Vishera 5Ghz FX-9000/8770

[Ace123]

Looks like system integrator Maingear will feature this processor on their "shift" platform according to the ad on this site
http://jsksokuhou.com/2013/06/amd-an...-9590-fx-9370/
I wonder if they would have any information on pricing

[Andi64]

I have seen FX chips run for 36+hrs of stress test with the core at 80c(board saying over 100c), even on intel, where a p4/p-d can run at over 100c for years on end, I dont like seeing over 60c.

the higher your temps are, the more likely you will suffer thermal degradation, yes even on intel, one good example of this is the 8800gt from nVidia, those cards where rated for over 112c, I saw many that cooked themselves stock cooler even with the fan software locked at 100%.....(cards not overclocked)

I still cringe seeing stock temps at 70c or higher....to me thats crazy, specially when the sandybridge didnt have that issue.

As I said before, I don't know about BD nor PD, so can't comment on that.

What I said is that your comparison of temperatures doesn't make any sense.

Any Opteron s939, or Athlon64, would simple fail at 70?C. In that case, I completely agree that I don't like my CPU temps beyond 60?C. Similar case with Phenom II. Obviously when running -out of spec-.

Try to run any Intel CPU at 55-60?C full load while being overclocked. NOT gonna happen. So I guess you'll run a 3770K at 4000Mhz max. because you don't like to see the sensor hitting more than 60?C....

[Sparky]

My 2600k is running at 66C right now at full load. It is rather warm in the room right now, but I'm sure my radiator needs cleaned again also.

My 955BE would hit near 60C sometimes. Never had stability issues with that.

I prefer to keep under 60C, more like 50C if possible (and cooler the better) but I'm also not going to make my PC louder to do it

[tbone8ty]

Where is this chips official review so we can actually have something to discuss?

[zir_blazer]

Any Opteron s939, or Athlon64, would simple fail at 70?C. In that case, I completely agree that I don't like my CPU temps beyond 60?C. Similar case with Phenom II. Obviously when running -out of spec-.

Meet my Venice. Temperature tolerance is higher the lower the Frequency is - sometimes in a impressive way.
The Motherboard had bad caps issues. They got replaced but didn't fixed the issue. I recall hearing of a few Athlons 64 of that era that also were overheating for no reason. I even delidded it. Still didn't figured out what the hell causes it.

Where is this chips official review so we can actually have something to discuss?

Do you needed a Review to know how much faster the Core i7 2700K was over the 2600K? Just raise the multiplier.

[DefStar]

I'm pretty sure Tbone... is curious as to the binning process (i.e. how well they overclock, thermal, voltage, etc...), obviously a 5 GHZ Vishera is going to score the same in every bench as every other 5GHZ Vishera.

[zir_blazer]

I'm pretty sure Tbone... is curious as to the binning process (i.e. how well they overclock, thermal, voltage, etc...), obviously a 5 GHZ Vishera is going to score the same in every bench as every other 5GHZ Vishera.

Believe it or not, these are accounted for, too. This factory overclocked Processor had a Thread two months ago, when rumors started to leak about it. The Stilt throwed some numbers about it, here and here. If its the same die, its other properties should be around the same that what you can find in a current FX 83xx that can do 5 GHz on air, so if you have such a sample, you could have a very accurate picture of what you can expect from this one. Basically, there are already out very accurate speculations values. They need to be verified on a retail sample, but for as long as it is the same Vishera we already know, it shouldn't bring surprises.
I suppose that if AMD had at hand a new Vishera revision, there would be errata PDFs somewhere including them. However, they aren't going to roll down a new Revision JUST for boutique models. If that was the case, it would sooner or later scale down to the entire FX range.

[stangracin3]

A new revision would make some sense though. I mean remember the C2->C3 transition for Phenom II and how much better the chips clocked?
As was said before this could be piledriver 2.0 and AMD are keeping it tight lipped to continue selling the 8320 and 8350 to get rid of them.

[Ace123]

we know due to the addition of turbocore 3.0, the processor has been changed. The extent of the tuning is the question. I dont believe these are just cut out of the same silicone as the vishera. I would wager we are looking at specifically designed silicone for this part.

[Andi64]

Meet my Venice. Temperature tolerance is higher the lower the Frequency is - sometimes in a impressive way.

That is exactly what I'm saying. When you hit the maximum frequency of a given architecture with air cooling (3.0Ghz for s939, ~3.7Ghz for the first Phenom II) high temperature becomes a bigger problem. I'm sure they could run at 100?C stock, but heavily overclocked more than 60?C sustained will have stability issues. Anyway, I think I've failed to make my point about comparing temperatures of completely different architectures.

I also try, as AzureSky said, to stay below a given limit. For me, on the 939, and Phenom II era, was below 60?C an below 70?C respectively. Now, with my 2600K, and my 3820, below 80?C. Why? Because I understand they don't measure the temperature the same way. For gods sake, I recall AMD CPUs that reported idle temps below the ambient temp.... I try to maintain a low DELTA, instead of looking at absolute values that doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, this is way off-topic...

[Ace123]

If I had to guess... Id say it comes with its own cooler, although everything I read speaks against it, but everything else I read also quotes prices from pcsuperstore whom I've never even heard of before this.... Anyways Here is a picture from E3 of the 9590 running a demo of Eyefinity at E3

[madcho]

impressiv

[Ace123]

Well it has to be a revision change, I think that goes without saying because they changed a feature

[tajoh111]

If this thing was a new stepping and a new revision. This would be a super bone head move to make it build partner first and make it available to everyone else later. This would mean higher clocked chips are in mass production and available.

