Need help getting back on me feet!

[Mtemel]

hi all

so i recently bought a 9590 fx processor as some of may of read in a previous post i made

to cut a long story short i have no clue what i am doing any more! :P, i used to have pretty decent knowledge back in the old days, i had a fx57, gskill FF, with dfi lanparty combo and i was running around 315 x 10 with 2,3,3,6 timings etc (i m sure some of you will remeber these days!) and often i played around with bios and was pretty much comfortable with everything.

now i just have basic knowledge and thats it!, so in the recent times i just more or less stuck with stand settings.

well now i bought this 9590 (bearing in mind i just thought i was going to plug this thing in with stock cooling and it would run 5ghz with no issues, like every other recent amd cpu, just buy it run it at stock speeds) it seems that you need to know a bit before you can get this thing to run at its stock 5ghz speed!!!

after initial installation i booted and pc just crashed b4 it got to windows, i noticed at this point heat sink was HOT, so i boot up into bios and go to temps and was horrified to see 65c just whilst in bios!
so the 1st thing i learned after speaking with the experts (thats you guys!) is i needed a water block for this cpu :O
I have now installed Corsair h100i.... so i booted up pc and all is well turned off amd turbo and cool n quite stuff and its 100 stable at 4700 mhz 23.5 x 200 with 1.5125 volts, this is the standard it sets itself. the temps i now have are 27c whilst idle in windows and around 41c imediately after running 3dmark (cant see what it is whislt running dont have any prog to do this) so i am happy with that.

is there anyone out there with Asus CHV and one of these CPU's and have good knowledge to maybe help me get back on track with things?

i just want to be able to run this cpu and memory as optimally as possible! where do i start?!

any help would be greatly appreciated

muz

[Mtemel]

i just cant get this cpu to run stable @ 5 ghz, normally i could just use asus chv auto tune to get an overclock that would be stable on my previous cpu's but even that dont work with this cpu:<

my temps are really low now did some tweaking with my h100i and now temps dont really seem to go above 36c so i dont get what my problem is

has anybody please got any advise for a poor noob?

[The Stilt]

You are looking the wrong "temperature".
There is no way a FX-9590 is running at 36 celsius on a proper water cooler, let alone a H100i.

Thats the tCTL value you are looking.
tCTL is not an actual temperature but a scaling value instead.

Look at the CPU temperature with HWMonitor for example.
The spec is up to 62 celsius for a FX-9590.

[Mtemel]

is the asus chv AI suite not acurate? also the corsair link showing the same,

downloaded HWMonitor its showing the same as the above

[MacClipper]

temps dont really seem to go above 36c

Highly improbable with a H100i, perhaps try using other monitoring apps like hwinfo64, my preferred app at the moment.

[Mtemel]

i tried HWinfo64 and did a 15min cpu test loop on vantage and maximum was 43c on hwmon and hwinfo64 showed 42c maximum

this is with standard optimised default bios (4700 mhz 1.5 volts)

its like 8 degrees here atm and i do have some nice fans blowing over cpu and h100I fans running at 2300 rpm

how do i attach screen shots i tried but cant seem to do it

edit
oh and thanks for the tip on both these tools they are Awsome!! ty ty ty

[MacClipper]

OK, that sounds better with an ambient of 8C, a delta of what you got seems more probable. You will likely see higher temps with stress tools like Prime 95 Blend which load all cores heavily.

btw, you can also try undervolting the chip if you want lower load temps. Back then during my fun times with it, I ran my FX-9590 sample very stably at just 1.4375V BIOS on my Asrock 990FX Extreme9.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-d...n-preview.html

You should be able to greatly enjoy your new rig since you have a good mobo too!

[Johan45]

For a real stability test I find nothing beats these FX processors up like P95 blend test, The weak spot on these IMO is the IMC and is typically what throws things off track. As an example with my 9370 I can run Cinebench 11.5 @ almost 5100 with 1.368v but for a prime stable at 5.0 It needs 1.536v. Every chip is different so it'll take some time finding your stable point.

[Mtemel]

ok thanks for your comments guys i have been playing around with the settings in bios etc but still having trouble getting some decent clocks,

i have a couple of questions

cpu spread spectrum should it be disable or enable?

amd turbo core disable enable?

cool n quite disable enable?

do i change pcie frequency?

