Broadwell-K coming to LGA1150 on Q4'14/Q1'15 ? - VRZone China

[Olivon]

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/87345/int...2014-10192013/

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[Ace123]

Lol you beat me to it

[xVeinx]

Is it just me, or is the discontinuity between X79 and X99 ominous? It's like it drops off the map entirely? Maybe that's a normal way to display roadmaps, but it seems weird to me...

[tajoh111]

I just hope 14nm turns out better than 22nm. 22nm made Intel improvement over their early product seem substandard for the enthusiast compared to their earlier efforts.

Ivy-bridge and haswell clock worse than their predecessors(particularly percentage wise). I just just hope the problems associated with going smaller, don't become even more pronounced at 14nm. If it does become worse, there won't be a point even buying K series processors anymore.

Intel is their own worst enemy now. AMD hasn't really competing with them for a while now and the lack of improvement's on their own side just doesn't give incentive to upgrade. If you have a Sandybridge, you have had no incentive to upgrade on the desktop platform at all(mobiles been a different story from the increases in GPU performance and better power consumption). Unless 14nm works out, I don't see broadwell bringing the performance either.

So does this mean waiting for skylake which is 2 years from now if we want a real incentive from Sandy bridge?

I think 14nm is what makes or breaks, CPU sales, if Intel architecture remains improving at the rate it has lately.

[MaddMuppet]

I just hope 14nm turns out better than 22nm. 22nm made Intel improvement over their early product seem substandard for the enthusiast compared to their earlier efforts.

Ivy-bridge and haswell clock worse than their predecessors(particularly percentage wise). I just just hope the problems associated with going smaller, don't become even more pronounced at 14nm. If it does become worse, there won't be a point even buying K series processors anymore.

Intel is their own worst enemy now. AMD hasn't really competing with them for a while now and the lack of improvement's on their own side just doesn't give incentive to upgrade. If you have a Sandybridge, you have had no incentive to upgrade on the desktop platform at all(mobiles been a different story from the increases in GPU performance and better power consumption). Unless 14nm works out, I don't see broadwell bringing the performance either.

So does this mean waiting for skylake which is 2 years from now if we want a real incentive from Sandy bridge?

I think 14nm is what makes or breaks, CPU sales, if Intel architecture remains improving at the rate it has lately.

I think we are at the point, or getting to the point of very little returns based on this architecture. A whole new design of the CPU itself maybe needed. I'm just not holding out, thinking the move to 14nm is going to yield anything new as far as a big leap in performance is concerned.

[nossy23]

I think we are at the point, or getting to the point of very little returns based on this architecture. A whole new design of the CPU itself maybe needed. I'm just not holding out, thinking the move to 14nm is going to yield anything new as far as a big leap in performance is concerned.

If they wanted they could go for more cores and a better design for cooling, which would allow higher clocks. That would already be a good upgrade.

[lowfat]

Just because it is LGA1150 doesn't mean current Z87 motherboards will support them.

[Olivon]

Broadwell LGA 1150 is Z97-only product AFAIK

[Ace123]

Haswell refresh from what I understand will be compatible with Z97 but not current haswell processors.

[Olivon]

You understand wrong.
Just look the second picture (Haswell Refreh + Haswell + Broadwell)

[nossy23]

Seems like the way they have made this, I will not upgrade until Skylake. Intel does not want my money. I used to buy a new CPU every year.

[Ace123]

You understand wrong.
Just look the second picture (Haswell Refreh + Haswell + Broadwell)

Broadwell, the successor to Intel's current Haswell processors, is supposed to hit notebooks next year. It looks like desktop users will have to wait, though. Leaked slides suggest Broadwell won't be available in a desktop-friendly socket next year; instead, we'll supposedly have to make do with refreshed Haswell processors and an updated 9-series chipset.

