Matose benchmarks Intel Z3770 monster tablet SOC

[Monstru]

Well, as you all know, IDF is going on as we speak and everybody is looking forward for infor regarding Baytrail and Broadwell. Our colleague Matose is in San Francisco and he benchmarked a Baytrail-T tablet for our readers. The results are...well...huge is quite an understatement... The new Intel Tablet SoC looks like a mighty beast indeed!!!

IDF 2013 - Baytrail-T Z3770 benchmarked | next.lab501.ro

36269 in AnTuTu looks reaaaally promising...

[kromosto]

i like cinebench score too. it is great for a 2.5w processor.

[Olivon]

For the first time, Atom is really competitive product. It takes time ...

[Fottemberg]

130$ ... I got 4 Snapdragon 800 for the same price.

[M.Beier]

I'd hit that if it was 10W and 4 times the power... Need more for my 1440p videos running on CPU

[kl0012]

More reviews:
http://techreport.com/review/25329/i...l-soc-revealed
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Process...vermont-Arrive
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4792...tition-for-arm
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/i...m-z3770-tested

Prices:
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/fa...tablet-preview
Acer W3-810

Codename: Cheetah
Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 8-inch, 1280 x 800
Battery: 8 hours
Weight: 1.2 pounds
Thickness: .45 inches
Price: $349

ASUS Transformer Book Trio T100TA

Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 10.1-inch, 1366 x 768
Battery: 12 hours
Weight: 2.2 pounds
Thickness: .9 inches
Price: $329

Dell Venue

Codename: Bellair
Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 8-inch, 1280 x 800 IPS
Battery: 10+ hours
Weight: .88 pounds
Thickness: .35 inches
Price: $299

Dell (unnamed)

Codename: Midland
Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 10.8-inch, 1920 x 1080
Battery: 9 hours, replaceable battery
Weight: 1.65 pounds
Thickness: .4 inches
Price: $399

Lenovo Miix 8

Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 8-inch, 1280 x 800 IPS
Battery: 8hours
Weight: .77 pounds
Thickness: .31 inches
Price: $249

Lenovo Miix 2

Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail"
Screen: 10.1-inch, 1366 x 768
Battery: 8 hours
Weight: 1.3 pounds
Thickness: .4 inches
Price: $449

Toshiba Encore

Codename: Malta
Platform: Intel Atom "Bay Trail," up to 1.8 GHz
Screen: 8-inch, 1280 x 800 IPS
Battery: 6-7 hours
Weight: 1 pound
Thickness: unknown
Price: $329

[Tao~]

Just notice the comparison with Jaguar cores - almost same perf at half power. AMD is getting a beating across the whole CPU segment - their GPU is holding them in the game (the consoles that is). ATi was a smart acquisition
On a sidenote, I am really excited to see what Merrifield can do - maybe Snapdragon 600 level of perf ?

[kl0012]

130$ ... I got 4 Snapdragon 800 for the same price.

Recommended customer price: $37

[Fottemberg]

Recommended customer price: $37

Great! So Intel sells the SoC in the red. Z3770 target price should be 120/130$ (As the old Z560, 144$). The end of an Era. Where AMD failed, ARM succeeds.

[Iconyu]

Great! So Intel sells the SoC in the red. Z3770 target price should be 120/130$ (As the old Z560, 144$). The end of an Era. Where AMD failed, ARM succeeds.

Intel didn't price to kill AMD, but they are sure going for it with ARM. ARM will be hard to kill, as they are fabless and only sell designs, so to win on price Intel really has to make building ARM chips look unattractive.

[[XC] Lead Head]

Great! So Intel sells the SoC in the red. Z3770 target price should be 120/130$ (As the old Z560, 144$). The end of an Era. Where AMD failed, ARM succeeds.

Do you really think it even costs them $37 to make one of those? At a "recommended customer price" of $37, Intel probably sells them for $25-30. While it wouldn't surprise me if the cost to manufacture them was less far less than $20

[god_43]

.....they should have tested against temash 4 core soc, instead of the 15w kabini. once again review sites fail to show proper apples to apples.

[STaRGaZeR]

.....they should have tested against temash 4 core soc, instead of the 15w kabini. once again review sites fail to show proper apples to apples.

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4792...ovray-and-x264

Same beating here.

[Fottemberg]

Do you really think it even costs them $37 to make one of those? At a "recommended customer price" of $37, Intel probably sells them for $25-30. While it wouldn't surprise me if the cost to manufacture them was less far less than $20

2008: Z560 (Silverthorne) Die Size about 26 mm2 @ 144$
2012: Z2480 (Medfield) Die Size about 65 mm2 @ about 80$
2013: Z3770 (Bay Trail-T) Die Size about 105 mm2 @ 37$

22nm process is more expansive than the 32nm one.

[AliG]

I couldn't be happier about this; I think it's time to take the plunge and get a windows 8 tablet (so glad to be done with my HP laptop)

[stuffme]

I wonder when we are getiing mobos with bay trail processors for serious NAS building?

[TimPrice]

Next stop: a x86 phone

[STaRGaZeR]

2008: Z560 (Silverthorne) Die Size about 26 mm2 @ 144$
2012: Z2480 (Medfield) Die Size about 65 mm2 @ about 80$
2013: Z3770 (Bay Trail-T) Die Size about 105 mm2 @ 37$

22nm process is more expansive than the 32nm one.

You didn't answer his question, those are recommended customer prices, not manufacturing prices.

[Fottemberg]

Customer price lower AND bigger die size = less profit. I want to say only that.

[Aberration]

Customer price lower AND bigger die size = less profit. I want to say only that.

Bigger wafer, faster throughput, higher yield = more profit

[Fottemberg]

Bigger wafer, faster throughput, higher yield = more profit

32nm has higher yeld than 22nm. 22nm is more expansive than 32nm. From my chinese sources, nothing official.

P.S. The wafers are the same, 300mm.

[[XC] Lead Head]

Customer price lower AND bigger die size = less profit. I want to say only that.

Less profit is not the same thing as selling a product at a loss. Semiconductors are shockingly cheap to manufacture. If you search around the internet, that Z560 only cost about $6-8 per chip for intel to manufacture, package and ship. Probably even less as it reached end-of-line.

Sure this new chip has a far bigger die, but manufacturing, process and yield improvements drive costs down. You can bet Intel is still making a solid profit on each one sold.

32nm has higher yeld than 22nm. 22nm is more expansive than 32nm. From my chinese sources, nothing official.

P.S. The wafers are the same, 300mm.

Too bad Intel doesn't have a 22nm fab in China. The only fab in China Intel has is a 65nm plant. Intel's 22nm plants are in Oregon and Israel. So as far as I'm concerned, your "Chinese sources" are worthless.

[STaRGaZeR]

There is no doubt the profit on these parts is a lot lower than Haswell or previous Atom chips, in the market the are trying to enter there is no room for higher prices (if they want to be successful of course). I've always liked how cheap the ARM stuff is.

[Fottemberg]

For Intel sells their own CPUs at these price is like to sell these in the red, as Jerry Rogers (CEO of Cyrix) said in the distant 1998.


The best semiconductors analysts live/work in China/Japan.

[Iconyu]

32nm has higher yeld than 22nm. 22nm is more expansive than 32nm. From my chinese sources, nothing official.

P.S. The wafers are the same, 300mm.

Intel use the same dies for the quad and dual cores, the yield would have to be disastrous for them to dip below 90% usable chips from each wafer. As I imagine the dual cores will big the bigger shipping SKU, they'll be lasering good cores to meet demand.