, having something that regularly wants to run at 95 degree's is going to increase the temperature of CPU beyond that capacity since its a shared heatsink, particularly if the singular heatsink is overwhelmed.
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    I doubt you'll see the 290 or 290x in a mac pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace123 View Post
    Umm... both the Gtx 780 and Titan in those benchmarks are running 3930k and quad channel memory..... the R9-290x is running a 3770k....
    Find some benchmarks running on the same system.
    because it is random result from some review on internet, we have no 290x here for testing, and yes - dp compute power on 780 ti will be disabled for ever. Titan will be still king for these usages. DP power of 290x is lower then 7970, it is disabled too.
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    If in doubt about the CPU, one can just look at the GPU subscore. That is unaffected by the processor.

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    thats not 100% true in my opinion
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