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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg83 View Post
    supply and demand, and costs associated with initial line switch and programming of a short run.
    plus bf4 limited edition package etc.

    price will be $650 w/o bf4. for near 7990 w/o crossfire perf.

    in the new year we'll see nvidia slower 780GTX price to ~500's and the 290X will be in the ~450 shortly after. when large production runs of the line can occur.
    Yeah, $650 I can do if EK prices the water block at ~$110 like the 7970's. It won't be anywhere near 7990 ...you know... It will be like Titan up against 7990. There is a-lot of power to be harnessed in crossfire...but your only going to see it in AAA titles. Ah, I've tried sli and Crossfire twice and immediately sent them back within the first week (goddamn mechanical keyboards are awesome...sorry I just got it). I'm done waiting. I sold my 7950 over three months ago hoping the R9 woulld be here by the end of September (I got $289 for a used Powercolor 7950)...3 months is a long.LONG. LONG time to be using intel's HD 4000. I want to push BF4 at a consistent 120 fps so I can use Samsusngs frame sequential mode to eliminate motion blur (same thing as LightBoost 2D) with Ultra High settings 1080p of course since its a 3D monitor feature. I know the R9 will come close but it the end it just won't "consistently" push 120fps. On the other hand, a 7990 will, and if it falls short I can throw another 7970 in the box filling all of the Gene V's PCIE 3.0 slots and certainly average above 120fps on any server...roughly costing $1300 with water blocks. But, tri-fire scaling I think falls flat like a logarithm graph.... But two R9s (~$1500 with water blocks) would scale well like crossfire does and I bet an R9 Crossfire system would end up performing as good as if not better than a tri-fire 7970 setup. Or, I can just keep the R9s on air and $1300 for the set. I don't want to spend $1300 though, and certainly if i'm not taking advantage of my water loop for cooling. So many decisions...I wish they made crossfire combos where the slave card is just a bare bones GPU with no video outputs....and/or cards with a water block instead of air or just a bare card with no cooling so I could configure the cards the way I want without paying for things I don't need or will never use. Just like LED back-lit keyboards should have multi-color led so you can choose your own color. Even getting the keyboard exactly as you want is impossible....We need fiber-optic interconnects already...out with the copper and in with the light, then we will see some really fast single gpu cards. Well, I put $700 in my pay pal account and I put two 7970s in my shopping cart, but I didn't push the check-out button. I will wait and see what this R9 can do and how it scales in crossfire.
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    Pre order your R9 290X for the low low price of 12 grand.
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    Well, sorry to be a bust but....I just ordered two new MSI 7970s from newegg for $576 and I get two $20 mail in rebates (but only1 per-house). Two EK water blocks is $214 so... I feel confident I will get better performance than one R9...and I can always disable one card this way in the case of Negative returns in crossfire scaling. It has been a pleasure but I don't want to be a victim of price-fixing this year. Being water cooled (more importantly the VRMs being water cooled) I will have absolutely no heat issues like I had previously with my air cooled 6970s. Hope you guys enjoy your R9s when they are release...I will probably end up skipping the R9 completely and wait for the 22nm gpu release from AMD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DefStar View Post
    Well, sorry to be a bust but....I just ordered two new MSI 7970s from newegg for $576 and I get two $20 mail in rebates (but only1 per-house). Two EK water blocks is $214 so... I feel confident I will get better performance than one R9...and I can always disable one card this way in the case of Negative returns in crossfire scaling. It has been a pleasure but I don't want to be a victim of price-fixing this year. Being water cooled (more importantly the VRMs being water cooled) I will have absolutely no heat issues like I had previously with my air cooled 6970s. Hope you guys enjoy your R9s when they are release...I will probably end up skipping the R9 completely and wait for the 22nm gpu release from AMD.
    That's a very nice price, and sound reasoning, I hope you enjoy your new cards.