Ai overclock tuner should it be D.O.C.P or something?

should i up the north bridge or cpu /nb voltage or ht link speeds voltage needs upping? and their frquencies?

should i be trying to achieve high mem fsb with tighter timmings like the old days?

is my memory good enough Corsair vengeance 16gb cl9 1600? (i dont mind spending a bit of money if i dont have right hardware)

what timings should etc? command rate 1 i asume? and dram refresh rate? so many other dram setting i have no clue!

i have been reading many posts here with people achieving very nice results, and trying to learn from thier settings etc but i just dont have enough understanding at the moment to do this.

what i need is someone who have this mobo and cpu and is willing to give me the time just to guide me with some bios settings that help cpu over clock just to get me familier with this stuff again. if anyone has the time or patients to help please PM me

i will be forever greatful <3

muz

[Johan45]

ok thanks for your comments guys i have been playing around with the settings in bios etc but still having trouble getting some decent clocks,

i have a couple of questions

cpu spread spectrum should it be disable or enable?

amd turbo core disable enable?

cool n quite disable enable?

do i change pcie frequency?

Ai overclock tuner should it be D.O.C.P or something?

should i up the north bridge or cpu /nb voltage or ht link speeds voltage needs upping? and their frquencies?

should i be trying to achieve high mem fsb with tighter timmings like the old days?

is my memory good enough Corsair vengeance 16gb cl9 1600? (i dont mind spending a bit of money if i dont have right hardware)

what timings should etc? command rate 1 i asume? and dram refresh rate? so many other dram setting i have no clue!

i have been reading many posts here with people achieving very nice results, and trying to learn from thier settings etc but i just dont have enough understanding at the moment to do this.

what i need is someone who have this mobo and cpu and is willing to give me the time just to guide me with some bios settings that help cpu over clock just to get me familier with this stuff again. if anyone has the time or patients to help please PM me

i will be forever greatful <3

muz

I'm assuming you're trying to get it to run stable at 5.0? The design is 4.7 with 5.0 turbo and not all cores will run in turbo. So 5.0 stable will more than likely require a few more volts. So first off

cpu spread spectrum should it be disable or enable? disable

amd turbo core disable enable? disable

cool n quite disable enable? disable also in the same section disable C1e C6 and APM

do i change pcie frequency? leave on auto

Ai overclock tuner should it be D.O.C.P or something? Don't use this it's an auto tuner.

For now don't worry about the ram 1600 is fine but these will get a bit of a boost in the 18-2000 range.
Go into the DIGI control section and set the LLC for the CPU to high or ultra high and the NB to high.
I would then test it on stock voltage settings and see how it reacts.

[Mtemel]

So 5.0 stable will more than likely require a few more volts. what kinda volts am i looking for? just a rough range ?

thank you johan!! i ll try and see how it goes much love <3

[Johan45]

For my 9370 it took 1.536v they're all different, trial and error

[FlanK3r]

or AMD overdrive stability test. I do not much trust PRIME 95 after Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge issues, what I remember there was no support for FX chips? The last OK PRIME was for Phenoms II time.

[Mtemel]

thaks for the tip flank3r u have it stable at 1.476 :o how have you do this! maybe you can give me some advise? i must be doing some settings wrong or maybe i need same memory as you,,, u seem to have same mobo and cpu combo even same cooler! can you please send me a pic of your bios settings or give me some tips ?

johan i tried those settings and still cant get 5.0ghz stable went upto 1.54 volts should i keep going higher volts?

maybe its dram timings or drive strength or ht link i dunno i m just guessing here

edit * i forgot to mention i have 2 x of these fx chips i will be sending 1 back, i want to keep the best 1 but i m too nooby to know how to test and see which one is best

[Johan45]

or AMD overdrive stability test. I do not much trust PRIME 95 after Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge issues, what I remember there was no support for FX chips? The last OK PRIME was for Phenoms II time.

As far as I know P95 works but it can be a real b**ch to get it stable. It's very hard on the memory controller. Certainly when you get into the higher MHz range.
So it depends on what "kind" of stability you need. Foe overall system stability I use F@H.

thaks for the tip flank3r u have it stable at 1.476 :o how have you do this! maybe you can give me some advise? i must be doing some settings wrong or maybe i need same memory as you,,, u seem to have same mobo and cpu combo even same cooler! can you please send me a pic of your bios settings or give me some tips ?

johan i tried those settings and still cant get 5.0ghz stable went upto 1.54 volts should i keep going higher volts?

maybe its dram timings or drive strength or ht link i dunno i m just guessing here

edit * i forgot to mention i have 2 x of these fx chips i will be sending 1 back, i want to keep the best 1 but i m too nooby to know how to test and see which one is best

What frequencies are you running for HT and NB stock i assume?? Put the NB up to 2400 and increase the CPU_NB volts to 1.2 -1.25ish. You might want to start a bit lower and work your way up to 5.0 For myself at 4.8 I needed 1.428v for prime stable 1,476 at 4.9 but 5.0 was tough. I ended up loosening some of my lower ned ram timings to help theIMC.

