Let's not ruin a good thing here.

[BeepBeep2]

Two years ago, this section boomed like crazy, Phenom II X4 was all the rage, then X6 became a hit with the guys to have fun with and everyone was excited and happy about the extensive data gathering and experience sharing that went on here. The most genius marketing guy I've seen in 64NOMIS, and lots of AMD overclocking fun. Pushing limits was cool, and AMD liked it too.

Now it has fallen off a cliff in terms of activity, and the activity that does happen seems to be pointless, or come from the mouths of armchair experts that believe things happen the way they dream them up to happen.

So, we should get this section moving again, with relevant discussions, sharing relevant info with our logical experiences, not talking like asshat fanboys that can't even handle some minor and constructive criticism

My advice:
Stay fresh and humble. Don't act like you're above someone all the time, with the exception of people being absolutely stupid, past ignorance.
Answer real questions with real answers and ask real questions expecting real answers. Stuff that can be backed up easily.
Also, sometimes, just because you know what the parts of something does, doesn't mean you're an expert on them. If you have a basic understanding of car parts and how they work, and didn't do more to your car than install some new spark plugs and air intake, that probably doesn't mean you're ready to start advising people on how to work on and tune their cars.

[Daveburt714]

Hey Beep, long time no see...

I think a big part of the problem is that there just hasn't been anything exciting to talk about in a while. Even on the Intel side, improvements have been minimal.
I'm glad to see that AMD has brought back some of the folks responsible for the Athlon64. Hopefully, on die GPU (APU/SOC) will make things interesting again.

As for folks talking about hanging on to the AMx socket, when you think about it, it's probably time to let it go...
When it comes right down to it, AMx goes all the way back to socket 939 (10+ years)!

I'm sure most AMD fans appreciate the backward compatibility thing (I know I do), but if there are improvements to be made by changing sockets so be it....

I'd hate to see AMD give up on the enthusiast market because they've always been trail blazers.
Hopefully that won't happen! I say bring on a new socket and give it enough pins that we can have another 10 years of backward compatability!

[FlanK3r]

I can not believe for Il never see AMD FX Steamroller...Hope not. We living for it

[haylui]

hopefully hUMA/HSA will bring another performance gusher

[demonkevy666]

I use to be an "AMD Enthusiast" till I took a "Performance Buyer" to the knee.

[BeepBeep2]

Hey Beep, long time no see...

I think a big part of the problem is that there just hasn't been anything exciting to talk about in a while. Even on the Intel side, improvements have been minimal.
I'm glad to see that AMD has brought back some of the folks responsible for the Athlon64. Hopefully, on die GPU (APU/SOC) will make things interesting again.

As for folks talking about hanging on to the AMx socket, when you think about it, it's probably time to let it go...
When it comes right down to it, AMx goes all the way back to socket 939 (10+ years)!

I'm sure most AMD fans appreciate the backward compatibility thing (I know I do), but if there are improvements to be made by changing sockets so be it....

I'd hate to see AMD give up on the enthusiast market because they've always been trail blazers.
Hopefully that won't happen! I say bring on a new socket and give it enough pins that we can have another 10 years of backward compatability!

Dave, this is true and it isn't.
Lower end APUs are so cheap...and lots of fun to overclock!

The big problem is that AMD has lost it's relevance in the midrange desktop market, 22nm Intel chips smack AMD's 32nm chips to hell and back, hell, even Phenom II X6 was better or more efficient in some tasks until Piledriver.

Trust me, it is so much fun to kill a $40 CPU, because the experience in pushing the CPU to the limit is worth the $40. 2v on a 32nm part at -190c is just exhilarating, so is pushing $60 DDR3 near 3800 MHz

I'd rather do that than go to two baseball games, for example.

We once had something here where many members had the same hardware and checked in almost every day to see what was new, to see what someone accomplished, etc. It was great.

Phenom II X6 was nothing special compared to a 2600K, but they were fun!

AMD is still fun.
Overclocking is fun, this is XtremeSystems.
I have just as much fun pushing an HD 3450 in 3DMark01 as I do pushing a 7970, except I wouldn't use the HD 3450 for anything else which makes it hard for people to justify purchasing AMD products.

[FlanK3r]

Beep, Piledriver is OK, he scaling better in practice (of course, big part is higher clock of this architecture)
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/piledr...iew-32759.html

FX-4300 is better than x4 965 BE (without/with OC), near x4 965 BE is Athlon x4 750K "Trinity" now. Interesting review.

[BeepBeep2]

I know that PD is okay, but compared to Haswell it is no match whatsoever for many tasks, and power efficiency

AMD kind of sunk their own boat with BD and can't quite catch up fast enough...

[NEOAethyr]

I haven't really cared for any of there stuff since there dual cores came out.
Or since the the 754 really.

Ever since they have been kinda bleh.