AMD needs new products at the mid-range to high end to challenge Intels ASAP. Holding back faster processors doesn't make sense because their older lineup isn't selling, their shrinking CPU revenue and marketshare are a reflection of this.

AMD needs new products ASAP and them holding back faster processors for the mass market would be a dumb move at this point. Their products are in dire need of a refresh, especially after the release of haswell. Haswell is going to kill sales of their high end even further.

Selling thousands of these at a decent profit margins is alot better then selling dozens of these at very high profit margins.

[Ace123]

If this thing was a new stepping and a new revision. This would be a super bone head move to make it build partner first and make it available to everyone else later. This would mean higher clocked chips are in mass production and available.

AMD needs new products at the mid-range to high end to challenge Intels ASAP. Holding back faster processors doesn't make sense because their older lineup isn't selling, their shrinking CPU revenue and marketshare are a reflection of this.

AMD needs new products ASAP and them holding back faster processors for the mass market would be a dumb move at this point. Their products are in dire need of a refresh, especially after the release of haswell. Haswell is going to kill sales of their high end even further.

Selling thousands of these at a decent profit margins is alot better then selling dozens of these at very high profit margins.

With a TDP of 220w amd has alot of liability on their hands. Consider 80% of the am3 boards out there incapable of running this processor. Amd may feel that the only way to safely bring it to market at first is threw system integrators so they can can specify the system requirements for the processor. They may feel it would be alot more damaging to release a processor retail that nobody can run and at this point only gigabyte has pledged support. This creates an issue that most users would have to purchase a board, and processor right before the launch of a new platform. It's a quandary to me.

[tajoh111]

With a TDP of 220w amd has alot of liability on their hands. Consider 80% of the am3 boards out there incapable of running this processor. Amd may feel that the only way to safely bring it to market at first is threw system integrators so they can can specify the system requirements for the processor. They may feel it would be alot more damaging to release a processor retail that nobody can run and at this point only gigabyte has pledged support. This creates an issue that most users would have to purchase a board, and processor right before the launch of a new platform. It's a quandary to me.

Revisions and new stepping typically allow higher clocks while not increasing power consumption. Even a refresh of slightly higher power consumption but 200 mhz higher overall than its current would help AMD right now. New SKU drive sales(hence the need for rebrands) and they are especially needed when competitors release new products.

AMD would be better off refreshing its current lineup with a new revision, then spending its energy on this fx 9590. A fx 8500 with a 4.2ghz clock and a 4.5ghz turbo would do pretty well for 200 dollars. Even if the power consumption was tad higher than fx 8350.

[Tomasis]

Steamroller will come.

Faster cpu will come.

Amd has to do best they can.

Some people need to stop whine.

Fab doesnt got faster by whining.

[informal]

Fab doesnt got faster by whining.

That is a good quote. Very true
Now we should sit back and wait for someone to actually test one of these chips. See what's all this fuss about :P

[BenchZowner]

With a TDP of 220w amd has alot of liability on their hands. Consider 80% of the am3 boards out there incapable of running this processor. Amd may feel that the only way to safely bring it to market at first is threw system integrators so they can can specify the system requirements for the processor. They may feel it would be alot more damaging to release a processor retail that nobody can run and at this point only gigabyte has pledged support. This creates an issue that most users would have to purchase a board, and processor right before the launch of a new platform. It's a quandary to me.

There are other boards out there that support the processor easily ( such as the Crosshair V Formula & Formula-Z for example ).

[tajoh111]

citation needed

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._sales_plummet

38% drop in CPU division revenue year over year is a pretty good indication of this. This was well below Intels drop year over year which was 12 percent due to the shrinking market.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...-Share-Numbers

AMD lost 5 percent market share in a year. Which consider the small pie to begin with is pretty huge.

As i said revenue and marketshare are pretty indicative that AMD CPU products are not selling and they need a refresh to jump start sales. Haswell going to send the numbers even lower.

[cdawall]

I still don't understand why anyone cares if AMD sells this at high TDP and high clocks. They have the CPU's sitting there and can get more money out of them so why not? Higher profits for AMD aren't a bad thing on any side of the map. Better processors from AMD normally means better processors from Intel not this 5-7% BS we have had lately. AMD is being smart taking over some other markets name means alot.

[Greg83]

there is a reason for the less slumping in sales on intel side.
Servers have a market size. IT's to keep their IT budget will spend as much on the most expensive product , no matter what it is, to keep their jobs existing inside the big corperations and budgets largest as possible. for the next year to be justifyable.
Even thought not necessary every year. but in the years it was necessary it was near impossible to justify w/o doing it each and every year.
A catch 22.

Not as much of that market on the amd side. but all it took was 10 giant coperations doing it on the intel side to create those sales.

[Chickenfeed]

Sales have slumped all around simply due to tablets and smart phones. As long as ARM has their grip on things there, it will continue to do so. A tablet is plenty adequate for mainy users now so desktops and laptops have became less attractive.

Any info when these should be showing up in boutique systems or otherwise?

[AzureSky]

sorry I was wrong, AMD are worthless, those of us who own AMD are really misguided in keeping let alone upgrading such horrible systems, our best bet would be to can the AMD garbage till we can afford to buy an intel/nvidia combo, even if its low end i3 and 550 videocard, it would still be better in every way that matters.

[tbone8ty]

http://www.techpowerup.com/186340/gi...ature-set.html


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