[AMDforME]

P95 works just fine on the FX CPUs. If you can't run it then your hardware is simply not stable. Many of us are running FX-8350s at 4.7+ GHz. 24/7, P95 stable.

IME you want to set the LLC to whatever gives the best vcore stability under load. CPU NB = ~1.3v, HT = ~1.25v, the vcore set to the lowest possible for stability as too much vcore even without overheating, causes Vishera CPUs to become unstable IME. Manual settings on pretty much all items is required. DIMM voltage should be +.05v from specified and the frequency at 1866 or 1600 until you sort all of the other parameters.

All of the above is after you are certain the CPU core temp is 62C or lower under P95. The VRM circuit on most highend AM3+ mobos are going to struggle with a 9590 so you may be limited to how long you can P95 stress test before the VRM starts to throttle the vcore and CPU frequency.

[vario]

I second the motion above.
Mtemel, P95 works just fine on FX cpus, its just hard, as it always was.Flanker really just doesnt like it cause it lowers his stable OC , the most problematic thing is temps of VRM and CPU with it,on some setups it isnt stable even at defaults for all,but it can be tweaked for full P95 (and overall system) stability.Ignoring P95 (or similar) will lead to instability sooner or later, and believe me ,after few hours of encoding you dont want to have that f-up :-/

[Mtemel]

"DIMM voltage should be +.05v from specified and the frequency at 1866 or 1600 until you sort all of the other parameters.

All of the above is after you are certain the CPU core temp is 62C or lower under P95."

i cant find where ht volts are and i cant find where to put dimm to be +.05v.

also can someone please take a screen shot and circle where the vcor temps are shown on hwmon just to make sure i have the temos correct?

thank you

[Mtemel]

so i have been trying and trying and trying again but keep failing, so i have been trying to get 4.8 for now,

trying the settings as advised in above posts disable spread spectrum, turbo core LLC to high etc etc ht2400 1.25v, nb 2400 1.3v,sett the cpu to 1600 x 24 and tested with volts upto 1.48 volts but pc keeps crashing whilst looking at these forums let alone any kind of stress tests.

This cpu cant be this bad can it?
it must be me! i even have another cpu to try but im sure its my lack of knowledge.

should i just keep putting more volts to cpu? would it respond like this if 1.48 volt is too high for this clock?

i hate my self right now :/ im thinking maybe i m just not supposed to do overclocking :<

i wish i could have one of you guys in my house for a few hours lol

edit* i have ran prime95 with total stock settings and it passes fine with temps as far i a can see (if im looking at the right part on HWMon) not going past 47c

UPdate. so put the clock back to 4700 with the setting i have been advised to try and it crahsed whislt reading this forum.
so it didnt like the settings i am trying (the settings in various posts above that i have been advised to try) i dont know what it didnt like so i m back to defaults with no idea whats going on again.
or what to do next :'(

[AbortRetryFail?]

I know I'm in the minority but I don't understand the obsession with Prime.

I use OCCT (which is LinPack) and it works just dandy. I've never had a single issue with a build that was "LinPack-Stable"

I've seen folks claim that LinPack crashed their systems when Prime would not, but I've never seen that myself. Prime does run much more 'hot' than LinPack and I suspect that's why some folks prefer it, and some don't.

OCCT has a neat charting function that tracks power delivery and 'ripple' - that's one reason I prefer it. I've found several 'brand-name' 80+ PSUs with volt-drops outside of spec during testing with OCCT. No better evidence for an RMA than that ...

I also 'multi-task' during stress-testing - recording a video, cruising the Internet, etc., which is about as 'real-world' as you can get.

I don't use FurMark, either. Same rationale. Why run components 10C more hot than you will ever see in the real world ?

I mean, r-e-a-l-l-y, do you ask an electrician to over-volt the wiring in your home and test the circuit breakers for temps?

Edit: Be certain that you have disabled Turbo and any other core-boost function -- Did you lock the PCIe to 100MHz?