I remember the 939, I had the dfi, and my buddy had the dfi.
Mine was china made, his taiwan.
Mine had stuttering issues, his had clicky sound issues.
Both boards were garbage.

I still got my lpa and lpb boards.
I can't dev for them unless I'm on win2k3, win7 and above is a nogo for dev on my end.

I was working on a setting int he bios which allowed you to change sip code, you might called it strap these days I don't know.
It was working somewhat, but once every 4 reboots or so it would get a screwed up cmos (I don't know what is up with the changing cmos).
Then it would just get stuck on a sip because of the cmos value being changed mid boot.

The idea, if someone preferred a sip form another bios like tictac's xt bios for example, they just switch to that.
That and I could make some test sips as well, for people using SS.
But I gave that up because of time.

In the end, I found my sata wasn't working anymore.
Apparently it was a common complaint about my bios.
I had tried to work on that prob and got to the point where all my code was commented out and it was compiling a perfect copy of an original bios, and that worked.
But I gotta go back and redo everything one step at a time.

That'll be the only amd board's I'll probably evre mess with again.

As for the newer ones.
Like this board I got now for example, the chivf, 1st 2 years or so of having this board has given me been much trouble.
I got it underclocked cpu and mem, and it still f's up once in awhile.
I just think this board is not 100%, and that's why I don't like messing with it.

As for new amd stuff, personally I think a waste of time.
That'll probably be my opinion for the next 5 years.

To me it's like comparing an old ibm intel setp to a packward bell intel setup.
The packward bell is 40% slower and runs like crap.
That's how amd looks my eyes these days, defective.
It just feels like it.
Sad, I think, I just don't trust the stability of amd's, anbd some benchs online so far seem to indicate that amd is around 40% slower so .

Edit:
It's about fall now, getting cold at night, and it's my house lol.
I guess for the heck of it I'll try to play with it tonight, my chivf and 1090t.
I figure why not, the board and cpu are being handed down as soon as I get my hands on the intel I plan on getting.

I'de like to see 4.7 or 4.8ghz again on this cpu of mine.
It has a hard time clocking to 4.5ghz these days for some reason.
Weird thing is it was stable enough at one time at those speeds.

I was just thinking though, my rad fan speeds are running on 5v, to loud otherwise.
Eh screw it I can still clock without opening my case.

[NEOAethyr]

I figured instead of opening my window late night and having my house super cold for the remainder of the night and morning, I would just take a nap and clock in the mornng while its still cool out.

Well for one it wasn't as cold out in the morning, but it should be cold enough...

I couldn't get to the boot menu in linux or windows at 4.75ghz for some reason.
4.5 was easy peasy, but way unstable, weird, I loaded up the 99% stable profile that I had for it...

Chipset temps skyrocketed, fans on my rad are apparently jammed (I up'ed the speed and man did they rattle my case).

I don't really wanna fool with it anymore.
A real goal would of been getting the 3.3ghz nb, 2133mhz mem, and 4.5ghz cpu working all together instead of just one at a time.

I'm just not up for the idea of taking apart my rig to clean it up and to redo my tim on the chipset.
My pc is just covered in dust though lol, I can wipe off chunks of it with my finger it's so bad .

Anyways I think I give up.

[demonkevy666]

I figured instead of opening my window late night and having my house super cold for the remainder of the night and morning, I would just take a nap and clock in the mornng while its still cool out.

Well for one it wasn't as cold out in the morning, but it should be cold enough...

I couldn't get to the boot menu in linux or windows at 4.75ghz for some reason.
4.5 was easy peasy, but way unstable, weird, I loaded up the 99% stable profile that I had for it...

Chipset temps skyrocketed, fans on my rad are apparently jammed (I up'ed the speed and man did they rattle my case).

I don't really wanna fool with it anymore.
A real goal would of been getting the 3.3ghz nb, 2133mhz mem, and 4.5ghz cpu working all together instead of just one at a time.

I'm just not up for the idea of taking apart my rig to clean it up and to redo my tim on the chipset.
My pc is just covered in dust though lol, I can wipe off chunks of it with my finger it's so bad .

Anyways I think I give up.

I've found I can just use turbo for times like that.

[tbone8ty]

Where are the fx-9370 reviews?

[Evantaur]

i remember when i joined to XS, clicked "read new"..tons of posts, and when i finished reading those and hit refresh, there was already a full page worth new reading

[Johan45]

I wandered in here a few months ago when my usual forum got slow. Summer is a busy time for people. But there really hasn't been much to post on. I'm strictly an AMD guy and they have been less than stellar in the last few years but I do help a lot of people getting their new systems up and running. If AMD neglects the PC Entusiast for a while I expect this and other AMD forums will probably all but dry up. I don't think it really matters which forum it is there just isn't enough interest in the AMD offerings of late. Mostly people like my self who for whatever reason have just always stuck to AMD.
Over at ClassicPlatforms they did an AMD only bench contest and the winner got a de-lidded FX-6100. It did get a few people over to the site but it's still stagnant. I've posted a few times it's days before anyone reads or responds. I don't know if anything like that might help you guy's here but.... People need a reason to keep checking in if there's nothing going on then how do you keep people interested.

