AMD Jaguar Temash A6-1450 Performance (Acer Aspire V5)

[vardirox]

AMD A6-1450 based on Jaguar technology is priced like an Intel Atom but performs much better than
Atoms and looks like it is able to reach in many areas to the level of Ivy Bridge i3 mobile (approx $200 CPU)!

http://www.umpcportal.com/2013/05/am...cer-aspire-v5/

[zanzabar]

all power to the anything but BD. lets hope there is a desktop one with 8 cores that overclocks.

[ajaidev]

That is pretty good Intel will respond with celeron/HM70 that is the plan for such threats but its a far cry from atoms. Reallly good for AMD, mobile space ideas can be used very effectively on desktops.

[blindbox]

That is pretty good Intel will respond with celeron/HM70 that is the plan for such threats but its a far cry from atoms. Reallly good for AMD, mobile space ideas can be used very effectively on desktops.

Mobile space ideas such as? The CPU Single thread benchmark still indicates the SB core i3 slapping AMD around. Unfortunately since all I play is minecraft, I wish for more single-threaded performance. Of course, I got no clue how good this chip is if compared with the Atom. Honestly, laptops in that range is never in my consideration. I had the displeasure of playing on a recent Atom last time. Big nightmare.

[kl0012]

That is pretty good Intel will respond with celeron/HM70 that is the plan for such threats but its a far cry from atoms. Reallly good for AMD, mobile space ideas can be used very effectively on desktops.

Intel will respond with Bay Trail based Atoms with similar CPU performance. GPU performance would be probably lower but ~3W TDP will allow fanless tablet/netbook design versus 8-9W active cooling design with Temash.

[Hornet331]

Yeah pretty much bay trail is scheduled for Q4, but for now AMD has the advantage. But then again how many designs there really will be, they had time advantage with bobcat and it didn't really took off.
Mainly because people dont buy cheap notebooks anymore, but rather spent the same amount of money on a tablet.

[behrouz]

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/mid_range_cpus.html#

Intel Core i7-2617M @ 1.50GHz = 2903
Intel Core i7-2610UE @ 1.50GHz = 2454
Intel Core i5-2537M @ 1.40GHz = 2200
Intel Core i3-2375M @ 1.50GHz = 1943
Intel Core i7 U 660 @ 1.33GHz = 1893
Intel Core i3-2377M @ 1.50GHz = 1854
AMD A6-1450 APU = 1841

Finally AMD reached Red Line !! among all AMD CPUs, this CPU has higher score at low Frequency.

Edit :

All tests run in High-Performance mode and CPU speed checked: 1.39Ghz.

if you look at bottom of page : http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8...?id=8475324883
it says :
CPU Measured Speed = 998 MHz

[Kallenator]

Notebookcheck delivers like a hammer, loads of juicy information!

Im Test: AMD A6-1450 APU "Temash"
Translated Ger-Eng

Cinebench R11.5

CPU Multi 64Bit
A6-1450, Radeon HD 8280G - 1.09 Points Running at 1-1.1Ghz, notebookcheck mentions that the turbo-mode only enabled 1.4Ghz under single threaded use
E2-1800, Radeon HD 7470M - 0.64 Points
A6-4455M, Radeon HD 7550M - 0.85 Points
A10-4600M, Radeon HD 7660G - 2.00 Points
i3-3217U, HD Graphics 4000 - 1.78 Points
i3-2367M, HD Graphics 3000 - 1.34 Points
i7-2630QM, HD Graphics 3000 - 4.7 Points

CPU Single 64Bit
A6-1450, Radeon HD 8280G - 0.33 Points Running at 1.4Ghz
E2-1800, Radeon HD 7470M - 0.33 Points
A6-4455M, Radeon HD 7550M - 0.63 Points
A10-4600M, Radeon HD 7660G - 0.70 Points
i3-3217U, HD Graphics 4000 - 0.76 Points
i3-2367M, HD Graphics 3000 - 0.56 Points
i7-2630QM, HD Graphics 3000 - ? Points