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    I believe the next jump is to 20nm, which may be out next year. Me personally I'm waiting for die shrink. Can't buy anything as I'm a REDACTED who is working and not getting paid ATM.
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    I delete my post too , it have nothing to do with this topic, saying it is out of topic is not even right. lets keep politic in a politic discussion.
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    Deleted. Not the place for this .
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    Yeah... let's not get politics in here. NOT a good road to go down, and has nothing to do with the topic.
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    Good point. I'll edit my post out just so it doesn't attract extra chatter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefStar View Post
    And, I really like the LightBoost 2D. I can kind of do the same thing with my Samsung monitor (Frame Sequential 3D mode) and an AMD card...but its a $600 monitor (I got a C grade refurb. for $300) and only Samsung monitors can do it. Any LightBoost monitor is only like $200.
    An app called Strobelight came out this summer that allows 2D/3D Lightboost with AMD cards. I've been using it with an Asus VG248QE for a few months and it works very well with a pair of 7970s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfear View Post
    An app called Strobelight came out this summer that allows 2D/3D Lightboost with AMD cards. I've been using it with an Asus VG248QE for a few months and it works very well with a pair of 7970s.
    I heard of the program but thought it was for Nvidia users with non-light boost monitors. I know for a monitor to do it, it has to have a strobing back-light. Thank you though...I will check it out... Probably at blur busters?

    Oh, it probably allows AMD cards to work on Nvidia LightBoost monitors....ahhhhh, nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PedantOne View Post
    GPU clocks?

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    Aw! 8 and 6 pin power? No go for my system then.

    Guess I'll have to look at the 280's, otherwise I might pick up a 7xxx series card as cheap as possible.

    Still interested in TDP information though.

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    This is good that the 290 is 512 bits too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3 View Post
    Aw! 8 and 6 pin power? No go for my system then.

    Guess I'll have to look at the 280's, otherwise I might pick up a 7xxx series card as cheap as possible.

    Still interested in TDP information though.
    AFAIK you can run any 8 pin power card with a 6 pin, just limited overclocking. Those two extra pins are only ground wires, so it isn't like they actually provide power, and many power supplies just tie those two back into the 6 pin wires anyway. My 7950 has 8 and 6, but my PSU only has two 6 pin and I'm still overclocked (just maybe not as far as I could with the last 2 pins).
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    Quote Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3 View Post
    Aw! 8 and 6 pin power? No go for my system then.

    Guess I'll have to look at the 280's, otherwise I might pick up a 7xxx series card as cheap as possible.

    Still interested in TDP information though.
    I'd go for the 7xxx now rather than 280 later if I were you. Get a nice MSI Lightning it will still be cheaper than the 280 at launch, I bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    AFAIK you can run any 8 pin power card with a 6 pin, just limited overclocking. Those two extra pins are only ground wires, so it isn't like they actually provide power, and many power supplies just tie those two back into the 6 pin wires anyway. My 7950 has 8 and 6, but my PSU only has two 6 pin and I'm still overclocked (just maybe not as far as I could with the last 2 pins).
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitriman View Post
    I'd go for the 7xxx now rather than 280 later if I were you. Get a nice MSI Lightning it will still be cheaper than the 280 at launch, I bet.
    I don't over clock anymore, especially not with the system in my signature.
    It also runs the power through the logic/motherboard, and people have recorded that the 7970 does draw extra power through the 8 pin. Despite the two ports only rated for 225w.



    I'm super tempted by current 7xxx cards, although I think I'll wait just a little bit longer for TDP ratings on the 290's, and 280's. If they're close to 225W, I'll certainly get one and an 6-8pin adapter, if the drivers are also there for me.

    I do wonder how much of a difference the 7xxx and 280's will be though.
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    you allways got 8pin connectors in the box with the gpu, you just wired them to 2 "Ide" standard 4pin ( like for the fan and other ) from your PSU. Should be the same with the 290.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanek View Post
    you allways got 8pin connectors in the box with the gpu, you just wired them to 2 "Ide" standard 4pin ( like for the fan and other ) from your PSU. Should be the same with the 290.
    The cables go through my logic/motherboard, not the PSU. Only rated to supply a max of 225w through the cables. Some folks use a 6-8 pin adaptor, some have success, some have issues, few end up with a dead system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3 View Post
    The cables go through my logic/motherboard, not the PSU. Only rated to supply a max of 225w through the cables. Some folks use a 6-8 pin adaptor, some have success, some have issues, few end up with a dead system.
    What capacity is your power supply? If it is at least 550W and of good quality, you will be ok for even the 290X I believe. You do realize the pin connectors is the least of your concerns, because almost every high end Radeon comes with a Molex to 8 pin adapter?

    EDIT: I saw your comments on the adapter, I had no problems with it, as long as you got a good power supply.
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