AMD's Andrew Feldman admits that Bulldozer was a failure

[MadDias]

The last sentence made me chuckle!

me too...
just because amd has a development center in a former socialist state (east germany, Dresden) leads u to the conclusion that it follows socialist ideas? or is it that intel had to pay for it?s contracts it had with consumer markets in europe, not allowing them to sell amd hardware, that makes u think amd is socialist? all i see is intel being the socialist dictator here.
what?s wrong with multicultural companies? u know that almost 100% of the tech ur using is made in asia? u want good old made in america crap?
sorry, but i?m the german here and i?m somewhat uncomfortable with patriotic ideas.

amd isn?t able to play the underdog? core2 is the only thing that put intel where it is now. u may think it was "shearing fat" or whatever u mean, but all in all it was one good idea that helped them to become the topdog again.
i guess u will see many products in low-/midrange with jaguar cores. since this seems to be something intel can?t deliver. even though microsoft demoed their new xbox games on an intel platform on e3, it?s still amd that produces the chips for the xbox one. that means low end hardware will be able to deliver enough performance for customers, that would normally have to buy expensive highend hardware.
so we?re right at that point, where u see the strength in being an underdog.

[Tomasis]

yeah in general AMD is much better designing new architectures and such stuffs. That of being underdog pushes your limit on things that are possible to fix as design, software.

Only one problem they cannot compete with Intel is ability produce anything with advanced technology that requires lots of investments. TMSC, GLO lags behind hopelessly. You dont have to wonder why P4 were selling loads despite its performance. Brand name, marketing is playing big role there.

I dont need to add that softwares were and are optimized around Intel cpus. If they support new instructions, then they get faster after time being while AMD just takes a chance to work out in Linux/server environment there softwares are constantly compiled.

That's life of being underdog and for that reason I support them, not having the most shinny or best stuffs. That's true socialistic spirit, haha.

[AzureSky]

ROFL at the idiot who said intel was cutting the fat.....

I have friends who work for intel(portland area near where i live), they and family of theirs have worked there for decades now, core2 was not a new design.

core2 is Intel going back to the p6 design (pentium pro/p3) and updating it, it was not a magic bullet, it was just them abandoning a bad idea that only went
into production because somebody in management found out one of their cpu design research teams had a working x86 cpu that was running at high clocks
and they decided high clocks sell....

the reason amd didnt take more market share: intel blackmailed and bribed companies to not sell AMD based systems.....if you know your history you know whats a big part of why intel paid AMD a boatload of money to make it go away....

[mockingbird]

core2 is Intel going back to the p6 design (pentium pro/p3) and updating it, it was not a magic bullet

Intel kept the architecture for notebooks to some extent. In any case, I'm not here to defend Intel, only to mock AMD's unbelievably hilarious incompetence over they years.

the reason amd didnt take more market share: intel blackmailed and bribed companies to not sell AMD based systems.....if you know your history you know whats a big part of why intel paid AMD a boatload of money to make it go away....

Intel only started doing this after Core2. Point being that AMD completely squandered every opportunity they've ever had to surpass Intel. By the time Core2 was around, there was a good year that AMD had absolutely NOTHING to compete against it in the mobile market, just at the time when Notebook sales were significantly surpassing desktop sales.

Coupled with the chipset problems they've never been able to completely resolve, and the fact that there is still no unified driver architecture for certain platforms (FM1/FM2 and legacy mobile chipsets).

[Tomasis]

as usual the point is missed when it is involved manufacturing :roll eyes up:

[[XC] Oj101]

Intel only started doing this after Core2.

I believe it was from May 2001 till January 2006, it may have been an even longer time. They only got busted after Core 2.