AMD A6-1450 8-15W TDP(Information not yet released) 28nm 4c 1.4Ghz
AMD E2-1800 18W TDP 40nm 2c 1.7Ghz
AMD A6-4455M 17W TDP 32nm 2c 2.1Ghz
AMD A10-4600M 35W TDP 32nm 4c 2.3Ghz
Intel i3-3217U 17W TDP 22nm 2c+HT 1.8Ghz
Intel i3-2367M 17W TDP 32nm 2c+HT 1.4Ghz
Intel i7-2630QM 45W TDP 32nm 4c+HT 2Ghz

[Hornet331]

Single thread performance is still pretty weak and only a slight improvement over bobcat and only thanks to being a quad core it can gain the lead over the E2 in MT. Then again the scaling for bobcat with 2 cores is better then with 4 cores in jaguar.
The real good thing here is the power consumption (TDP) but thats to be expected from the smaller node, but thats still a massive plus in my book. Wonder how good it scales with higher frequency. If they can get it to 1.8-2ghz on a quadcore with ~30W (inc gpu) it might give the normal pentium/i3s (mobile) a run for its money.

[informal]

IPC is definitely decently improved, even more than K8->K10 jump achieved in C11.5

CPU Single 64Bit
A6-1450, Radeon HD 8280G - 0.33 Points
E2-1800, Radeon HD 7470M - 0.33 Points

ST test, 1450 runs at 1.4Ghz. Adjust for clock on Temash : 1.7Ghz/1.4Ghz=1.2. 20% higher IPC in this test is better than K8->K10 jump(~10%).
In vector simd workloads Jaguar has 2x higher throughput per core than Bobcat.

[zir_blazer]

Does anyone have the feel that history will repeat itself? Bulldozer is for AMD comparable to what NetBurst was for Intel, plus they have a backup mobile architecture that shows promise, as Brazos/Jaguar is analogous to Banias/Dothan. It wouldn't be surprised if in a generation or two, Jaguar could scale to Desktop/Server.
Even if Bulldozer derivates can give competitive price/performance against Ivy Bridge/Haswell, power consumption these days DOES matter, and Bulldozer sucks in that regard.

[zanzabar]

Does anyone have the feel that history will repeat itself? Bulldozer is for AMD comparable to what NetBurst was for Intel, plus they have a backup mobile architecture that shows promise, as Brazos/Jaguar is analogous to Banias/Dothan. It wouldn't be surprised if in a generation or two, Jaguar could scale to Desktop/Server.
Even if Bulldozer derivates can give competitive price/performance against Ivy Bridge/Haswell, power consumption these days DOES matter, and Bulldozer sucks in that regard.

we do know that the ps4 will be jaguar, and that they have chips with 8 jaguar cores. i could not see the BD living much longer.

[informal]

SR and EX cores will be much much far ahead of anything Jaguar derived when it comes to performance. There is no chance AMD will be completely abandoning SR/EX in favor of Jaguar(+).

[Kallenator]

Given AMD's dabble in ARM I am somewhat hoping they will release some kind of hybrid for desktop use.

Zir_blazer:

Let's hope you are onto something there, so Intel can get some more competition.
I don't think power consumption matters as much, if a product that uses more power also has higher performance even if percentage of power needed for that performance exceeds it in a non-linear way.

[dartaz]

AMD A6-1450 based on Jaguar technology is priced like an Intel Atom but performs much better than
Atoms and looks like it is able to reach in many areas to the level of Ivy Bridge i3 mobile (approx $200 CPU)!

http://www.umpcportal.com/2013/05/am...cer-aspire-v5/

No, i3 3217U completely blows it out of water in CPU benchmarks.
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Im-Test...h.92206.0.html


i3 also have better GPU performance. When 15w Haswell comes out the gap is going to be even bigger.