Apart from its rumored SATA Express support, we haven't heard much about the 9-series platform. Now, however, documents published by VR-Zone indicate that the chipset will be compatible with Broadwell. They also suggest the 9-series platform may be incompatible with current Haswell chips. The excerpts detail pin assignments for motherboard makers, including several related to a new VCCST power supply. If Intel is changing how power is routed to the processor, backward compatibility may not be possible.

Tellingly, there's no mention of current-generation Haswell processors. The documents only make references to Broadwell and "Haswell Refresh."

Interestingly, the motherboard implementation guidelines specifically detail support for "Broadwell LGA H 2-chip LGA processors." H-series Haswell chips combine the processor die with a separate eDRAM chip on the same package. The embedded DRAM provides gobs of bandwidth for the CPU's integrated graphics, and it looks like Intel's plans for that tag team may extend to traditional desktop systems.

http://techreport.com/news/25275/9-s...d-haswell-cpus

I had read several articles stating the same as this. If its wrong, its wrong. I wonder how the pin assignments changed, and how they designed to Z97 socket to support both current gen, and next gen if the second picture is accurate. Is that an official Intel document?

[Metroid]

Ivy-bridge and haswell clock worse than their predecessors(particularly percentage wise)

"The Conroe architecture offered first-rate performance and very reasonable power consumption, but it was far from perfect. Admittedly, the conditions under which it was developed weren't ideal. When Intel realized its Pentium 4 was a dead-end, it had to reinvent an architecture in a hurry, something that's far from easy for a company the size of Intel. The team of engineers in Haifa, Israel that, up until then had had responsibility for mobile architectures, was suddenly responsible for providing a design that would power the entire new line of Intel processors. It was a challenging task for the team, which now bore Intel's future on its shoulders. Given those conditions, with the tight schedule they had to stick to and the pressure they were under, the results that the Intel engineers achieved are remarkable. The situation also explains why the team had to make some compromises."

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-cpu,2041.html

[vitchilo]

Intel is a joke. If they wanted, they could sell 30+ cores cpu for mainstream at the price they are selling their 6 cores right now... but they don't cause they have no competition. I wish another company would come out of nowhere and make Intel cry for their mommies.

[zalbard]

Intel is a joke. If they wanted, they could sell 30+ cores cpu for mainstream at the price they are selling their 6 cores right now... but they don't cause they have no competition. I wish another company would come out of nowhere and make Intel cry for their mommies.

Intel is a business.

[lizardmech]

Intel is a business.

They're sabotaging their own market though. They ceased providing meaningful updates to hardware for years on end then cry when consumers buy mobile devices that are constantly doubling in performance almost yearly.

[Hornet331]

They're sabotaging their own market though. They ceased providing meaningful updates to hardware for years on end then cry when consumers buy mobile devices that are constantly doubling in performance almost yearly.

you can easly "double your performances" from nearly zero, mobile devices will hit the same wall as normal cpus, and even faster then the others did, because they are even more constraint by power then normal cpus.

[PatRaceTin]

Oh new mobo again (Both intel and amd)

[vario]

I know intel is a business, but greed is not always good.I would buy intel today, if they would throw me a bone or some cores .How in the right mind i can recommend people with nehalems or sandybridge to "upgrade" ?
Throw some money at intel in order to achieve almost the same performance ?Eghm.Nowadays i only recommend SSD`s, ram ,and GPU`s.

Maybe someone knows, will broadwells for 1150 have 6-more cores ?Or is it still the same damn thing.

[crash5s]

They're sabotaging their own market though. They ceased providing meaningful updates to hardware for years on end then cry when consumers buy mobile devices that are constantly doubling in performance almost yearly.

The move to mobile had nothing to do with intel. Once laptops became good enough if the desktop was as done as snail mail and the fax. The closer tablets and smartphones get to good enough the more done laptops will be. That's a failure of form factors with consumers moving to smaller ones because that's the future. People don't want to check email, use facebook, and do most of their computing on a desktop when they can do it on a mobile. No amount of performance from intel is going to change this.

Now creating a really amazing mobile chip, that makes more sense for them.