[Mtemel]

i have noticed something strange that maybe causing my issues

i have set me volts to 1.53750 1st off this shows as vcore 1.488v on HWMon so the is a discrepency here i thought my volts were higher than they have been, why is different to what i am setting in bios?

I assume i should take the 1.488 as the real voltage?

now this is where it gets interesting....... when i run prime 95 these volts are changing from 1.488 up and down to as low as 1.416

what is causing this ? this i feel is where my problem lies! should the volts be changing like this?

whats going on here?!?

[Mtemel]

it seems ai suite is the problem with vots going up n down and showing wrong volts, if i put up the volts from here,it would cause volts to jump around, and it aso was showiing incorrect volts on volts slider bar. i have uninstalled it and set volts in bios and it seems ok now.

i still cant find where to put dimm to be +.05v. or how to change LLC to 75%

I have managed to get 4.8 stable with 1.429 volts and everything else in bios left as standard , and the only things i changed were turbo core, c6 state, cooln quite, c1e and apm all disabled.

so i leave these setting and trying 4.9 putting up volts to 1.48 and incrementing til i got to 1.56 volts and i cannot run prime and amd overdrive with out it crashing pc.

is it possible that this cpu is just rubish? (more than likely my overclocking that is rubush)

[Johan45]

Yes AI suite can be a real pain in the butt. I use it on my Benching OS just to keep upping the clocks but It will make things unstable. Glad you finally had some luck with the set-up. I wouldn't advise putting the CPU_NB up to 1.3 yet. I noticed a big difference betweern my 8350 and 9370 when it came to CPU_NB. The 8350 was happy at 1.3v the 9370 not so much. It seems to be a lot more sensitive to voltage in general. I got up to 1.25v for my 5.0 OC. Not sying that's exactly where you need to be just saying be careful of overvoltage as well. Even V_Core overvoltage makes it unstable.
If this is your bios here then you want DRAM voltage it's in the third bios image on that page.
Here's a shot of my 4.8G with HWmonitor open. The yellow box is the actual core temp of the CPU and the red box is the socket temp which picks up heat from the FETS/VRM section as well as the CPU.

[AMDforME]

P95 seems to be a little more strenuous than OCCT and Linpack, IME but results can vary by platform and hardware. If your system won't pass P95 it simply isn't 99.99% stable. For some folks that is fine.

Mtemel-

As far as overclocking is concerned nothing is guaranteed expecially with a FX-9000 series CPU which is just an overclocked FX-8350 CPU. Every piece of your hardware will impact your ability to OC this CPU. The BIOS settings will be the most important once you have a safe "core temp", aka "CPU package" temp. The variations in vcore voltages under load is probably the real issue. If you're mobo can not hold the vcore stable, you will be lucky to run the default frequency without issue as the FX-9000 series are extremely OC'd as removed from the box and they require a strong VRM circuit to handle the power draw of these specific CPUs.

As far as CPU NB you can start lower and work higher or vice-versa. IME, it's better to have a lower vcore and higher CPU NB than the other way around. Running vcore higher by itself can cause instability where CPU NB doesn't seem to do the same, IME. Each CPU seems to like one specific combination for optimal performance but you may never find it unless you test every possible combination... This IS overclocking after all.

You should certainly be able to adjust LLC, DIMM voltage and HT voltage in the Asus mobo BIOS.

[Mtemel]

thanks alot guys for you input <3 i have learn loads and really appreciate it.

so i agree the vore variations is the problem, after realising that ai suit is poop i have much more stable vcore volts under load, but there is still some small variations, im trying to work out what LLC to set atm hopefully i will find 1 that will take away the variations compleatley.

my temps are good after 45 min running prime blend at 4.8 ghz i finnally saw temps that are more consistant to what you guys are saying it hit 52c and thats with room temos of aroun 14c, so im confident once i find out a bit more about my mobo i can go higher.

johan thanks for the overvolts advise i was woundering if that was the case, i guess overclocking would be ez otherwise u could put volts up as high as possible then see how far your cpu can go!
the part about dram volts i can set volts to ram no problem, but i read this somewhere "dimm to be +.05v" i thought this was a generic setting that u put in so its always 0.5v more than you set it. but again im guessing here

also guys do i even need to increase dram volts? dont see why as im not going past 1600mhz and standard timings?

and do i need to change my ram timings to get better cpu overclock?

again i thank you for your time and pateince <3

oh and ps i was looking at the red box for temps not the yellow so thanks for that screen shot johan!

muz