[Hornet331]

to be fair low power i3 is a completely different price segment, it make more sense to compare it with atom or the cheap ivy based celerons/pentiums

[kl0012]

to be fair low power i3 is a completely different price segment, it make more sense to compare it with atom or the cheap ivy based celerons/pentiums

At rumored price point of the subject ($450) it is actually comparable to i3:

Acer Aspire V5-571-6806 (i5-3317U) - $483
Acer Aspire V5-171-6675 (i3-2377M) - $440
Acer Aspire V5-431-2675 (Celeron 1007U) - $410
Acer Aspire V5-131-2449 (Celeron 847) - $330

Prices are from Amazon & B&H.

[sergiojr]

At rumored price point of the subject ($450) it is actually comparable to i3:

None of them have touchscreen.

[Kallenator]

None of them have touchscreen.

[Hans de Vries]

At rumored price point of the subject ($450) it is actually comparable to i3:

Acer Aspire V5-571-6806 (i5-3317U) - $483

Prices are from Amazon & B&H.

The $450,= for the Acer Aspire V5 is Acer's price I assume,

Just looking at your first system:

Acer's own list price for the Acer Aspire V5-571-6806 (i5-3317U) is $699

http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NX.M1JAA.011

which is $250 more expensive......


Hans

[Hans de Vries]

No, i3 3217U completely blows it out of water in CPU benchmarks.
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Im-Test...h.92206.0.html


i3 also have better GPU performance. When 15w Haswell comes out the gap is going to be even bigger.

The AMD A6-1450 is running at 1.0 GHz with a TDP of 5,9 Watt

The i3_3217U is running at 1.8 GHz with a TDP of 17 Watt (3 times higher)
and a tray list price of $225 (4+ times higher)


http://ark.intel.com/products/65697/

Hans

[kl0012]

None of them have touchscreen.

In fact V5-171-6675 does have touch screen.

[kl0012]

Just looking at your first system:

The prices are from Amazon.
But any way, looking at the second system:

http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/...s/NX.M3AAA.005

$450 for i3-2377M based notebook with touch screen.

Exactly my point about "comparison with i3".

[kl0012]

The AMD A6-1450 is running at 1.0 GHz with a TDP of 5,9 Watt

This is another point to compare.

I would like to see actual battery life tests, not TDP comparison.

[KiSUAN]

The prices are from Amazon.
But any way, looking at the second system:

http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/...s/NX.M3AAA.005

$450 for i3-2377M based notebook with touch screen.

Exactly my point about "comparison with i3".

Is not http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/...t/NX.M3AAA.005

Windows 8 - 64-bit version - 2nd Generation Intel? Core? i3-2377M processor (1.50GHz) - 4GB DDR3 memory - 500GB hard drive - 11.6" HD widescreen CineCrystal? LCD display (1366 x 768) - Intel? HD Graphics 3000 - Mobile Intel? HM77 Express chipset - Dolby? Advanced Audio? v2 audio - webcam - multi-gesture touchpad - Wi-Fi - Gigabit LAN - Bluetooth? - HDMI? - USB 3.0 - card reader - 5-hour battery - 1-year limited warranty. Color: Silky Silver

This is the description for a multi-touch notebook from Acer http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/...t/NX.M3UAA.006

Windows 8 - 64-bit version - 3rd generation Intel? Core? i5-3337U processor (1.8GHz/2.7GHz w/ Turbo Boost) - 4GB DDR3 memory - 500GB hard drive - 14" HD widescreen CineCrystal? multi-touch LED-backlit display (1366 x 768) - Intel? HD Graphics 4000 - Mobile Intel? HM77 Express chipset - DVD?RW DL - Dolby? Advanced Audio? v2 enhancement - webcam - multi-gesture touchpad - Wi-Fi - Bluetooth? 4.0 - HDMI? - USB 3.0 - card reader - 5-hour battery - 1-year limited warranty. Color: Silky Silver

By the way, so you know in the future, Acer models with touch screen have a P at the ending of the series number, like the one I linked for you and quoted V5-471P

Just as a bonus, cheapest Acer V5 (15") Intel (Pentium? 987) based is http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/...books/aspirev5 for 630, and smallest (14") Intel based with Core i3 (3227U) is http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/...t/NX.M3UAA.004 for 700.