One thing I do know is that everyone needs to feel welcome and that their posts matter reguardless of the quality or they just won't go back..

[FlanK3r]

So, we can try again reborn of some benchmarks (3DMark 06/11/Fire Strike, wprime 1024M, Superpi air/watter ?) And some interesting photos of machines

[BeepBeep2]

Interesting takes guys.

[i found nemo]

huge diff between nowadays and " back in the day " is memory. back then when people learned how to adjust timings on amd in windows, and bios it was new. amd ( afaik ) introduced mem tweaking into the pc community by leaving so many options adjustable. my nf3-250gb had like 20+ ram tweaking options plus 3 or 4 options for mem controller in the bios. now the ram is so fast, and the nb's so blazing that there is no need to tweak, unless you run into stability issues.

[FlanK3r]

there is interesting thread about oldschool Athlon XP vs Athlon (Opteron) 64

http://pctforum.tyden.cz/viewtopic.p...12127#p8521456
http://pctforum.tyden.cz/viewtopic.p...12127#p8520935

[imamage]

I feel sad but my Real life issue with busy + long working hours, plus recent years of lack than stella product from AMD makes me quit

If you ask if I give up on AMD ? Maybe , as a die-hard AMD fan (even all my laptop is AMD processor lol )

hell , I used to have a 1090T and it shines , once the Bulldozer mess out ,
I almost give up on AMD , I like their APU but they lack of processing power and multi-thread performance

The major problem is even with APU as their main focus, it's harder to convince regular joe to buy APU
when the "blue" side offering is faster and less power hungry

I guess I don't have interest + time to toy around anymore.

[Kobaltrock]

Two years ago, this section boomed like crazy, Phenom II X4 was all the rage, then X6 became a hit with the guys to have fun with and everyone was excited and happy about the extensive data gathering and experience sharing that went on here. The most genius marketing guy I've seen in 64NOMIS, and lots of AMD overclocking fun. Pushing limits was cool, and AMD liked it too.

Now it has fallen off a cliff in terms of activity, and the activity that does happen seems to be pointless, or come from the mouths of armchair experts that believe things happen the way they dream them up to happen.

The problem is, there is virtually nothing new going on with AMD that concerns people on this forum, they won't have a product out that is in line with the competition for the foreseeable future, and it looks like they have changed gears going for the mobile market (tablets/laptops). However, since their CPUs don't have enough "oomph", OEMs rather pair intel +nvidia parts together since they get the performance that most people want, and it looks better on paper.

Or in other words, we (the community) didn't ruin a good thing, AMD kneecapped the community, and are now AWOL until they can come back with something that is at least as good as what the other side has in terms of CPU speed, without sucking down 10x more watts.

[ReKcOlNu]

FWIW, I was cleaning out my PC closet and found these old posters in there...

[BeepBeep2]

Or in other words, we (the community) didn't ruin a good thing, AMD kneecapped the community, and are now AWOL until they can come back with something that is at least as good as what the other side has in terms of CPU speed, without sucking down 10x more watts.

Actually, you're right to an extent, but I'm talking some about the fact that a few people in this section like to make things up and act like things are happening or are possible that aren't...some are being absolutely delusional having pointless conversations.

[FlanK3r]

Old Opteron series in destop was awesome. Everyone wanted Opterons, it was dream for s939 ...But still do not know what AMD can bring to us. Never say never...Example Vishera was better boost than 22nm Ivy Bridge after 32nm Sandy Bridge (and not only because Vishera has higher clocks...). It was a bit surprise for disappointed fans (after Bulldozer reality).

Still its OK, in new aplications seems Vishera strong not much from i7, sometimes better. The mainproblem could be - latency in cache systems, too long pipeline, big die size (because for die size is power consumprtion of FX very good). So they must increase IPC somehow. After will be FX example around +15% better in oldschool single threads and more better in mutltithreads because 4CU/8C is more effective than 4C/8t...

[TheBlueChanell]

This is true, I used to frequent the AMD section on this forum daily. Anytime I've checked back recently it's just been a bunch of arguing or speculation posts. The latter can be fun but there really hasn't even been any news worth speculating on recently. Both of my existing AMD rigs (X6 1090T and FX 8350) have been delegated to server/VM duty and my Intel chips have taken the hot seat in my gaming rigs.

That being said, I'm looking forward to Kaveri and Steamroller FX should it exist.

[FlanK3r]

APUs are good, but its low or mainstream pcs as Intel Pentium dualcore and core i3. Its fun in OC, but AMD gamers and enthusiast need SR FX or some similar for high performance...